[Closed] Scottish independence- where do you stand?

I'm voting Yes and so is my wife 🙂

I'm [s]English[/s] British 8) , live in Scotland & voting no.

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wife is Scottish & voting no

Scottish and resident. undecided. probably.
My wife - English, and Scottish resident. Undecided/Don't know as well

Scottish and live in Scotland. Currently undecided/voting no.

scottish, live in edinburgh. Voting no.

Me - Dual Nationality - Indian and British, living in Scotland, likely no, but could be persuaded.
Wife - British (although being from Yorkshire, could be described as dual nationality as well) - definite no.

I'm a Kiwi, lived in Scotland 18 years (my dad was Orcadian).

I plan to draw a big willie on my voting paper, I think both sides are awful.

I vote [b]Yes.[/b]

Freedddoommm from bbbbuuurrreaucrats the disease ... prefer to choose own destiny ...

I live in GeordieLand (alien maggot by origin) but wouldn't mind joining the northern troops to sack southern cities.

I want to put them male folks to hard labour and enjoy with their women good time ...

😆

English, living in Wales, errr...

I'll get me coat.

It's a no from me.

I'm from the wrong side of the boarder & I have no problems either way, but if they want to be independent then surely they cant just cherry pick all of the best bits from a list of whats good & bad for Scotland & get away with it, can they?

enjoy with their women good time ...

Born in Scotland, live in Scotland, voting no.
Wife born in England, live in Scotland, voting no.

English, living in England.

I just don't see how the sums add up. Plus, the costs of implementing such a change would be truly epic. It would keep me in a job for many years, but find myself wondering why nobody has even sighted the costs of transition.

Scottish (not British), resident and will vote yes. The same goes for my wife.

English born and dwelling so no vote, but should i have the option i would vote YES.

Born in England, resident in Scotland for 20yrs. I'll be voting yes.

No from me (so far, I could still be convinced otherwise).

Scottish, but currently living in NE Englandshire.

Born in Wales so welsh, now living in england,so cant vote no.

but surely it should be a national uk vote not a small minority who seem to be brainwashed into thinking it will be good just for them.

I was about to suggest you edit that graham, but noticed you have.

English, living in England.

I'd vote yes if the option was available. Time for change. I'd also support Wales and NI doing their own thing too.

project - Member

Born in Wales so welsh, now living in england,[b][u]so cant vote no[/u][/b].

Double negative so count as yes. 😈

Um, I think you can only vote if you live in Scotland ? It will be taken from electoral register with all the kiddies added.

Seems fair to me.

Scottish and voting no

Englandish, live in England, I'd be a yes.

Voting yes.

I am Scottish,live in Scotland,will vote yes

Irish, living in England. Ireland should never have been part of the union in the first place and I'm glad some of my ancestors fought and for freedom from an oppressive, at crucial times uncaring, at all times unwelcome occupier; tens of thousands giving their lives in the process. I have always been and always will be a nationalist. So while I have no vote, nor would I want one and my gut feeling is that this would not be a good thing for Scotland, the groundswell of opinion is now too strong for there not to be a referendum. I hope it's a no vote but if it's a yes, then I would wish them well in their endeavour to work as an independent nation and support them in their decision.

Can I be allowed to piss myself laughing when in 20 years the Scots end up with the same shit as always but with different hated politicians in charge?

Scottish, live in NZ but likely will be back in Scotland by then. Voting No assuming i can vote.

Great in principle, bad idea in practice economically, politically and socially. 'A change' is not the basis of a sound reason to undo the union.

I'm English/British, and very bored with the whole thing. As I don't have a vote I wonder why it's even on the news down here.

I say go for it, you already hate us so you may as well hate us across a proper border!

Irish, English.

A politician is a politician means no change, empty promises which in turn evolve to broken promises.

molgrips - Member

Can I be allowed to piss myself laughing when in 20 years the Scots end up with the same shit as always but with different hated politicians in charge?

You may laugh but at least that is their shit and not being shite upon by someone else.

I think by then Salmon will evolve into a Cane Toad. No?

slowmart - Member

It seems the Spanish PM has stated that Scotlands entry into the EU is by no means certain as Scotland will require all 28 member states agreement. However Salmond suggests this is "inconceivable"

Sturgeon has stated that Scotland is an"integral" part of the EU. It seems she is using words without a comprehension of meaning.

The devil/bureaucrats in the details must not succeed.

What are they going to do? Put the people to hard labour and enjoy their women?

Spanish PM ... ya right ... they just want more handouts/feedings.

English, living in Spain - and against. I think it's a huge risk for Scotland, and will diminish both parties.

It does potentially affect me, rUK could lurch to the right and leave the EU, at which point I'd almost certainly end up taking Spanish nationality.

It seems the Spanish PM has stated that Scotlands entry into the EU is by no means certain as Scotland will require all 28 member states agreement. However Salmond suggests this is "inconceivable"

On the one hand, a nationalist Spanish PM with a veto fearful of encouraging catalan independence, and on the other hand the aspiring candidate for a small country on the northern edge of Europe...

Scottish, live in Scotland, probably voting yes.

('We' don't hate 'you' at all. I don't think 'we' even think of 'you' as a single homogeneous body. Far too simplistic. I'd just like a chance to shape our political landscape and - hopefully - our society to reflect a bit more accurately how most of the people who live in Scotland appear to feel about lots of important things. This gives us an opportunity to try.)

English living in England. If it's being done for the right reasons then go for it. If it's just a case of hating the English and wanting away from Westminster then tread carefully. Scotland want's self determination but can the country stand purely on it's own or will it just throw itself at the mercy of Brussels? If so how will it be better off?

Personally I'd rather they didn't. I like being British. I think that we are a good mix together. However if Scotland wants to go alone, then good luck, just don't let the door slam your arse on the way out. 😉

Sorry for my earlier post! Wrong thread…

No vote from me. The inherent problems in Scotland won't be solved by independence and I believe that we're stronger as part of the united kingdom. I have never felt belittled or forgotten about by Westminster.

Undecided/No

I'd vote yes if the option was available. Time for change. I'd also support Wales and NI doing their own thing too.

Count so far ...

[b]No = 14

Yes = 14

Don't know = 13[/b]

Talking about indecisiveness ... 🙄

English so can't vote but really hope it's a yes. Will be fun to watch the chaos that follows.

I work in (non Party) political circles in Scotland.

Both me and the Mrs will vote 'yes'.

We don't hate the English/UK. We've just seen a lot of examples of how democracy works best when practiced locally.

There are economic risks to a 'yes' vote. There are just as many significant economic risks from being 'remote controlled' from Westminster.

I have read extensively on both sides of the argument, and have made a decision.

We're both educated 'Weegies' (s****). Yesx2

5 of us in this house.

5 no votes.

All Scottish born. Live in Edinburgh

If I could vote (Englisher living in Englandshire), I'd vote no purely because it's to opposite to what Alex Salmond wants.

I am an Englishman living in Scotland and I will be voting no, so will my wife and I know that my in-laws will vote no as well.

Scottish living in Scotland voting yes
English wife almost certainly voting no.

As 2tyred says its not about hating the English its about doing what is right for this country. I would rather try to create a country that I can feel proud of and fail than just accept the status quo.

Born in Scotland of 50% Scottish stock. Got married in Scotland, buried my father in Scotland and mother lives in Scotland. Plan to move back when this job is over. But part grew up in Wales, lived the majority of my adult life in England, ex member of the British armed forces and 'sound' English......would have seriously struggled to know which nation to represent had I been a little bit better at my chosen sport and had a shot at the Commonwealth games but would have been gutted not to be able to wear a GB suit.

So predictably, as someone who feels 100% British first and foremost, I'd vote no. Given some previous in Scotland I do feel a bit aggrieved that my views won't be registered because of my postal address on the day.

My only other contribution is to comment on the 'alienation' from London and all it represents often expressed as a reason for independence. My experience in Scotland is based around the Highlands and Islands and curiously the exact same language is used from folk there about Edinburgh!

Scottish, living in Glasgow and voting YES
Hungarian wife will also vote yes.

Scotland needs to stand on its own two feet and be represented by a govermnent it votes for. Sometimes its better to vote your hopes than your fears

proper yarkshire .. born literally on ilkley moor.. PLEASE vote yes PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

the sooner we are rid of salmond and that awful woman the better the sooner the hoard of scots MPs from our parliament are slung out on thier ear the better

British (Scottish), currently in Kent but might be living back in Scotland before the vote. Would vote No.

Wouldnt vote yes as they will not state the definitive consequences before the vote.

I'd vote yes if I could but I'd also vote for the area inside the M25 becoming a city state free from all the hassle of having to suckle the Scots and so on...

Cumbrian, living in cumbria

Bint't builders yard this morning. got some posts and a roll of wire, yercan all f-off

I say go for it, you already hate us so you may as well hate us across a proper border!

Despite being a no vote I think it's really sad that some people seem to think this is the sole motivation for the Yes camp. 🙁

I wish I could make this clear. Voting either way in the referendum has nothing to do with hatred of England or English people.

Its not that you hate us (or not) more the idea that we are rather bored of being blamed for every ill to befall the Scottish Nation since the death of the first born.

Because no one in England blames anything on the government and everyone is super-happy here?

No, but it does seem that to some all 'English' are the same whether home county tories or North Eastern Labour men.
Its a rather boring thing to hear constantly that i am responsible for all that befalls Scotland which is why i want her Independence - so that she can make her own mistakes and carry her own can without that clown Salmond blaming it all on the evildoers South of the border!

British - Former English border lands dweller, now in Oz
Go for it good luck to them, if you really want it take it. Just take the share of debt and don't come back.

If I was north of the border my vote would be no though, from what is being thrown around I can't see it working well.

Scottish, living in Wales, I'd vote YES if I could. Time to arrange our own affairs be they good or bad away from Westminster.

I don't think you're voting on independence because you hate us, but as muddydwarf says it does get very noring hearing the same old shit time and time again. The quickest way to get independence would be to allow the english to vote.

Channel Islander, living in England, I would vote yes, would be more keen to move if there was a yes vote, and considering going up to help with campaigning for the yes campaign next year.

Personally, I'd prefer that everything North of Northampton was independent of the South East.

born in scotland, live in scotland, voting no

Count so far ...

[b]No = 27

Yes = 24

Don't know = 15[/b]

Close call ... 🙄

Had previously lived in Scotland for 25 years but English. My kids are Scottish, with the eldest 18 next year and she'll vote when the time comes.

IMO I think Alex Salmond is on a mission to be crowned in Scottish folklore as the man that rid Scotland of English/UK rule after centuries of 'suppression'.

It would be a real shame if Scotland were to leave...but when the oil runs out...will the whisky and tourism be enough to sustain free prescriptions for all and universities etc?

At least Scotland wouldn't be in the EU (as I believe they would have to apply separately) and pay stupid amounts of money to subsidise foreign farmers and the like. 😆

I'd hazard that a vote in England would be heavily pro-union, unlike the "You all ****ing hate us" STW demographic thinks.

"You only want independence because you all hate us": Boring
"Everything that ever went wrong for us is the fault of Westminster": Boring

Both arguments in the same thread: "Boring Squared"

The main reason I will vote for independence is for the chance to make something better. Two more reasons are to get a govt that reflects the views of people in Scotland and because I am fed up with hearing the same old drivel from Westminster politicians.Independence is only a step on the way.

From scotland and still live in scotland

Voting No unless the yes lot pull some actual facts out the hat smartish, and despite in increasingly searing hatred of the tories.

[b]Chewkw[/b] how do the scores look if you only count those who say they are eligible to vote?

[quote=bigjim ]From scotland and still live in scotland
Voting No unless the yes lot pull some actual facts out the hat smartish,
What facts do you think are still missing?
Currency?
EU?
Anything else?

English born and dwelling so no vote, but should i have the option i would vote YES.

The whole of Britain should get to vote, if that was the case I would vote to setting them loose.

its like a divorce only one lot has to decide

there is lots of legal precedent for this

Will you be boycotting these if it happens?

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The whole of Britain should get to vote, if that was the case I would vote to setting them loose.

Think about the possible extremes there though:

- Scotland votes massively in favour of leaving, but the rest of the UK votes to keep them against their will.

- Scotland votes massively in favour of staying in The Union, but the rest of the UK decides to turf them out.

Neither of those outcomes sound very palatable.

(By the way ,"Britain" is just England and Wales. Shouldn't the Northern Irish and... erm.. the Scots get a say? 😉 )

English living in Hong Kong, if I had a vote on it I would vote Yes.
Goodbye, take your part of the debt and close the door on the way out.

Ex-pat, so don't get to vote.

But if I did, I'd vote Yes.

GrahamS - Member

Chewkw how do the scores look if you only count those who say they are eligible to vote?

If they are eligible to vote but does not say which way they are voting then I score them as "Don't Know".

English living in Hong Kong, if I had a vote on it I would vote Yes. Goodbye, take your part of the debt and close the door on the way out.

Did you take your part of the debt with you when you moved to Hong Kong? 😉

English, living in Scotland. I will be eligible to vote, which if placed today would be no. Other half is Scottish and has said no. Her parents will probably be no too....

But it's early days and it is a big decision for the country I want to live my life in. My actual vote could be Yes, I want to see how the debate develops. It has only just started

Scottish, living in Scotland - voting yes. Partner is English, also voting yes. As are our parents etc.

We're semi-seriously considering emigrating if Scotland doesn't get independence.