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It’s all relative to your age! It probably is the biggest event of her lifetime.
fair point! And for everyone that has paid to go, 100 quid or 700 quid I hope they have an amazing time.
More importantly, I have it on good authority that I’m getting some kind of Taylor swift bracelet!! Wtaf is that all about😂
Spending cash on bike or wheels that potentially lasts for years and possibly saves you money is very different than burning through lots of cash on an event that lasts a few hours and will probably be repeated a year later when the next gig turns up?
that’s my thinking, but then again i just paid out 2 grand to go on a weeks cycling holiday so I’m a bit of a hypocrite on that front..
Holidays have always been expensive.
Unless you went on a cycle touring trip and slept in ditches 😂
Spending cash on bike or wheels that potentially lasts for years and possibly saves you money is very different than burning through lots of cash on an event that lasts a few hours and will probably be repeated a year later when the next gig turns up?
If cycling isn’t your thing, but Taylor Swift is, then no point spending your Taylor ticket money on some wheels.
(Btw I’m not arguing it’s not expensive - just do what makes you happy).
Blimey. My one and only proper large scale gig was to see Fleetwood Mac and Jethro Tull (plus some other bands) at the old Wembley Stadium. Ticket price of £20. For context we were living in SW London and paying £120 a month each for rent.
I was there. I'm pretty sure we got our tickets half price (£10) because they weren't selling. One of my housemates spent a while trying to boo Hall and Oates off the stage, but it's so long ago that I can't remember whether it was because they were crap or whether he was drunk. Tull went through the motions and Fleetwood Mac were memorably boring. Even the spontaneous jams were pre-prepared, as evidenced when the show a week later was broadcast on the radio and was exactly the same as the Wembley show.
"I would b curious to know how much these tours cost to put on"
I reckon the cost of this one is off the charts...
Two of my daughters are into Taylor, one is going to Cardiff next week, and my wife is taking the youngest up so she can here some muffled squawking from outside the stadium. They were watching the Eras tour on the TV a few weeks ago, and it was decent enough - not my sort of thing but I wouldn't expect that. However, there was quite a lot of obvious lip-syncing from Taylor, which I wouldn't like if it was my money being spent. If one of the old punk bands I like started miming I think there's be a bit of grumbling, even at £20 a ticket. 😀
so the argument that the very biggest artists need to charge sky-high ticket prices in order to “top up” their income is totally invalid.
Sure, but how much does it cost to stage one of her concerts? How much does the whole tour cost?
I was at a festival in the summer watching Four-Tet and he dropped a bootleg of a Taylor Swift song and the crowd (notably younger than this aged raver) went ballistic.
Bootleg mashups and remixes used to be about subverting the mainstream. The counter culture appropriating it for itself. Remixes used to actively avoid legally identifying themselves.
I'm too old to know or care if that's still the case.
More importantly, I have it on good authority that I’m getting some kind of Taylor swift bracelet!! Wtaf is that all about😂
I'm no expert - there's no Swifties in this house, but a culture has emerged where fans make friendship bracelets and then swap them with complete strangers at the venue. Now I don't get excited about that, but I think it probably says something about the culture of the whole experience - your daughter probably started making bracelets a few weeks ago.
Spending cash on bike or wheels that potentially lasts for years and possibly saves you money is very different than burning through lots of cash on an event that lasts a few hours and will probably be repeated a year later when the next gig turns up?
I don't think you'll have to look too hard to find someone here who's spent 700 on a bike/component thats been used for a few rides and sits at the back of the garage as a thoroughly unmemorable experience. I think you are wrong to think of it as a "few hours". There's the anticipation, the chat afterwards, the memories. Also suspect that Taylor Swift concerts are not an annual event in the UK. Once in a lifetime might be going too far.
that’s my thinking, but then again i just paid out 2 grand to go on a weeks cycling holiday so I’m a bit of a hypocrite on that front..
So yes you are hypocrite - you've just spend 1.5x the amound on one person's trip! You know you can ride your bike for free from the door!
If cycling isn’t your thing, but Taylor Swift is, then no point spending your Taylor ticket money on some wheels.
I like cycling because it is cheap.
I like music because I can listen to it in the radio which is cheap. I could max out and buy a cd for £10 which would last forever.
Spending several hundred quid on a concert is bonkers. Unless you are loaded.
That said I spent all my money that I earned as a kid on cycling stuff. Delivering papers and washing up. No parental contributions for hobbies.
Fair play to the kids that can earn that sort of cash and burn it in one evening. Hopefully their financial future will be ok.
Taylors future will be fine and she'll be performing for many years.
I'm not sure why I'm even commenting on this thread 😂
Spending cash on bike or wheels that potentially lasts for years and possibly saves you money is very different than burning through lots of cash on an event that lasts a few hours and will probably be repeated a year later when the next gig turns up?
"saves you money" is doing some very heavy lifting there.
My commuter has saved me money because it cost £80 and has done about 6 years now an an absolute shoestring of maintenance. Justifying £700 fancy wheels that avoid you having to replace "cheap" £200 hubs when swapping bikes when they go out of fashion on the other hand isn't "saving money".
And on the one hand, bikes are fun. But one Thursday evening club ride blurs into hundreds of others. Even a short holiday will be great fun at the time but unlikely to be a lifelong memory.
Whereas doing new stuff that's also fun will etch itself in your brain. So in that sense £200 on some gig tickets is far better value than £200 on some new wheels that won't actually even change my enjoyment of cycling. On your deathbed are you going to remember a SRAM GX AXS derailleur or a really good gig?
I think you are wrong to think of it as a “few hours”. There’s the anticipation, the chat afterwards, the memories.
I think most of us have been to gigs here and are aware of that being complete bobbins, even the old greybeards who last went to a gig before Freddie Mercury had pubes. The anticipation, chat, memories are all present if you spend £25 on seeing Ginger Wildheart, for instance, in the local pub - you can't use that as justification for £700 tickets.
Also suspect that Taylor Swift concerts are not an annual event in the UK. Once in a lifetime might be going too far.
This will be the second TS gig for my daughters in the last few years, both fairly locally in Wales. I've seen fewer ospreys than they've seen Swifts! 😀 A quick tot up from wiki shows that she's played the UK on 6 tours since 2009, not counting festivals. That's definitely not a rare thing.
Taylors brainwashing tour 😵💫😵😬
I think most of us have been to gigs here and are aware of that being complete bobbins, even the old greybeards who last went to a gig before Freddie Mercury had pubes. The anticipation, chat, memories are all present if you spend £25 on seeing Ginger Wildheart, for instance, in the local pub – you can’t use that as justification for £700 tickets.
OTOH most gigs are an hour and done, Eras is more like a day pass at a Festival, but every act is the headliner.
£700 is mad, but £200 doesn't seem unreasonable in that context.
And even as someone who hates HeartFM with passion , I've watched it on Disney+ in the background and it's a spectacular show. The production is a bit more than "Taylor Swift" scrawled on a bedsheet at the back of the stage that you'd get at Reading/Leeds.
This whole thread is basically old men shouting at clouds, you do realise that?
Meanwhile there are a lot of young people who are going to have the time of their lives (at least up till now anyway!), have been talking and thinking about it for months and will be talking and thinking about it for months afterwards, no matter how many grumpy old people tell them they won't!
See the secret is to get your kids into less mainstream stuff.
Last gig I went to with my son was at the Windmill in Brixton - 6 quid a ticket. 3 bands and a cracking night for £12 for the two of us (ok add in a couple of beers).
Gig before that was a rip off £16 but was in Banquet records to see English Teacher - it was amazing for the 50 or so of us there -
https://twitter.com/BanquetRecords/status/1779233350235943399/photo/2
On a serious note - there is a brilliant music scene out there at the moment but I do wonder how some of these bands survive with everything dominated by the few massive artists.
The Bobby Lees are a prime example. I watched their KEXP performance and was gutted I missed their one small tour to the uk. Looks like it will have been their last.
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/2go7FAYpSGuWMQrj/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeQ_g8rhetY
God those bands above are awful.. That's abuse taking your children to see such dreary landfill indie.
It doesn't have to be either/or
My kids go to plenty of small gigs in Brighton - £25 quid to see bands like Cavetown, Maisie Peters (before she blew up) etc.
I think the live music scene is still pretty healthy - maybe these big gigs even help to get more young people interested?
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This whole thread is basically old men shouting at clouds, you do realise that?
Yeah, I guess discussing the topic at hand is a lot worse than spouting some old forum cliché
See the secret is to get your kids into less mainstream stuff.
Is that like in the 70's when your mum told you Rola Cola was as good as Coca Cola! 🤣
See the secret is to get your kids into less mainstream stuff.
Is that like in the 70’s when your mum told you Rola Cola was as good as Coca Cola! 🤣
She was telling him to stop playing those awful Max Bygrave records and listen to some Zeppelin instead.
Now aside from the fact I can’t see the appeal of her awful music in the slightest, I’m reliably informed that Taylor treats her fans amazingly well, but I’d argue those prices are taking the pee pee a bit. I remember seeing U2 back in the day for about 25 quid.
Wait till she breaks up with her current partner then expect 10 versions of a new album containing yet more whiny self indulgent songs, 20 T-shirt designs, 5 scarves, etc…etc.
Id say one thing for her, she can surely rinse her fans
In this political climate we need more gil scot heron but we get boyfriend breakup songs
See the secret is to get your kids into less mainstream stuff.
So they can be proper outcasts at school?
On a serious note – there is a brilliant music scene out there at the moment but I do wonder how some of these bands survive with everything dominated by the few massive artists.
I bet for most bands it's a fun lifestyle they can lead while they are young and they will sack it off when life gets serious.
There will always be another band coming along who will change the world - and the odd one does - but they are few and far between.
"I bet for most bands it’s a fun lifestyle they can lead while they are young and they will sack it off when life gets serious."
There is a forum member (Ok, there is someone I know in the real world who has an account and posts very very irregular) who was a household name back in his day. Not an indy "connoisseur fans only" band but a proper middle of the road popular band. They went into it very eyes wide open that they were in it for a good time, not a long time. Put enough aside for a house to make landing back in the real world easier and now does a very very normal job.
edit - are they messing around with the forum again - lost my quote tools etc....
, no matter how many grumpy old people tell them they won’t!
As a self confirmed grumpy old man and the OP, I can confirm I won’t be telling the daughter that it’s a waste of 700 quid and she’s been had!
the mother however, yes she gets reminded of this every day. Pay back for the many times she told me spending 400 quid on a ceramic speed bb/500 quid on a seatpost that goes and down a bit/ numerous tyres that cost more than the ones on her car etc etc etc were a complete waste of cash!!
im quite enjoying the payback tbh😂😂
So they can be proper outcasts at school?
Look, just do it if it makes you popular, not if you actually enjoy it.
The love on here for Taylor! Like a fine...glass of coke, not that non brand sh1te.
My kids go to plenty of small gigs in Brighton – £25 quid to see bands like Cavetown, Maisie Peters (before she blew up) etc.
I think the live music scene is still pretty healthy – maybe these big gigs even help to get more young people interested?
Fair play, I'm all for kids getting out and doing whatever they like in this day and age when tech at home is such an attraction. (Unless I missed it) I'm surprised people haven't been having more of a go at Ticketmaster and their role in ticket pricing. It even annoyed Taylor .
Pay back for the many times she told me spending 400 quid on a ceramic speed bb were a complete waste of cash!!
Oh no, you deserve everything you get! 😀
I bet for most bands it’s a fun lifestyle they can lead while they are young and they will sack it off when life gets serious.
Yeah thats always been, but a fair few bands would have made a couple of quid in years gone by without making it too big. Nowadays with streaming and the deline of physical sales, making much at all must be tough for 99.9% .
Gaming, YouTube and other tech seems to fill a gap with a lot of kids that music used to fill.
400 quid on a ceramic speed bb
Oh mate.
You better back away from that debate sharpish.
I read somewhere that the tour staff get a $200k bonus each direct from TS, that's gotta come from somewhere.
The show is 3+ hrs long too so £200 for what is supposed to be amazing doesn't seem too bad, you'd be paying that for the Stones etc. £700 not so much unless VIP means meet and greet, catering etc
I can't say anything really about the ticket costs. Last year is paid €360 for an 8 minute ride round the Nurburgring in a 911 GT3 RS with a professional driver. Add in all the other costs (getting there, hotel, obligatory single lap in my own car) and the three day trip came to just under £800. Absolutely worth every penny (on multiple levels) so people spending similar amounts for a 2 hour concert by a big name with a massive show seems like a bit of a bargain compared to that.
Barclays did a report on it earlier this year to suggest UK spending would be boosted by almost £1bn
More or Less on R4 blew that apart. The average ticket's about £200 and the analysis then loaded another £650 each on as average spend. £111 each average for travel. £121 on accommodation.... eating out, new outfits, etc. Seems massively inflated to me. But even if those estimates are right (OP have you set another £1000 aside for the event itself??) then is it really a £1bn boost?
Second hole they brought in, is where is this supposed £1bn coming from? Because reality is that we haven't got £1bn to spend on Swift concerts and the ancillary stuff. It'll be scaling back loads of other expenditure, holidays (admittedly, may have been overseas holidays and therefore money going out of the UK) eating out, new clothes, whatever. No new money spent, just repurposed.
Thirdly - TS is going to make a huge amount from this and while some gets ploughed back in for her own costs while here, for the tax paid as either VAT or her earnings, and so on, still a fair chunk is her own money and will be going abroad after.
So there might be £1bn spend but it's not a £1bn 'boost to the economy' - net for net it's probably taking money out.
Bottom line ALL live music is fab and while its not my cup of tea, I'd far rather see "dreary landfill indie" at an independent venue for under £20 including travel (I can usually walk to the Boileroom), outfit (yep these jeans will do another sweaty evening) and food (maybe some chips afterwards), I hope people have a brilliant time.
unless VIP means meet and greet
Yeah right LOL!!! Every single person going would pay £700 if they would get to meet her personally.
£700 not so much unless VIP means meet and greet, catering etc
The bands I go and see can normally be found near the bar. It's more, 'Excuse me, can I get to the bar please' than meet and greet. 😀
My daughter is going to one of the London concerts, we managed to secure 4 tickets for essentially £600, of which at least £120 was booking fees etc. It involved a rather fraught morning as my daughter was convinced her peers who didn't really like Miss Swift would get tickets whilst her useless father would screw up. Her misgivings were not entirely without foundation, we were in a holiday let in the highlands of Scotland and I was using a borrowed Apple laptop - and I hadn't used an Apple computer in 30 years. When our number in queue came up, my daughter's sense of despondency got worse, but I was pretty confident and tickets were secured in spite of some slip ups due to lack of familiarity with Apple interface. She's into the whole bracelet thing and apparently one's outfit requires a lot of thought.
I think there is a lot of admire about Miss Swift, she gives money to local causes where she holds concerts, she gave enough to a food bank in one city to fund 125,000 meals, it is good PR when people find out about it but she doesn't need to do it. She stands up for her right to her intellectual property and she is generous with her fan base.
There is a specific tax regime for Artists and Sportsmen, which I have never looked at in depth, but it will capture a fair bit of income - Usain Bolt never used to run in UK athletic events (other than major events which have to be exempted from the regime under the hosting agreement} because it would cost him money. It is not like the old days. Whilst it would be an exaggeration to say tax avoidance was responsible for the early global tours, it was a major motivation.
I've turned up early before and ended up shifting a heavy flight case. I'm not paying £700 extra for that.
Yeah right LOL!!! Every single person going would pay £700 if they would get to meet her personally.
I'd rather meet number 37 but again probably not for £700
Pearl Jam – £120 for shit tickets at the back!!!
If other bands would’ve backed them when they took Ticketmaster to court prices may not have risen so much. The last time I saw them it was £40.
Not ashamed to admit that I am a fan. Saw her in London in 2018 and it was a good show - really interesting contrast to the Mogwai show I saw the night before.
She's a gifted musician and songwriter and I'm happy to have her in the mix alongside all the "cool and alternative" gubbins I also listen to.
No hate from me - just sad I couldn't the Mrs a ticket as she's a proper fan.
the mother however, yes she gets reminded of this every day. Pay back for the many times she told me spending 400 quid on a ceramic speed bb/500 quid on a seatpost that goes and down a bit/ numerous tyres that cost more than the ones on her car etc etc etc were a complete waste of cash!!
Served ice-cold, chapeau!
At least Taylor Swift is relevant(as well as being an incredible talent). It looks like one hell of a show too.
As a comparison you should check out the ticket prices for the tired old has-beens milking it on ‘comeback’ gigs
The Eagles ticket prices at the arena started at £120 a pop (for the seats at the back like you’re watching it on telly) most tickets are multiple hundreds and the VIP jobs are thousands. Aren’t half of them dead? So you’re essentially watching a tribute act made up of random pensioners shuffling around a stage
im dreading having to pick them up after the gig, getting in and out of Edinburgh will be an absolute disaster (thanks ScotRail for not putting on any additional trains past 10.30)
Boring anecdote alert....
For works purposes, I was reading some random article about Uber's surge pricing algorithm, and the article cited what happened to Uber prices in New York when Swift played Madison Square Garden.
The gig ended later than planned and lots of gig goers transport plans were thrown into chaos, which led to Uber ride quotes very quickly escalating by something approaching 1600% as demand shot up...you have been warned!
Pay your money and all that, it'll be £1400 well spent for them i'd say, they'll have memories and stories and so on, can't really dislike Taylor Swift, she is like this generations michael jackson and madonna in terms of singer songwriter pop, she is about as smart as anyone in the business, and built and planned this tour with the kind of ability of the apple and tesla sales teams!
Can't really hate on talent, there's enough of the opposite of TayTay on onlyfans, celebrity wifeswap and all that stuff!
I paid £60 to see St. Vincent at the Royal Albert Hall last week.
it was a cracking gig. I was a bit disappointed that Taylor didn’t put in a guest appearance to sing “Cruel Summer”!
thanks ScotRail for not putting on any additional trains past 10.30
Any good?
The Eagles ticket prices
The legacy act ticket prices really grind my gears. They have enough money to keep every one of their descendants in a life of luxury until the end of time, so it really is a cash grab for them.
The concert is on Disney plus!
And it's very well done.
I think she's damn good tbh and I really thought I didn't like her music before I listened to midnights.
£1400 for 2 tickets 😳
I was a professional musician for 18 years. It was rare that I earned £1400 in a month 🙈
Not a fan personally but can still applaud the talent. Not particularly keen on the way she milks her fans, and I’m excluding ticket prices. Kids are fans, seems that when an album is released there are then multiple ways to “possibly win” tickets to see Taylor but but this version of the same album you already bought.
As an aside, family are going to Liverpool next Thursday to see her. We watch a lot of live music so not overly annoyed about the ticket prices.
Now aside from the fact I can’t see the appeal of her awful music in the slightest, I’m reliably informed that Taylor treats her fans amazingly well, but I’d argue those prices are taking the pee pee a bit. I remember seeing U2 back in the day for about 25 quid.
Please let us know who your favourite artist are, so we can all point at you and sneer at you for your execrable taste in music.
You could, on the other hand, accept the fact that there are hundreds of artists out there, most of whom you won’t have heard of, and a very large percentage of those you have you won’t like.
It’s certainly true in my case, but the only stuff I actually consider to be crap is the cookie-cutter producer led garbage on much of commercial radio these days.
I actually quite like much of Taylor’s music, along with Lana Del Ray, they’re both good song writers and singers, and Taylor is very involved with her fanbase.
If you all want to blame anyone for ticket prices, blame Ticketmaster and Live Nation - they hold a near monopoly on venues and ticket prices, also demanding a significant share of the merchandise price as well.
It doesn’t help that some venues sell tickets as pairs, making it very difficult to find a single ticket. I had that problem when I tried to get a ticket for TOOL at The O2, finally found a single return in the block at the back, which cost me £125. Cheap compared to Peter Gabriel at The O2, which had a similar situation with tickets in pairs - I found a single ticket close to the front on the end of a row, which cost £350!
When I saw Kate Bush at Hammersmith, I bought three tickets, with no idea at all where they were situated, turned out I got front row centre, at £149 each, which considering the quality of the performance, and it being the only time she’s ever going to play, was worth every penny.
Tickets for Led Zeppelin at Earls Court on the Physical Graffiti Tour cost me £2.50 each…
TOOL, on Monday - a good view, but having my monocular with me helped me see what they were up to…
It's interesting how much her songwriting has matured since the 'Shake It Off' days and certainly since the country and western stuff. There's some really good tracks on the new album...especially on the 31 track Anthology version. She'll never be everyone's cup of tea but she can play piano and guitar, write her own songs, and puts the effort in to make sure a lot of people enjoy her shows so I can't knock that.
" Kids are fans, seems that when an album is released there are then multiple ways to “possibly win” tickets to see Taylor but but this version of the same album you already bought."
We bought a vinyl version of "Midnights" and that provided a priority code which got us tickets, I don't think that is too bad a way to get tickets to real fans. Yes, there are multiple different vinyl colours and the real obsessive will have to have every one, but that's life.
"My first gig – Iron Maiden, Beast on the Road tour – £2.75."
There was rampant inflation in the early 1980s too. It was £3.50 when I saw them a year later on World Piece. That's a 27% increase in 1 year. Eddie was right to do in Thatcher.
If you all want to blame anyone for ticket prices, blame Ticketmaster and Live Nation
isnt it more a case that streaming has cut revenue from music sales so touring is the money spinner?
Back in the 70s/80s record sales & radio plays generated income, tours were lucky to break even and seem as promotion of the latest album to generate ££.
Wife & daughter got tickets for c£170 at Wembley- don’t feel so bad knowing people forked out £700! They looked at hotels to stay (after the crush/ panic of missing last train after Harry Styles last year) the premier inn at Wembley were £1700 for the Taylor nights
Re tax- read an article this week re the difference for uk artists playing in USA vs US artists playing here. If a foreign artist comes to UK, plays their gigs in a certain amount of time or arriving & buggers offf there’s no cost. Whereas. Uk artists have to pay for visas every time they visit the US (previously visas lasted a year).
Rather aptly I came in from Scouts tonight & they’re watching (again) Eras!
I had the offer of a Foo Fighters ticket at Manc in Aug.. Legit, cost price as paid by someone I know who now can't make it. It's just too much.
I squirmed at the £105 for Joe Bonamassa at the Albert Hall earlier this year (pleb tickets at that) though to be fair he was excellent and I'll do the same again.
Iron Maiden last year at at Brum were about £73 each after booking gouge etc. That almost seems cheap compared to many.
Want value ? Florence Black + 2x support bands at KK's Steel Mill a couple of months back. ****en brilliant gig, good sound quality, proper upcoming talented lads from The Valleys. Hope they become HUGE. all for £14. Fourteen quid ! And about £3.in a local municipal car park, not the typical venue gouging like the NEC
FOURTEEN QUID. + beer was sensibly priced, cup of tea £2, burger or hot dong maybe £3 or something like that.
If we’re gonna play boring old men shouting at clouds here’s my contribution. Evening was warm, beer was cold, cheap and brought to you where you were sat/stood.
I’d genuinely love to go and see Taylor Swift.
If you were a real Taylor Swift fan, you'd look at the price and shake it off. 😉
I hated Cruel Summer, one of the worst earworms! It literally woke me up one night with the chorus running round in my head on repeat. Anti Hero is okay for a pop song, was listening to the lyrics on the radio at work and thought it sounded a bit deep for sodding Heart FM.
I squirmed at the £105 for Joe Bonamassa at the Albert Hall earlier this year (pleb tickets at that) though to be fair he was excellent and I’ll do the same again.
Get a day ticket for Black Deer next Friday and you can see him again for £95. They'll even throw in The Shires, Jade Bird and Courtney Barnett, along with a few others.
This whole thread is basically old men shouting at clouds, you do realise that?Meanwhile there are a lot of young people who are going to have the time of their lives (at least up till now anyway!), have been talking and thinking about it for months and will be talking and thinking about it for months afterwards, no matter how many grumpy old people tell them they won’t!
This exactly. Exactly
I’ve seen a few decent concerts in my time but nothing recently, particularly with the higher prices. I choose (or actually it’s my bank account) not to go, fair enough, but I bet they are great gigs to be there and see it live. There are a few on YouTube with mostly acceptable quality and it looks great. You just can’t get to that level without having talent and the ability to put on such a show.
And I’m surprised nobody’s mentioned it yet, but she is fit.
This whole thread is basically old men shouting at clouds, you do realise that?
Meanwhile there are a lot of young people who are going to have the time of their lives (at least up till now anyway!), have been talking and thinking about it for months and will be talking and thinking about it for months afterwards, no matter how many grumpy old people tell them they won’t!
‘the price of everything and the value of nothing’. I suspect they’ll have a brilliant time so good luck to them.
hot dong maybe £3 or something like that.
Should have had two at that price.
This is not some sort of I'm too cool to listen to Ms Swift post....honest.
But I genuinely don't know how I would have, and it (slightly) troubles me. I listen to 95%+ of my musical input through Spotify. It's a bit of an echo chamber isn't it - I listen to what I know and it suggests stuff I might like based on that. She is never going to appear on any of those playlists. The remaining few percent of my listening is R6 - would she ever appear on R6? I don't work in an environment where there is a radio on in the background. I spend <10mins a month in a shop with Musak on in the background. I genuinely don't know how I'd have heard her work. I guess it could have been used in the soundtrack of a film/TV series I've watched maybe.....
I'm not too fussed about her music. Maybe I'd care more if I knew what it sounded like. But it does concern me that my consumption of music is coming from a smaller and smaller pool. Maybe that's a 50 yr old + thing. It's just slightly odd that I have access to such a vast vast resource like Spotify yet it does not seem to open me up to new material in the way that it could/should.
I’m not too fussed about her music. Maybe I’d care more if I knew what it sounded like. But it does concern me that my consumption of music is coming from a smaller and smaller pool. Maybe that’s a 50 yr old + thing. It’s just slightly odd that I have access to such a vast vast resource like Spotify yet it does not seem to open me up to new material in the way that it could/should.
im not a Spotify officianado - but would it not be easy to type Taylor Swift into its search bar, removing the curiosity on what you are missing and potentially broadening the basis the algorithm uses for recommending new stuff? Or is that your fear - that contaminating your Spotify profile will mean you actually leave your echo chamber?
im not a Spotify officianado – but would it not be easy to type Taylor Swift into its search bar, removing the curiosity on what you are missing and potentially broadening the basis the algorithm uses for recommending new stuff? Or is that your fear – that contaminating your Spotify profile will mean you actually leave your echo chamber
I could. If I cared. But as I say, I don't care that much.
But you missed the point - there is a whole strat of popular but less well known artists than a mega stars like Swift whose name you somehow know through osmosis who I might like but don't even know the name of to type into a search bar.
Maybe I need to make it my weekend mission to actually listen to some of her work. It would be pretty amazing of her if she is did hit the spot with this old man who listens to lots of bagpipes and Celtic fusion AND is popular for the female teenage market. But she might just be that good and I don't know!
I’m not too fussed about her music. Maybe I’d care more if I knew what it sounded like. But it does concern me that my consumption of music is coming from a smaller and smaller pool.
Or listen to commercial radio, or Radio 1 for a bit. You might hate it (OK, we all hate the adverts on commercial radio) but at least you'll know.
Or have some teenagers, or increasingly tweenagers. They broaden your taste (although I'm slowly winning with my daughter or at least meeting her in the middle somewhere....she's a big fan of The Bug Club, not so much TWP yet although she did take her Dad to see them in Brum last year)
With amusing timing I was in the car with someone yesterday listening to some synthy pop, I thought hmmm this is ok wondering what it was, it sounded like a mellow take on some of the post Empire of the Sun or Naked and Famous 80s style stuff. Guess who's new album it was. Without knowing who it was I was quite happy listening to it, thought it was pretty good tbh. Along those lines I thought Lady Gaga was great at what she did too. Quality music of any genre is ok with me - big difference between this and some of the mindless mainstream dirge I hear.
Managed to get 2 last minute tickets for wife and 13-year-old daughter to go to the Edinburgh show last night. £160 a head, but totally decent seats considering what some people forked out. My father's day present had better be Earth-shattering.
I find her music largely shrug-inducing, but that's totally irrelevant, because it's not for me. Also, she does at least have genuine talent as a performer and song-writer. She also puts in a Hell of a shift at her live shows: 3+ hours last night.
I've a friend who played guitar for an act that was supporting the 1975 last year. Taylor came to the London shows and Jamie met her and got a selfie. He seemed chuffed, his girlfriend was miffed because she chose the wrong night to go and missed her. Not the best story but I've nothing more to add about TS.
hot dong maybe £3 or something like that.
Should have had two at that price."
Maybe I did 🙄.
Did I mention I keep breaking spokes and the rims have cracked on the road bike. Can't think why 😖