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So before I start im %100 guilty as charged and the speed limit on the UKs motorways is 70 so only myself to blame...
Right now thats out of the way with I understand the police have 14 days in which to issue a letter of intent to prosecute any motoring offences ,but realistically do speeding fines normally come through within that time as everything theses days is digital ? Ive seen light and bus lane fines come through within 3 days in the traffic office before now ,
Story short 4:30pm only me as far as the eye can see M74 near Moffet (as im now aware a true hot spot for mr eciloP , cruise set at 79 10%+2mph mobile unit on bridge ..
Just waiting now for the loss of £100 and addition of 3 lovelies to my crisp clean licence ..
Nearly all car speedos over read, so you may be ok. If it does you can set the cruise a bit higher next time 😉
My Honda was approximately 5% out according to GPS/sat nav.
Went past that exact bridge complete with van a couple of years ago with an indicated 99 on the clock when i saw it.
I did brake, maybe that was what they are looking for, as I never heard a thing about it.
Id guess you were southbound, as it's actually quite a hill, so increased possibility of a car making a little more progress without the driver noticing.
I never intentionally speed, but thats an easy place to get it wrong.
They have a time limit to get you informed of your crime.
Apparently it's a tough target for them to achieve. Fingers crossed there were thousands of others driving at greater illegal speeds that they'll pick on first?
I wouldn't worry until it arrives or a few weeks is up.
I never intentionally speed, but thats an easy place to get it wrong.
An easy place to accidentally find yourself almost 30mph over the speed limit?
I never know why people admit to speeding on stw, it's worse than telling your mum
Your own car or a company car? It'll go to the registered keeper first so there might be a delay if it's the latter.
@ simon, yes, presumably that's why the camera sits there, its quite a hill, normally stick within or close to speed limits as my job depends on my driving licence.
im not condoning it, but it can happen quite easily, id imagine even more easily in a bigger car like for example a 5 series.
I know that i was lucky to get away with it, even though I didn't intend to do it.
As mentioned, depends on the car. You were probably doing around 75 and I'd be surprised if you got a ticket. Technically you can be nicked for 1mph over but the only time I've received a ticket I've been well over.
I do around 50k miles a year, try to stick to below the limits but I've often sailed past a van, looked at the speedo and worried.
Story short 4:30pm only me as far as the eye can see M74 near Moffet (as im now aware a true hot spot for mr eciloP , cruise set at 79 10%+2mph mobile unit on bridge ..
I think you'll be fine. I am up and down that bit several times a week and went past doing more than that without any action. Think I've been done twice there, one at 88 and one at 92 over the years. Anything under 80 and I think the odds are in your favour.
Wifes car and normally i stick to 75 (yet another slapped wrist on here ) but the spot was at the bottom of the hill on my way back to Saddleworth after a day at Glentress so just wanted to get home ,i know the limit is 1 days my guessing though fines come through quicker theses days .. fingers crossed
Isnt there a 10% buffer zone. And assuming your speedo shows 4 or 5 mph slower than actual speed (ive tested both mine and they are well under at 70 mph) you should be fine.
From there down to Gretna, any flyover and then the Carlisle ones
79 10%+2mph
How fast is this?
He means '10% over statutory speed limit plus 2mph', so 70+7+2 = 79
If you do get a letter, write one back asking if they've apprehended any of the thieves who've stolen bikes off here.
but it can happen quite easily, id imagine even more easily in a bigger car like for example a 5 series.
Do BMW still make cruise an optional extra? It's on most cars these days. Makes the empty motorway much easier and removes that sped creep.
tpbiker - Member
Isnt there a 10% buffer zone. And assuming your speedo shows 4 or 5 mph slower than actual speed (ive tested both mine and they are well under at 70 mph) you should be fine.
Nope, most modern spedo's are reading close these days so unless you know exactly what yours is showing (quality GPS, good satalite coverage or a handy police check camera) it's not worth banking on that. Enforcement is up to the local constabulary i think.
Just here to chuckle at it being easy to accidentally hit 99 🙂
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Well fingers crossed.. But if it lands I will have to pony up... Not like I accidentally hit 99:lol:
No cruise on my car, I won't buy another one without it.
I may just add, I wasn't overtaking any traffic, in fact everything was going around the same speed as me.
Also, I reckon the police would 'almost definitely' do someone at that speed, so i can only assume one of two things,
A: they were drinking coffee, or
B: my speedo over reads.
Wouldn't want to put either of those scenarios to the test again
Keep digging.... 😉
Edit: I need coffee
Indicated 77 is probably about 72. I'll be surprised if you get a NIP for that.
Sort of on topic anecdote. I was following a Skoda Citygo on my bike in traffic last week, and it had a HUD for the speedo. That was saying I was comfortably cruising uphill at 22mph, my Garmin had me at a much more realistic 16mph.
At 79mph on the clock I reckon you'll be ok.
Cougar - ModeratorIndicated 77 is probably about 72. I'll be surprised if you get a NIP for that.
Depends on the car and the age. Mine is surprisingly accurate, verified with phone gps and sat nav. Unless all three are out by exactly the same amount.
So the important thing to remember is Police Scotland don't officially follow the 10% +2MPH guideline!
Indicated 79mph on the car, done at 79mph on the M6. I got a speed awareness course
I got done for 60 in a 50 at an indicated 59 mph ( 50 mph limit I missed) - mobile cameras do not have to use the leeway and your speedo might be accurate
The date in question was the 18th, so as every day passes im thanking my lucky stars hoping I would have heard something by now tbh
It really depends on the particular car, newer cars I'd imagine have more accurate speedos. That said my old Volvo was very accurate under 50mph,upto about 70 or 80 it over read by about 2 to 4mph.
I think they have 2 weeks to get a fine out to you.
No force officially follows the guidelines. They were set by ACPO, which no longer exists and never covered Scotland anyway. Police Scotland have said they'd go after folk 1mph above the speed limit - though current speedo accuracy obviously is a factor.xora - Member
So the important thing to remember is Police Scotland don't officially follow the 10% +2MPH guideline!
If you do get a letter, write one back asking if they've apprehended any of the thieves who've stolen bikes off here.
Ah! the old, "why don't you go out and nick some proper criminals" defence.
I got caught in the same area last year at 74 mph. Speedo was reading around 80 but I lifted off when I saw the van. The Scottish police are dead keen on catching speeders and there is no speed awareness course option.
I reckon you'll be fine....I sometimes overtake Police cars at 79 and they don't care. 8)
though current speedo accuracy obviously is a factor
Speedos err on the side of safety though, they might over read, but they'll never under read. Generally the faster you go the more inaccurate they get.
As for the 10%+2 it is just a guideline, and nothing more probably more to save the authorities hassle than anything else with people arguing about calibration etc.
Technically you can get done for doing 1mph over, it's the drivers responsibility to obay the rules, if they can prove it.. But it's unlikely.
sometimes overtake Police cars at 79 and they don't care
Yeh most police tend to have a common sense approach on motorways, someone driving sensibly at 80 on a clear stretch is much less of a concern than bad overtakes or people not checking mirrors when changing lanes when it's congested.
"Yeh most police tend to have a common sense approach on motorways, someone driving sensibly at 80 on a clear stretch is much less of a concern than bad overtakes or people not checking mirrors when changing lanes when it's congested."
about 15 years ago I got done for doing 60mph on a 50mph stretch of the M8 at 2 o'clock in the morning on day after boxing day with hardly any traffic after the police had followed me "through town for 5 miles". No I hadn't done anything wrong, they had just followed me to observe. Breathalysed and totally clean. When I pointed out that while we had been stopped, every other car passing was doing over 70 mph, the answer was "we weren't watching them we were watching you." Smug git. His colleague had to point out to him that where they stopped me was actually a 60 mph stretch, but then he insisted on showing me his footage of me doing up to 60mph in the earlier 50 mph stretch before he pulled me over.
Guess he was a jobsworth or having a bad day if you were driving sensibly.
But at the end of the day, if you break the limit you can get fined.
Back in my youth I got pulled on the m1 in the early hours of the morning doing about 95.
He gave me a good bollocking and I was apologetic and didn't deny I knew how fast I was going, and he let me on my way.
Your millage may vary. Sorry couldn't resist!
most modern spedo's are reading close these days
I drive a handful of 1-2 year old cars through work.
All read 10% or so over GPS.
Speedos err on the side of safety though, they might over read, but they'll never under read.
Isn't it actually illegal for it to under-read?
"we weren't watching them we were watching you."
"Ever go fishing?" Yeah. "Ever catch all the fish?"
I drive a handful of 1-2 year old cars through work.All read 10% or so over GPS.
Every car I've had in the last, oh, 15 years or so I've tested against a GPS. Every single one has over-read by around 10%. (Off the top of my head: Vectra, two Passats, Mondeo, Hyundai i40, probably others I've forgotten.) Currently in a 1-Series, haven't tested that one yet.
If you want to play the % game, then there's a way to get off this and I know it's correct as I have done it 😉
In Scotland they have a precedent that you only need to admit guilt under caution. When you get the NIP, fill in the details but DO NOT SIGN IT. This is where Scotland differs from England as not signing is a prosecutable offence in England, whereas in Scotland, signing it is an admission of guilt and you don't have to do that if you are not under caution.
They will send another NIP back to you saying that you haven't signed it, do the same again and every time they send it back to you. What they need to do is send the NIP to your local police station and ask for them to call on you and caution you and you then have to sign the NIP in front of them.
From the 1st receipt of NIP they have 6 months to call on you before it times out, most of the time the local bobbies are too busy to do this so ignore it 😉
Well no news is good news that's 11 days since the *alleged* speeding incident I know they have 14days but as everything is digital I thought I would have heard something by now
I know the 'safety' camera people have a different agenda, but I once got stopped and given a talking to by motorway cops and they told me to set cruise to 80mph and they won't bother with you.
Just managed to speak to Mobile safety camera unit for D+G ....
No pending fines or prosecutions on my reg ... Lucky SOB note to self M74 cruise set at 70 mph
Can I be the first to say I am disgusted by the op and his blatent disregard for the law 😉
On a more serious note it is very tempting to give it the beans on that road, 3 lanes, dead straight, usually quite quiet.
I fought the law and law turned a blind eye a win for common sense ...
lucky lucky boy /fool
I got caught in the same area last year at 74 mph. Speedo was reading around 80 but I lifted off when I saw the van. The Scottish police are dead keen on catching speeders and there is no speed awareness course option.
They also have competitions to see which patrol catch the most BMW, Merc and Range Rover drivers 😉
Targets is now what it's all about since the creation of P.Sco.....
A few weeks ago a speed camera got me for going 6mph over the 60mph limit. Buggers.
And the cops ( or is it an urbanmyth) play speeder snooker - a red car then a black then a red............ etc
~So from that a yellow car might be best
[quote=andy4d ]A few weeks ago a speed camera got me for going 6mph over the 60mph limit. Buggers.
An indicated 70-72 then?
oh please let that be trueAnd the cops ( or is it an urbanmyth) play speeder snooker
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Just here to chuckle at it being easy to accidentally hit 99
It rather depends on what you drive. My boggo diesel estate will sit rather peacefully, quietly, and in total comfort at 130mph in Germany, with another 30 odd mph left to go (before the electronic limiter cuts in)
The 70mph limit was set (fairly arbitrarily) when we drove round in cars like this:
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where 99mph felt and sounded like warp9, you'd have to scream at the top of your voice to be heard, and the brakes would have overheated before you'd ever managed to get stopped, probably facing backwards.
I would far, far, far rather people drove paying proper attention and driving safely at an APPROPRIATE speed, than get all hung up about the specific speed they were travelling at........
If you can't tell the difference between 70 an 99mph without an instrument in front of you then you simply shouldn't be on the public roads. Inattention is probably the worst excuse of all.
scotroutes - MemberAn indicated 70-72 then?
Anywhere between 66 and 78.85mph, if you want to be a smartarse. 🙂
where 99mph felt and sounded like warp9, you'd have to scream at the top of your voice to be heard, and the brakes would have overheated before you'd ever managed to get stopped, probably facing backwards.I would far, far, far rather people drove paying proper attention and driving safely at an APPROPRIATE speed, than get all hung up about the specific speed they were travelling at........
Unfortunatly the interface between the seat and the pedals hasn't been upgraded at all in that time.
And the cops ( or is it an urbanmyth) play speeder snooker - a red car then a black then a red............ etc~So from that a yellow car might be best
Or a grey car might be even better, no? 🙂
In February we were heading up to Edinburgh and going past the Ecclefechan/Locherbie area on the M74 at a steady 70mph when a car shot past in the outside lane, followed a few seconds later by a fully marked police patrol car. It took the driver of the first car a good while before he noticed the cop behind and pulled over, at which point the blue lights go on and both cars pull over to the inside lane. It was the driver's lucky day as the cop must have been on his way to an incident as the lights went off and the cop sped away.
Quite how you manage to drive for several miles along a fairly empty motorway without noticing a police car has been following you for several miles is perhaps just as worrying as the speeding itself.
A few years ago I went on a speed awareness course (so I'm definitely not holier than thou) and one tip was to open the windows due to modern cars being so quiet inside that you don't get the same sensation of speed in them as in older cars. The 70mph speed limit was also discussed - modern cars have far better brakes but there's so much distraction in modern cars that this has taken up the slack as it were so the stopping distances in the Highway Code have remained the same. Basically to use a very old joke: "What's the most dangerous part of a car? The nut that holds the steering wheel"
I've front and rear cameras on my car and if I play the clips back, they are about 27 mph on the GPS video when it's indicated 30 on the speedo.
Quite how you manage to drive for several miles along a fairly empty motorway without noticing a police car has been following you for several miles is perhaps just as worrying as the speeding itself.
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Our local plod are proud of posting up on Twitter how fast they have caught people going. I am not condoning speeding for one second, but how much attention are these motorists paying when they can't even realise another car is behind them at 130 mph + which the police dealt with the other day.
Even if it's unmarked, are they not thinking " whys he behind me ? " coz they are not looking
The 70mph speed limit was also discussed - modern cars have far better brakes but there's so much distraction in modern cars that this has taken up the slack as it were so the stopping distances in the Highway Code have remained the same.
I wonder if that's the official line or the one your particular tutor person made up. Would seem a curious one to me. The increase in traffic certainly would seem a reason - it's really hard to maintain a safe distance between you and the car you are following without someone jumping into it plus the extra danger of busy roads at motorway junctions. You could even use environmental reasons to keep a lid on speeds. But distraction in the car? So many more cars have steering wheel mounted audio controls, we are no longer pulling cassettes out every half an hour and fishing for new ones and I can't have been the only driver in the 80s and 90s with a road atlas on his lap trying to work my route out. Better than it was- no. Worse...not so sure.
I can't find it now but was reading something the other day about high levels of ambient noise using up levels of your mental capacity. Whilst quiet cars cocoon the driving into feelings of unrealistic safety they do also improve the ability to concentrate on the job in hand.
Overall I think I'd be in favour of upping the motorway limits by 10mph (or variable limits that go higher than the current 70 but reduce when the roads are rammed or conditions tricky) and reducing the urban ones to 20.
Overall I think I'd be in favour of upping the motorway limits by 10mph (or variable limits that go higher than the current 70 but reduce when the roads are rammed or conditions tricky) and reducing the urban ones to 20.
This.
Lucky SOB note to self M74 cruise set at 70 mph
75 works for me on the M74
130kph in France, dropping to 110 if it's raining - much nicer.
I am not condoning speeding for one second, but how much attention are these motorists paying when they can't even realise another car is behind them at 130 mph + which the police dealt with the other day.Even if it's unmarked, are they not thinking " whys he behind me ? " coz they are not looking.
They presume they are the fastest thing on the road so don't need to look behind them. Have a mate who drives like this, never ride with him if we're going somewhere. It [i]really[/i] winds him up when I stick to the speed limits religiously 😀
On the way up i did pass the black A5 on the hardshoulder he had caught his catch for the day but SAFETY VANS .. more like cash cows