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If someone can salvage it and knows what they are doing they will end up with a nice car for not much money.
normally any water damage means cat b - as in the thing has to be crushed once parts are removed. This is because of the view that internal things that you cant see may be screwed up
It's pretty crap that the X1 can't manage a foot of water but Llechwedd Maur should warn potential guests about the ford because it can get a lot deeper than that.
https://holidaycambriancoast.co.uk/llechwedd-mawr/
Screwed
The engineer gave me a call the other day. His recommendation is total loss or repair bill of approx £20k 🙁
Apparently water had got every where and it would require pretty much everything new ie engine, starter motor, wiring looms, exhaust system etc etc. No water in the cabin though.
If someone can salvage it and knows what they are doing they will end up with a nice car for not much money.
Apparently though it will take 3 weeks for the engineer to get a slot with the insurance company to inform them of their findings…
I'm no mechanic but I'd be curious how getting an exhaust wet means it needs replacing, ditto wiring. It's not like it spent 3 days in the sea, it briefly went through a ford!
Water in the cat/DPF/SCR system could easily borked it.
See if Tavarish wants to buy it 😂
Depending on the category (freshwater is mailes better than seawater or sewerage) then someone will indeed most likely rebuild it. Find a smashed up one with the same engine and just swap them over.
Apparently though it will take 3 weeks for the engineer to get a slot with the insurance company to inform them of their findings…
That's pretty normal at the moment. Took me 3 weeks to get an assessment slot after getting rear-ended on March 1st, 2 weeks for the assessment to make it's way to the insurers and I'm having to wait until June to get it fixed!
It’s pretty crap that the X1 can’t manage a foot of water but Llechwedd Maur should warn potential guests about the ford because it can get a lot deeper than that.
The owner was amazing, and to be fair he does offer you use of his 4x4 for a small fee. On the first day he did drive up with us and stop at the streams.
This was not in any way the owners responsibility etc, purely my own stupid mistake and I wouldnt want it to stop people staying there if they have suitable vehicles etc
ditto wiring.
Water in the loom could cause ongoing problems for years and replacing looms is both difficult and expensive. BIL had to have part of the loom replaced in his Range Rover after mice had a go at it - it was never right afterwards and he got rid within a couple of months.
Just googled the house - looks like an epic spot... Any decent riding from the doorstep?
Water in the loom could cause ongoing problems for years and replacing looms is both difficult and expensive. BIL had to have part of the loom replaced in his Range Rover after mice had a go at it – it was never right afterwards and he got rid within a couple of months.
Mate had similar with his Disco Sport and after much debate the insurance company wrote it off and paid up.
looks like an epic spot… Any decent riding from the doorstep?
Yes an amazing place to stay. Re riding Yes and no - there are others on here who know the area better than myself who would be able to comment better. There are a number of paths and BW's around the house. But because it is so remote they do not exist and are just bogs. We walked up all the hills directly around the house and loved it but it is quite hard work.
Due to the weather and incident I didnt end up doing as much riding as I would have liked. Definitely looked like there would be some stunning and good remote off piste XC in the area, Strava Heat map does appear to show the stuff that was more rideable, certainly dont look at a map and imagine that as it says its a footpath or BW it will be in existence.
We experienced just about every possible weather going whilst we were there. 70-80mph winds, snow, thunderstorms, horizontal rain. the house is well built to withstand the weather and is very high standard for the location.
We would love to go back again in the middle of summer.
I sampled the streams running into the reservoir every month for a couple of years. The runoff from the newly ploughed and planted forestry in Funkydunk's photo had an autosampler on it that required weeky maintainance. On one occasion I walked for a few hours back to a phone box when I judged the snowy hill back too dangerous to drive down (it was a sampling loop I couldn't drive back up and it was too slippy to continue down) - the van sat there for 10 days till the weather improved. Most of the year the weather is what you'd expect at that altitude in Wales, wild. A few weeks of the year it was fabulous being up there. The 2006 TransWales route passed nearby - a fairly dismal affair along the stoney tracks then a bog.
Most of the riding is on forestry tracks and farm tracks, that means gravel double track. I wouldn't go back to ride MTB. As soon as you get of the tracks progress requires masses of energy and you end up walking as soon as the ground rises. Gravel fans would love it.
I used to ride the rally special stages in the area on my touring bike to check out tightening bends - pace notes weren't allowed so I just added a few symbols to OS maps.
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Llechwedd Maur ! Never had any trouble in the ford with my Welsh Water Marina van.
That must have been a while ago, they were still using Maestro vans when I started
I started in 1982 with a Marina van which was followed by an Ital van, they were great, handling on the loose was excellent. An Astra van followed which spoiled the fun. An old six-cylinder Land Rover was assigned to me for the acid water project which was properly crap in every respect, it went no further than the Ital - I tried and had to drive in a load of stakes and use the winch to get it back to harder ground. After that I got promoted so I got a car allowance and used my own cars, often the rally cars but sometimes my roofless autotest Mini special. Best of the lot on the road Funkyduck got stuck on was the Fiat 131 Mirafiori.
Took me 3 weeks to get an assessment slot after getting rear-ended
@reluctantjumper after being rear ended recently:
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BIL had to have part of the loom replaced in his Range Rover after mice had a go at it – it was never right afterwards and he got rid within a couple of months.
Mate had similar with his Disco Sport and after much debate the insurance company wrote it off and paid up.
Used to argue endlessly with our German then American paymasters about the need for armoured loom sections and full IP rated connectors for the LR projects.
Needless to say, i always lost.
LR specific tests usually failed, but were signed off anyway.
Saying that, they were significantly more robust than the stuff Ford were using.
So everything has now been settled and the car has gone to the grave yard in the sky, Although I am sure someone has made a fair amount of cash on the salvage !
This is the offending stream/river
So not such a funky dunk after all?
FunkyDunc
Free MemberSo everything has now been settled and the car has gone to the grave yard in the sky, Although I am sure someone has made a fair amount of cash on the salvage !
This is the offending stream/river
What category was it deemed?
I'll almost certainly be Cat N, won't it?
Daffy
Full MemberI’ll almost certainly be Cat N, won’t it?
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I'd have thought so, I was just curious after reading 5lab's post above where they say normally flood damage is a Cat B.
I think it's only Cat B if there's significant water entry into the cabin as it can affect seat belt pre-tensioners, etc.
This sounds like it's just typical BMW "my air inlet is as stupidly low/accessible as possible for water ingress" nonsense.
I'm very careful with my E46 for this reason as there's a huge inlet that's the full height of the bonnet vents and the front is already quite low by modern standards. Anything deeper than 20cm that can't be crossed without creating a bow wave would flood it.
Daffy
Full MemberI think it’s only Cat B if there’s significant water entry into the cabin as it can affect seat belt pre-tensioners, etc.
Exactly, and this is how it used to be when I worked in insurance many moons ago. However the Categories have changed since then so I wasn't sure.
I'm sure manufacturers put the intakes as low as possible to get more of them written off so they can sell more replacement cars... Can't think of any good reason not to have the intake at the highest point within the engine bay?
Can’t think of any good reason not to have the intake at the highest point within the engine bay?
I'm guessing you've never designed anything that goes in an engine bay?
Can’t think of any good reason not to have the intake at the highest point within the engine bay?
It helps warm up the intake air? Not very useful on a turbo charged car mind.
Can’t think of any good reason not to have the intake at the highest point within the engine bay?
Cool air fed into engine gives better performance than warm air.
I'm sure the extra 2hp makes all the difference on an X1 high performance track race car
Fwiw my 1.4L Seat had the air intake behind the front grille just below the level of the bonnet so I'm sure it's within the grasp of one of the world's largest car manufacturers
This was Lacock back in 2012 - this Beemer seemed to make it through ok, or at least didn’t die 100 meters down the road!
If you’re going to negotiate a flooded road, this is how to do it properly!
I’m sure the extra 2hp makes all the difference on an X1 high performance track race car
Fwiw my 1.4L Seat had the air intake behind the front grille just below the level of the bonnet so I’m sure it’s within the grasp of one of the world’s largest car manufacturers
Didn't like the sensible answer you got, did ya?
TBH, 2hp might make the difference if the equivalent Audi or Merc has 1hp less. Reckon it's a more believable reason rather than them sabotaging their own products on purpose as you suggested.
I’m sure the extra 2hp makes all the difference on an X1 high performance track race car
Might only be 2bhp in a 1.4l ibiza driving to the corner shop, or tanking it up and down the motorway (which might see 60 degrees under bonnet).
When you get the engine bay properly hot, hot, Like halfway up a southern european mountain pass with 35-40 degree ambient, the engine bay will be properly toasty, 140-150 can be reached, especially with turbo engines.
It'll take more like 15-20% power off the top, plus an even larger cut off the torque curve, needless to say 100 degree difference in intake air temp is massive. Even with intercoolers.
Probably one reason that 1.4l Ibizas have a 750-850 kilo limit for braked trailers and X1 have near enough 2 tonnes. Because it can maintain performance when it's getting hot.
There's really not much that can be moved around under the bonnet. Can't move stuff up, because you end up failing crash tests/pedestrian impact, can't move stuff down because radiators need clear airflow AND protection. Can't make them smaller because they're already generally fairly marginal on size.
There's a load more going on under there, but i've not got all day.
this Beemer seemed to make it through ok
What a shame 🙁
mert
Might only be 2bhp in a 1.4l ibiza driving to the corner shop, or tanking it up and down the motorway (which might see 60 degrees under bonnet).
When you get the engine bay properly hot, hot, Like halfway up a southern european mountain pass with 35-40 degree ambient, the engine bay will be properly toasty, 140-150 can be reached, especially with turbo engines.
It’ll take more like 15-20% power off the top, plus an even larger cut off the torque curve, needless to say 100 degree difference in intake air temp is massive. Even with intercoolers.Probably one reason that 1.4l Ibizas have a 750-850 kilo limit for braked trailers and X1 have near enough 2 tonnes. Because it can maintain performance when it’s getting hot.
I haven't personally seen an Ibiza, but most VAG cars don't take air from the engine bay, they have a cold air intake linked to the top of the grille.
In most cars the air filter is on the top, for service reasons - so to collect air from low down you actually need extra tubes to put the intake down low. So it must be a conscious decision?
Warm air does reduce power, but in a NA petrol engine I think it also improves economy since because you generate less power you are operating at a wider throttle..?? I remember on one old Fiesta (probably a late 90s model) the air intake before the filter went over a little heat exchanger thing that was sat on the top radiator pipe, this can only have been there to warm it up.
Of course, that BMW is completely different so even that would not explain it.
When you get the engine bay properly hot, hot, Like halfway up a southern european mountain pass with 35-40 degree ambient, the engine bay will be properly toasty, 140-150 can be reached, especially with turbo engines.
It’ll take more like 15-20% power off the top, plus an even larger cut off the torque curve, needless to say 100 degree difference in intake air temp is massive. Even with intercoolers.
Although taking air from the top of the engine bay seems to be a disadvantage at first sight, grabbing it from close to the surface of a black road that's been sitting in the sun all day must be worse?
The car will dry out and go again.
Whip the engine out, unplug and dry out every connector to check for moisture / corrosion.
Buy a rear ended cat s / b and swap engine and anything electric.
The insurance company will have get 2/3 of their money back at salvage auction for it.
Although taking air from the top of the engine bay seems to be a disadvantage at first sight, grabbing it from close to the surface of a black road that’s been sitting in the sun all day must be worse?
"Less bad" is a better way to describe it.
It can cause serious issues in very slow moving traffic and when people park cars next to things and leave the engine running to keep the AC on, recirculating hot air and, basically making it hotter.
I haven’t personally seen an Ibiza, but most VAG cars don’t take air from the engine bay, they have a cold air intake linked to the top of the grille.
No idea, i've only had two or three VAG group cars of my own. They were all gutless wonders all the time.
1.4l ibiza
Turbo or 16v?
Our 16v 1.4 (a trobbing 75bhp) is a fairly cool running engine and has high intake.
Our 1.4 TSI turbo thing (a perky 148bhp) does run hot, but not that hot, even at 1500m/30*c and steep Spanish Picos de Europa passes...also has high intake.
My Passat and the Merc both have air intakes above the radiator drawing air in from outside not the engine bay. The Passat had an odd sort of chamber which presumably was there to slow air down - the Merc does not, it just goes straight into a pipe and then onto the air box. That said, it's a wide pipe and a relatively small inlet, so perhaps that has the same effect.
What a shame 🙁
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