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Probably like many other second home owners mostly from Eh as most cars parked there have Eh permits was spotted at her second home just to check it's ok and not got any symptoms. It's got a nice beach and country walks
65 miles away in the East Nuke o Fife
So the home has no symptoms? 😁
So, business as usual then?
One rule for the plebs, another for the rulers. The royal family buggered off to their country home as soon as they could, didn’t they?
She should be fined to set an example
The infected royal family buggered off to their country home as soon as they could, didn’t they?
FTFY bro. Bloody inbreds.
Sounds just like many others seem to be doing.
Do as I say, not as I do!
Aye, it's how these people operate.
To be fair, Prince Charles did not catch corona virus, then scuttle off to his second home against official guidance along with his retinue before bothering to get tested positive.
He's got loads of homes
Good to see The Sun presenting such an even-handed approach to this after their similarly scathing piece on the royals heading to Deeside.
I don't read the sun but are they wrong to report the family drove over , walked the golf course , stayed the night then back to Edinburgh next day. Anyone who has been fined for driving to walk their dog or flown their kite down the beach will be aggrieved. By the way I have a cat and have never ever had a kite
She's now apologised.
Even clever people can be thick
I felt calls for her resignation were a little over the top initially but as she does not appear to have any justification for her actions, which shows an appalling lack of judgement and disregard for the rules, it calls into question her fitness to be in the position and should make resignation inevitable.
I'm sure her voice and delivery will be missed by insomniacs all over Scotland.
she does not appear to have any justification for her actions
She says she has reasons, but admits they are not good enough to justify her breaking the basic rule she has been jamming down everyone's throat for the last 3 weeks.
Get rid; get someone sensible in. Her credibility is gone.
You would think a friend could have checked out the pad for her maybe a local if she was worried about security etc, it's a braw wee place to walk but a ghost town other than maybe Easter and a few weekends in the summer. Local young folk could never buy a property there , twelve years ago a two bedroom ex council was offers over £290,000
Had it been Navitie Crescent, Ballingry folk maybe wouldn't have bothered so much
Not really a surprise. A medic thinking they are above everyone else*
*some medics are not like this
The supportive comments from colleagues earlier this morning, prior to the apology, are particularly annoying too. Making excuses for someone who clearly thought the rules didn't apply to her. Idiots!!
I imagine a lot of MPs and MSPs are twitching at the moment. There will be plenty hopping between homes
I think what has happened is she is not used to being in the political firing line and thus made a misjudgment based on being used to working in the medical world not the political.
It's a nightmare tbh. Because she's been doing a good job, and Sturgeon's right that this would ba e terrible time to replace her. But she's massively undermined her advice. No good way through it tbh.
Does seem a wee bit OTT considering things like the Royal response, or the PM ignoring advice until he got it himself, but whataboutery doesn't help.
thus made a misjudgment based on being used to working in the medical world not the political.
So it was a political blunder but a pretty sound medical decision?
Doing it two weekends running is a hell of a misjudgment. The only thing that will save her is that it probably is a bad idea to lose your Chief Medical Officer at time like this. Someone else is going to have to do the stay at home adverts.
It's not the time to be replacing her. Stupid error, Police have publicly and privately warned her, let's focus on the real crisis here.
I think of an error is something you do by accident but this was a choice: she can't argue she didn't know/understand the rules so seems increbibly arrogant to assume they didn't apply to her..in that position i personally think the person in the role should be beyond reproach (the time we expected our MPs and Royals to be beyond reproach has long since sailed) as, by not being, could cost lives..."if the CMO can travel, why should i stay at home?" attitude. On that basis, regardless of how good a job she was doing, i can't see her position as tenable
Even clever people can be thick
This isn't being "thick", however, it's professional negligence. The authorities have been ramming the message about movement outside the home down everyone's throats because it is vital that everyone observes the rules, then the Chief Medical Officer decides to flout those rules for her own convenience. There will be a sizeable number of people out there today hearing this news and thinking that it is probably really OK for them to bend the rules a bit "if they need to".
I'm not one for knee jerk reactions, but this does feel like a resignation is in order. How does she retain any credibility when she's ignored her own advice?
Having just read one of the comments above, I hadn't even realised she had done it two weekends in a row...
We all make mistakes but she needs to go to send a message.
There's a lot of whatboutery regarding the "journalists" that tailed her but that's not an excuse and she was definitely in the wrong. Unless she has some skill set that is irreplaceable, she should announce a handover and resignation.....
... immediately after Prince Charles does the same 😉
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... By the way I ... have never ever had a kite
There's a support group on here for you, my friend
The authorities have been ramming the message about movement outside the home down everyone’s throats because it is vital that everyone observes the rules, then the Chief Medical Officer decides to flout those rules for her own convenience. There will be a sizeable number of people out there today hearing this news and thinking that it is probably really OK for them to bend the rules a bit “if they need to”.
I’m not one for knee jerk reactions, but this does feel like a resignation is in order. How does she retain any credibility when she’s ignored her own advice?
what kcr said, it surely totally undermines her and the governments authority
Poor woman, she's on the wrong thread, she should be on the lockdown cycling thread, lots of folks on there need to drive somewhere. 🤣
it's a bit "chief air raid warden holds firework party during luftwaffe raid"
Just like the boxer last week a wee donation to a charity or maybe a tearful apology on telly, there must be many a competent doc to take her place, I've no idea what her salary is but must be pretty healthy unlike many of us unable to work, you would have thought her other half could have been advising her that it is a wee bit risky. Hope he got his pants pulled down and got a smack too
We shut our 'static' van before the lockdown came. We'd only had it open after the winter for 7 days. First visit was to open, clean, wash exterior and repair half the fence that had blown down. Next visit was to lock it up. No excuses for her.
Police have issued a warning to Scotland's chief medical officer for visiting her second home in Fife during the coronavirus lockdown
Maybe a shift on the front line, given that several of her colleagues have died as a direct result of doing their job might focus her attention a little better!
Anyone know how easy it is to replace a Chief Medical Officer at short notice?
This is very much a distraction from the bigger issue.
I think what has happened is she is not used to being in the political firing line and thus made a misjudgment based on being used to working in the medical world not the political.
Is this the "she knows better than everyone else so can ignore the public health message she fronts in the middle of a pandemic because that's for other people" defence?
She will have been shopped by the locals fed up of the weekend holiday home brigade who carry on regardless.
Sturgeon is defending her because others in the leadership of the pandemic response and generally in the SNP have been doing exactly the same.
This is very much a distraction from the bigger issue.
The issue of a virus, spreading across the country, killing people, with a chief means of prevention being getting people to stay home?
She will have been shopped by the locals fed up of the weekend holiday home brigade who carry on regardless.
I'm not sure Earlsferry has any actual locals - maybe up the coast either side a bit, but it is pretty much 100% Embra weekend holiday homes.
Interesting that Matt Hancock ignored the question a few minutes ago as to whether he had visited his second home, assuming he has one!
I’m not sure Earlsferry has any actual locals – maybe up the coast either side a bit, but it is pretty much 100% Embra weekend holiday homes.
There will be the cleaners and the people running the corner shop etc
She did it twice, she should be leading by example, immediate sacking, no one is irreplaceable.
If she wasn't much worried about the security of her house in Fife before, she certainly will be now.
Just watched her on the telly she didn't leave any humble pie for anyone else.
Storm in a teacup.
Storm in a teacup.
Do you think it is essential for everyone to observe the lock down rules?
Absolute disgrace the chief medical officer of a country breaking there own rules, she needs to stand down but It wont happen in Scotland.
She will be stepping back from public speaking but there could be no stronger way of emphasising the seriousness of her own advice this than she resign from her role.
… immediately after Prince Charles does the same
She can go right after Charlie, but not before.
Local police have had a word with her, probably just Hello.
Rumour has it she was visiting the Local 5G mast just to make sure nobody had switched it on.
Why won't it happen in Scotland superscale?
I thought Sturgeons answer was pretty good. Something we are now used to here - politicians with detailed and nuanced answers and not policy by kneejerk
<emThere will be the cleaners and the people running the corner shop etc
Nah, they just drive in from Elie and Pittenweem.
Why I dont think it would happen in Scotland because the politicians will most likely support her and for sure Sturgeon said we all make mistakes - Ok. lol
Superscale - what knowledge do you have of Scottish politics? Do you live up here?
Super scale 20 has a point wherever he lives, the ex finance secretary although suspended is probably still getting full pay and perks as he is under medical supervision so he doesn't lose his gold plated pension
what knowledge do you have of Scottish politics? Do you live up here?
No I live in London in the week, Yorkshire on weekend. My knowledge of Scottish Politics I read whats in the media like most people.
TJ I dont think the reaction comes under the term 'knee jerk'. Its such a blatant disregard of a key part of the strategy that I don't think there is any coming back.
If she stays, it sends out completely the wrong message and will be used whenever there us an attempt at enforcement.
kcr
Do you think it is essential for everyone to observe the lock down rules?
It's a manufactured controversy. She was stupid, but this was nowhere near as bad as Prince Charles travelling to his holiday home while actually suffering from the disease.
When Prince Charles also gets a reprimand from the Scottish police, I'll agree with you.
When the photographer who tailed her to get the photo also gets a reprimand from the Scottish police, I'll agree with you.
Meanwhile the entire UK cabinet is not exactly innocent in this regard either, yet there's no outrage there either.
So manufactured storm in a teacup, yes.
So manufactured storm in a teacup, yes.
I'll ask the same question.
Do you think it is essential for everyone to observe the lock down rules?
It was not manufactured. She was caught red handed. As for Prince Charles, that was also indefensible.
The point about Charles is that firstly, he isn’t the person who has been put in front of the public to represent the honest, expert & informed side of the government’s response to this. Additionally he didn’t go to Balmoral in secret: it was widely reported he was there which implies he didn’t think he was doing anything wrong (ok I know). Whereas she absolutely knew it was wrong & did it anyway. I think it’s a real setback to fighting the virus in Scotland.
kcr
I’ll ask the same question.
Do you think it is essential for everyone to observe the lock down rules?
Did you miss the bit where I said she was stupid to do it?
So none then Superscale - its pretty obvious.
I am not defending her at all. ~What I am saying is I thought Sturgeons press conference nuanced and she avoided a knee jerk reaction.
its bad politcss from the medical bod tho - thats for sure
imnotverygood
The point about Charles is that firstly, he isn’t the person who has been put in front of the public to represent the honest, expert & informed side of the government’s response to this.
He's even worse because he took a whole retinue with him, then apparently had a team flown to him to do the test, and a bed especially reserved for him in case it was needed.
The royals purportedly are supposed to be an example to the rest of us, but of course their shit don't stink, so it's ok, is it?.
As epicclo says - where is the outrage over westminster actually ignoring the rules as Johnson did, catching it and spreading it around?
There is no harm done here - just stupidity exposed.
Once again its something being used as a stick to beat Sturgeon with.
Anyone in any doubt at all about what should happen here needs to watch the very first 5 minutes of The Thick of It.
It's nothing to do with blaming Nicola Sturgeon it's the blatant obvious disregard to us that are following the rules
When the photographer who tailed her to get the photo also gets a reprimand from the Scottish police, I’ll agree with you.
True Scottish politics, stop the free press for reporting facts! Not sure if even Hungary has gone that far yet.
Like Johnson, Hancock, sundry other Westminster politicos, Johnsons dad, prince Charles and his retinue, etc etc - all of whom have directly caused harm - whereas this has not.
Do the comparison.
She is bound to be extra upset because she probably filled the freezer ready for the Easter weekend
whereas this has not
How do you know? Were you there?
Big and daft - so its OK for the press to break the rules in your book?
Now come on - where is the outrage about Johnson and the rest of the plague marys in cabinet who flaunted the guidance and actually spread the disease around? where is the outrage about Charles who knowing he had symptoms moved himself and his retinue into a small rural community?
Has she gone yet?
For any Chief Medical Officer or anyone who is supposedly more in the know than the commoners, does it not create a flicker of doubt in the official line?
big>n_daft
True Scottish politics, stop the free press for reporting facts! Not sure if even Hungary has gone that far yet.
So a qualified medic who understands the risks cannot decide her actions under the guidance (not rules), but it's ok for a member of the press tailing her to ignore them? Sounds like Yoon logic.
I really hope the photographer carrying out this 'public service' gets their collar felt too.
tbh I'm not even convinced the story is currently in the public interest (no issue with dealing with after the current lock down).
Nice to see the Sun fearlessly exposing hypocrisy though. I'm hoping they turn their new found reporting expertise to funding in the NHS over last 10 years or suspected Russian involvement in Brexit or similar...
As the Chief Medical Bod, she should a) know the rules, b) know she has to set an example, c) know they apply to her. Appalling behaviour and an appalling example to set, I don't see how she can stay on with any credibility.
Soon I reckon
For any Chief Medical Officer or anyone who is supposedly more in the know than the commoners, does it not create a flicker of doubt in the official line?
Johnson? Hancock? where is the outrage over them spreading the virus around westminster by flouting the rules and at the same time denying the staff there any protection or allowing them to leave the building?
any of you putting the boot in care to address why you didn't on this aspect?