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As opposed to putting across someone else’s point of view?
Top selective quoting there, well done.
I clearly said that there needs to be some listening done too.
I sympathise Cookeaa, cliques mean:
When you look for the causes of bullying the authorities will wrongly blame factors outside of schools, some people in Croydon need a wake up call:
https://www.croydon.gov.uk/education/parentalsupport/bullying
When they should be looking inwards to where the bullying takes place and where the kids learn to bully. Teachers are bullied by their hierarchy, they enforce a system that is based on bullying and some kids end up becoming bullies too.
Good kids should be encouraged and supported, not bullied into doing silly walks.
teaching would do better to recruit better teachers
With all due respect, none, that's quite a sweeping statement, to say I'm not good enough to do my job.
teaching would do better to recruit better teachers
Pay more so that better candidates are attracted to the profession?
given the current Santa Cruz marketing I'm seeing on the side bar, have you through about talking to the teacher about forming a Ministry of Silly Walks?
I think we should all take up fantastic walking. I have no idea what it is but it sounds fantastic.
I've no idea if you're a good or bad teacher, how good you are in your discipline, how much training you've had or whatever, onehundredidiot. You might be good enough to do your job, you might not. What I can say with certainty is that compared to more successful systems the British teaching profession has lower barriers to entry, and significantly lower levels of training.
You can walk in off the street with a degree and just start teaching in a UK school. The pay will be crap (so a lot of potentially good teachers with the vocation will not do it as they can't afford to) and you'll either sink or swim. The main criteria for being a UK teacher is being able to survive in the classroom and survive on the salery. Most everywhere else you'll need masters II, get lots of training and getting a place will be competeive because pay and conditions are good.
So do you belong to the generation that did a PGCE, teaching practices and got sent on training courses or did you scrape a degree and just walk into the job - which still wouldn't necessarily make you a poor teacher, but it would make it less likely you'd be a good one who realises silly walk collective punishments are a no, no.
I'm well place to compare teaching systems in Britain, France and Germany. British teachers are underpaid, bullied by their hierarchy, undertrained and undervalued by society.
You can walk in off the street with a degree and just start teaching in a UK school.
Becoming a qualified teacher
To teach in England and Wales you need to gain QTS. You will obtain this on an ITT programme, which could be school or university-based and takes approximately one year to complete. Once you have finished the course, assuming that you meet the standards, you will be awarded QTS and become a newly qualified teacher (NQT) ready to undertake your induction year.Scottish teachers need a degree and an Initial Teacher Education (ITE) qualification. Upon completion of your ITE you'll need to undergo a probationary teaching year. To find out more, see teaching in Scotland.
To become a teacher in Northern Ireland you'll need to complete an undergraduate Bachelor of Education (BEd) or a one-year Postgraduate Certificate in Education (PGCE). If you want to teach in country, but trained outside Northern Ireland, you'll need to get your qualifications approved by the General Teaching Council for Northern Ireland (GTCNI). Learn more about teaching in Northern Ireland.
Applications for most teacher training programmes in England and Wales are made through UCAS Teacher Training (UTT), in the autumn prior to starting training. To find out more, see routes into teaching. You'll also submit your application for teacher training in Scotland through UCAS.
In Northern Ireland, applications are made directly to individual institutions. Financial support is available including bursaries for some subjects depending on degree grade. To see what's available in Wales take a look at Discover Teaching. For Northern Ireland, see NI Direct Initial Teacher Training.
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So your expertise in the British system isn't good enough for you to understand that there is no British system.
Secondary in Scotland need a degree, post grad (currently investigating whether it needs to go from pgde to masters).
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The programme lasts two years. You’re placed into a school straight away in September and gain Qualified Teacher Status in your first year and complete your Newly Qualified Teacher placement in year two.
I know someone who did it. She survived and is now a "fully qualified teacher" who has learned to survive in the system. It's not about pedagogy, it's about survival teaching.
Surely kids deserve teachers who aren't mainly just trying to hang on in there under attack from kids, parents and their hierarchy. Perhaps if they were better paid, worked less hours, were given are little more responsibility and scope, and training and lived a little less in fear they'd teach a bit better.
Perhaps if they were better paid, worked less hours, were given are little more responsibility and scope, and training and lived a little less in fear they’d teach a bit better.
That was my point earlier. Problem is that education is expensive and wealthier people live in areas with good schools, so paying higher taxes to improve schools for poor kids isn't popular among most taxpayers.
That's a realy sad state of affairs, hols2. Then the poor and wealthy alike moan about beggars, the unemployed (and unemployable), the lack of skilled workers, immigration (of well-educated Europeans). It seems to me that the first thing teachers need to do is to educate kids about the value of education and hope they remember when they get to voting age.
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It seems to me that the first thing teachers need to do is to educate kids about the value of education and hope they remember when they get to voting
Maybe it’s the first thing parents should do. Teachers should teach and not raise your kids lol.
Kick the bad kids out of school. Simple.
Send them to the army and learn a trade.
Some stupid rule can’t easily kick 1-2 bad kids out of a class and ruin the education of a whole class.
Perhaps if they were better paid, worked less hours, were given are little more responsibility and scope, and training and lived a little less in fear they’d teach a bit better.
There is scant evidence to support paying teachers more improves outcomes for kids. There is scant evidence that paying employees more in any area improves outcomes.
Well paying teachers a bit more might have stopped me, Madame and tens of thousands of the best finding greener grass elsewhere.
I find it bizarre that the very same people who justify top managers being paid millions with "companies need the best" are happy with paying teachers a pitance.
I visited the same German school five years running. A couple of teachers retired, one died of cancer and three new teachers were taken on. Oh, and there were a couple of maternity leave repalcements. In a typical UK secondary school 50% of teachers would have moved or left the profession in the same time.
Paying them more, combined with better resourced schools and reducing workload might stop teachers leaving the profession in huge numbers leaving behind huge teacher shortages and increased workload for those that stay.
Just a thought like.
I think you're the longest serving teacher on the forum a_a, still happy in the job?
At a quick glance, school funding in England has risen, in real-terms from 1990 to 2015, dramatically so during the Blair years. And yet teachers have been leaving the profession disillusioned since I was at school. Even after the current and previous round of cuts schools are still over two times better funded than they were when I was a pupil.
But the money hasn't gone to school resources of teacher saleries, it's gone into academy trusts paying huge saleries to academy bosses (privileged tories generally). It's gone inot paying contracts to businesses providing services to academies... .
https://www.tes.com/news/exclusive-top-earning-academy-bosses-revealed
Top selective quoting there, well done.
I clearly said that there needs to be some listening done too.
Thanks! For someone who was advocating listening, you seemed rather fond of shouty capitals.
I think you’re the longest serving teacher on the forum a_a, still happy in the job?
I still love teaching and have stepped away from management which has helped but the changes to GCSE science and available courses has meant I spend much of my time hammering square pegs into round holes which is no fun for them or me tbh.
At a quick glance, school funding in England has risen, in real-terms from 1990 to 2015,
And what has happened to A. pupil numbers and B. Since 2015?
Oh and according to a recent email from my union academy trusts are sitting on big enough surpluses to give every teacher a 5k rise. Authority schools have to give any surpluses back!
Common man, let the teachers do their job. Kids discipline is poor today. If you don't like it take her out of school and teach her at home yourself.