Serious question (oh god here we go). Sitting on the throne this morning I was wondering if there is a more eco alternative to flushing paper down the loo?
Bidet?
The paper itself is pretty eco if it's recycled. Finding a use for recycled materials is actually pretty handy. Not sure about the processing at the other end. You could put it in a bucket and compost it I suppose.
[b]myti[/b] funny isn't it how this has only recently become public knowledge and your compost will thank you for switching.
I only drink loose tea and my family for decades have been using Sainsbury's Red Label which is "Fairly Traded". It's not as strong as, say, Yorkshire, but does have flavour and it's a lot cheaper.
https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/shop/gb/groceries/loose-tea/sainsburys-red-label-loose-tea-250g
Scroll down for explanation of "Fairly Traded"
[b]DavidB[/b] if only although I believe there's a loo that "sprays" your bottom with water.
I’ll be retiring soon 😆
http://www.dupontteijinfilms.com/
Speaking to our scientist the biggest issue for us using recycled plastics is EU regulations governing what can be used in foodstuff packaging(lots of other regs apparently)
Traded in our diesel 4x4 for a smaller petrol car.
Been biking to work for 40yrs so can’t change that.
MrsT has health problems so as much as she would like to adopt lots of the suggestions above it’s not physically possible. Mobility problems, low immune system and skin problems all mean she has to be very careful on what products she uses and food she eats. Travelling to work is “only” 6mls, 15mins by car or 2 buses and 45mins, an option she cannot use due to above issues.
We use bus and train if and when possible.
Can only afford 1 flying holiday, our kids(grandkids)cannot afford holidays away from home so they are pretty “green”
I’m off the the dump now to recycle my paper and booze bottles......
Then I’m going to make some tubs to plant some bulbs using the wood from our house renovations....
How do bottles get into the sea someone asked? Don’t know about your area but the roadside debris around here is diabolical!!!! Thrown out of cars/lorries it hits the roadside, then washed/blown into ditches/burns/becks to then be washed into rivers that lead to our seashores.............
Already quite committed to a big reduction in our carbon footprint.
Have solar panels , Nissan Leaf Electric car and a Tesla Powerwall 2 battery which stores the energy from the panels for later use.
Apart from the environmental impact of using the EV car, it is proving to be an almost cost free running cost vs petrol or diesel.
The Tesla battery was bought and installed as we won't be buying another ICE car again.
My car spends most of its life sitting outside the house, I guess it averages about 5k/year.
My job, on the other hand, is a logistics driver moving cars around, and I do roughly 1500 miles a week! Still, it’s someone else’s car, and someone else’s fuel, so it doesn’t bother me... 😈
Did look into getting solar panels fitted, with a storage battery, but the shape of the roof meant so few panels could be fitted it wasn’t economically feasible to get it done.
Now, if Tesla solar tiles become available and I could get them fitted for free I’d jump at the chance, but I’m just scraping by financially, it’s impossible for me to pay for anything like that myself.
@DavidB - loo paper made without trees:
Currently feeling that I should be doing more especially with plastic bags, many are used for batch cooking and one alternative is the glass storage containers with plastic lids. Cost is an issue although TX Maxx are selling them but also storage. Should I use foil instead?
Home-made cleaning products are going well, have added loo cleaner and hard floor cleaner. Next to make will be shower gel and hand sanitiser.
Small steps.
Car trips only when absolutely necessary. Do most (90%) of grocery/bits and bobs shopping by bike. This is also selfish as I generally ❤️ cycling and generally dislike driving.
Very impressive MalvernRider and really driving is not a pleasant chore these days.
is this a BPA (also in plastic food bags!)/BPS issue?one alternative is the glass storage containers with plastic lids
this would seem ideal: https://www.clasohlson.com/uk/Coline%20Glass%20Food%20Container/Pr441898001
shame they're out of stock, I paid more than that for my (BPA free) plastic lunch boxes!
I think a lot is to do with cars. Not so much vehicles themselves, but the way in which our distribution and life patterns are based around road traffic. E.g. where you live, supermarkets as opposed to small shops, cold chain distribution etc. Much of the "bad stuff" is associated with this IMO.
We're fortunate to have 3 shops locally that offer re-fills of some sort (grains, Ecover & Bio-D liquids etc), plus two greengrocers and a butcher. That's pretty unusual these days, though, unless you live in a city like we do. We can offset the slightly higher purchase costs against the lack of driving we do.
We've made some modest changes recently, including: bulk buying liquid soap for refills around the house, soap bars for bath / shower, using a clingfilm replacement (beeswax-lined parchment) and going to 100% refills for washing liquids. We've always been pretty eco-conscious, but have tended to the easier changes.
The biggest single use plastics in our household are things like yoghurt, houmous and milk. We have always had doorstep milk deliveries, but at £0.92 a pint it's pretty expensive and so we get a big 4-6 pint plastic bottle every week too. It's time to look at this again.
All my life I've used a milkman so never noticed the milk prices. However 92 pence per pint does sound a lot. Our milkman charges 73 pence per pint. Could you shop around for another milkman?
Organic milk 🙂
@zilog6128 - yes indeed, how do you find them? I think in TX Maxx they were around £5 but can't remember the size.
@Ben_H - goodness, that's quite a selection of local shops! Can I ask where you bought your liquid soap refills from, also very interested in how you find the beeswax lined parchment and presumably it doesn't actually touch food? Thanks.
I see this has resurrected on the back i think of the dishwasher thread. reading with interest, and i already do some of this myself.
However, here's the evil scientist coming along to wee on your chips (not really). Coconut oil isn't that great due to the transportation; swap that out for one of the others olive / sunflower. Might not be as 'creamy' but it'll wash your hands the same.
His recipe is 190g water
Lye-KOH 90% pure 108g
Castor oil 100g
Coconut oil 100g
Olive oil 200g
Sunflower oil 100g
And do me a favour and get some litmus strips, don't just rely on the recipe. If your KOH is a bit lower in purity / higher in moisture, your oils will be part unsaponified which is no great shakes; but if it is a bit higher in activity and/or the oils are a bit low in SAP Index then you could have unreacted KOH in your mix which is not at all good for skin and disastrous if you were to get in your eyes (very corrosive) Get some litmus paper and check it's neutral to slightly acidic (skin is naturally around pH 5.5) and if your mix is slightly on the alkaline side, add in some vinegar dropwise to bring it down.
And I'll refrain at this point from making any comment that in an industrial setting all the Raw Materials will be qc'ed in advance, the process will be highly controlled based on the quality envelope of the RM's, and the end product has to be signed off by a qualified authorized person. Alternatively anyone with an idea and an internet connection can load up a recipe, send people off to Amazon / the supermarket to buy the ingredients and then spread it all over their skin.
Conceptually, I love what you're doing and support your right to do it; just make sure the execution is good please.
oh, and first one to say 'well you would say that, you work for the chemical companies' gets a big organic punch in the face 😉
The biggest single use plastics in our household are things like yoghurt, houmous and milk.
They're reasonably easy to recycle, no?
Our kerbside collection only takes plastic bottles (PET 1 and HDPE 2 only) so that's the milk bottles sorted, but [humble brag alert] I collect all the other plastics (Muller rice pots are type PP for example) in an old kitchen bin in the garage and get great satisfaction emptying it when full at the plastics container at the council tip. Word on the street is that our council will start taking all plastics at the kerbside collection this summer which will bring them in to the 20th century lol.
Used to get milk delivered, but the diesel transit van woke up my neighbours!
@cinnamon_girl
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@theotherjonv - is your recipe for liquid soap as opposed to hand sanitizer? I'm keen to go on a soap making course rather than attempt this myself, bit nervous about lye to be honest and would feel safer being supervised. Do make my own foaming hand soap though, takes 2 minutes. I shall save your recipe and am reassured by your credentials!
Completely get what you're saying and despite using some recipes from the internet I do select my sources carefully, the comments can be very helpful as well as offputting.. This is my go-to book, unable to post image:
www.moralfibres.co.uk/
I'll be washing up by hand rather than using a dish washer 🤲🏻
My Aldi tea bags break down in our compost heap, maybe they don't use plastic???
For me? NO kids and no car no pets. those are the biggest things you can do. Once year or two short haul flights is my main environmental sin - that an an energy inefficient flat ( but its much better than it was)
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Ah ha - the enemy within 😉 got your number now
@CG;
no, that's a repaste of the recipe that Myti's Dad gave you on P1.
The 'recipe' is fine per se, you're just neutralising various oils (which in actuality are fatty acids) with alkali (KOH in this case); it's how 'soap' was 'invented', when caveman dripped animal fats onto soda ash from his cooking fire and found the residue was good for cleaning stuff (may be an oversimplification but the reaction's basically the same).
My reservation is that particularly when using uncontrolled sources - by that i mean you have no real idea of the activity of the material. In layman's terms and particularly as it's a natural ingredient itself consisting of several different chemicals, you don't really know for example how acidic the oil is, etc. In industrial terms the 'acidity (so called SAP index) would be carefully controlled by titration and certified before it was approved for use, etc. Simply following a recipe might not have the constituents in quite the right balance, and as i say a slight deficit in the alkali and the soap will have some unreacted oil, but the other way round and KOH can get quite corrosive quite fast.
So feel free to crack on, but i suggest some litmus paper just to make sure you are on the slightly acidic side of neutral would be a worthwhile investment.
Typing that also just reminded me of the last time i got properly angry at social media activists / bloggers over this stuff.
It was a stupid woman (sorry) who'd got baby shampoo in her kid's eyes, and the kid had screamed blue murder as they all do. Eyes were rubbed, they got sore, and the woman decided she'd check the bottle. She found the INCI* list on the back and saw that it 'contained' hydrochloric acid. Which as any fule kno is extremely corrosive, and 'clearly' was what had caused the problem (it wasn't it's what we routinely use because it's way cheaper and more effective than using vinegar to bring the pH down)
So immediately she posted it on Facebook, all her friends reposted - 'I can't believe Product X contains hydrochloric acid! Disgusting, it should be banned / everyone boycott it immediately / I'm going to sue the manufacturer' and before long it's trending. Someone (not me, I'm not that stupid!) does the honest thing and says 'er, it's only there in a tiny amount, and in fact it won't be there at all because it's only there to react with the left over alkali to adjust the pH of the product down to match baby's skin pH so it's nice and soothing' and of course gets all the 'well you would say that' responses.
I hope she did sue them, and i hope the judge and expert witnesses laughed her all the way to the bank to pick up their costs. (not really, but you get my point that someone with an opinion and an internet connection can be poison to an extremely regulated industry!)
* Inventory of Cosmetic Ingredients - it's an approved list of materials that can be used in personal care formulations and every product has to list them on the package (or in some cases on a product card if the pack is too small - I digress)
(but be prepared for it to arrive in a massive f'off cardboard box 😉 )
I'm going to continue to move away from meat. For intents and purposes I'm pescatarian at the moment and love fish.
I'd like to cut down on dairy but have yet to find an acceptable replacement for natural plain yoghurt (suggestions welcome).
I'm also going to try and cut down on plastic but buying veg in the supermarket seems to come with lots of plastic bags. I don't use the loose ones they give you, but things like Vittoria tomatoes and blueberries all come in plastic.
Like a few here I’ve been trying to cut down on waste in general, specifically plastics.
Best thing so far has been going back to having a milkman deliver three times a week, slightly more expensive than the supermarket but less waste and more convenient.
The surprising thing is that the majority of the rubbish I throw out is single use plastic packaging etc despite trying to avoid it.
Thanks ben_h for those suppliers.
Sorry theotherjonv, I didn't realise. Understand what you're saying and it does make me nervous, may stick to making liquid soap with castile and it's certainly a lot easier and quicker. I don't think anybody is wanting chemicals banned per se but, as you've pointed out, it comes down to understanding what the ingredients are and what they can do.
I'm only following simple recipes, just don't have the energy to be spending hours on my feet. Do sometimes feel like a hoarder with the amount of plastic and glass containers I'm accumulating but they're getting repurposed. For example, the loo cleaner I made (included xanthan gum, glycerine, vinegar) is in a washing up liquid bottle. All properly labelled of course.
@mikey74 - there's dairy-free yoghurts in Tesco and Sainsbo, in the free-from aisle. Tried a coconut one which was rather nice.
Idle musing about plastic bags - no reason why mesh laundry bags couldn't be used when buying fruit and veg. Sorry, unable to show pic but here's the link:
www.lakeland.co.uk/23587/4-White-Mesh-Net-Washing-Bags---Various-Sizes
One of the independent cafe's in our area is allowing you to take in your own water bottle for free tap water. Also 20 pence off any take out hot drinks, when you take your own flask or mug.
On gardener's world, Monty Don was using loo roll holders instead of plastic trays/plant pots for growing seeds and young plants.
Everybody that does something to stop the tide of plastic, is making it less cool and unacceptable to be walking round with plastic bottles of water and takeaway cups of hot drinks.
Well done to your local cafe Bunnyhop and hope that customers appreciate its eco credentials by using that facility.
Completely agree with your last paragraph but don't know whether some folk just tune out or genuinely don't give a stuff.
This could be interesting (if you could actually fathom the rather shoddy website)
I think the idea is not to use any electricity for an hour, but it also says you could host a gig, which kind of defeats the object. Go for a night ride might be best for us lot. Get the lights charged before 8:30 though.. 🙂
OK, that just comes across as a gesture rather than a commitment to making changes. It's not a movement as such. Sorry, rather cynical!
@mikey74 – there’s dairy-free yoghurts in Tesco and Sainsbo, in the free-from aisle. Tried a coconut one which was rather nice.
Thanks, but I've tried many of them: They generally taste pretty bad and have added sugar. I like the Coyo stuff but it's stupidly expensive and very calorific.
I've also stopped buying and using the foam style wiping and cleaning cloths.
Bits were coming off them and getting into the water course. I now use the old fashioned white coloured knitted style dish cloths, which are wrapped in a piece of paper when you buy them.
Just need to find something that isn't sponge or plastic to wash up with. Any ideas please?
Recently bought one of these
Helps to reduce the amount of microfibers going down the plug hole.
Only buy bars of soap as opposed to showergel etc. I wish someone at the toothpaste manufacturers would make more responsible packaging. Buying a significantly less amount of plastic packaged food.
I'll be continuing to ride to work, injuries permitting, and even if I reconcile with the wife I'll try and keep taking the kids to school/nursery by bike once a week (it totally does not fit in with my job, but it means I can see them a night in the week and she can have a night off in the week).
I'll be encouraging her to take kids by bike/walk too (although there are reasonably valid reasons she uses the car currently).
I might even try out public transport for getting to the climbing wall 10 miles away (if it's just me I cycle, but not really practical with kid(s).).
I might get around to offsetting the carbon from my lifestyle (but probably won't as I've been thinking of doing this for years).
mikey74 - perhaps make your own? Plenty of folk are making kefir although it doesn't appeal to everyone's taste buds.
Bunnyhop that's a very good point, why can't you use that type of cloth for washing up but obviously keeping them separate? Strongly recommend having a look around www.moralfibres.co.uk, in fact Wendy in a recent blog discussed bathroom products and linked to an eco, not plastic, shower puff.
surroundedbyhills yes, linked to those in a recent post where I suggested using them for fruit and veg when shopping. Again Wendy at www.moralfibres.co.uk discusses bathroom products packaging. Not easy to find soap that's not wrapped in plastic!
philjunior - very impressive and what fun for kids to go to school by bike.
Blimey! That Guppy bag costs £26! It's a bit of net curtain, do we know anyone handy with a sewing machine on here???!!!
c-g - haha. I did make some fabric shopping bags, however I realised quickly that sending them out to people was going to be costly and a pain in the posterior.
Our local independent health food shop sells home made soap bars wrapped in paper.
Bunnyhop - definitely has potential as a business opportunity doesn't it! Sorry that making bags didn't work out but surely folk weren't expecting something for nothing?
I bet that home made soap is lovely too and surely paper wrapping has to be better for the product. A supplier I use sells home-made blocks of soap with a pre-curing weight of 5kg, that should last a while!
Have found soap in the local health food shop, which hasn't got any wrapping at all.
Also the local book shop sells some greetings cards without the plastic cover. The back of the card is slipped into the envelope, enabling the buyer to see the front.
We have an ethical supermarket that sells soak without packaging, lots of loose dried goods and does refills for liquids.
Have come across some interesting items ... remember that shower thread? Well, here's a non-plastic washable shower puff made from an ancient fibre and shall definitely be buying one:
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More details here:
www.allnaturalsoap.co.uk/shop/accessories/natural-shower-puff/#product-meta
Has anyone tried a shampoo bar? I'd noticed very mixed reviews for them but this one seems popular:
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More details here:
www.allnaturalsoap.co.uk/shop/men/shampoo-bar/
Shampoo powder? What's that all about? Seeds from the Shikakai plant's pods ground into fine powder apparently.
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More here:
www.allnaturalsoap.co.uk/shop/sensitive-skin/shampoo-powder/#product-meta
I'm still singing the praises of white vinegar, it's been used to kill weeds and also descaled a shower head with hose. Have trialled another brand and it's definitely less pungent than the previous brand.
The recipe I followed for making a hand sanitizer was disappointing and will need some tweaking.
Am a total convert to raw milk, purchased some glass bottles from the farm and just use those in the vending machine. Happy to support a local business.
Looking forward to updates from others!
At the risk of talking to myself here is a stunningly brilliant idea involving inflatables, paddling pools etc and, what's more, the finished products look amazing:
http://moralfibres.co.uk/how-to-recycle-inflatables-paddling-pools/
I remember someone was using beeswax to cover food items, any chance of an update please? How long have you been using it for and does it look as though there's plenty of life left in it?
Anyone using non-disposable cloths ie for washing up, wiping kitchen surfaces? Would be interested to hear any comments especially with regard to durability, don't really want anything that falls apart after 10 washes.
Interesting blog and although it's US based there's a feature on zero waste grocery shopping in London:
https://www.litterless.com/journal/zero-waste-bulk-food-grocery-stores-london
One for the ladies namely to do with loo paper. I nearly wet myself laughing at this post from:
https://www.litterless.com/journal/zero-waste-toilet-paper
"At home, I've reduced my toilet paper use by cutting up my husband's old white undershirts (some he had since HS). I cut them about the size of 2-3 squares of TP and keep them in a cloth baggie next to our toilet. I like to use the white cloth scraps bc it resembles TP. I use it to wipe my #1, then toss it into a plastic chinese soup take out container that I leave under our sink. I then empty that into our laundry hamper when it gets full. I wash it along with the rest of my undies in hot water setting. We still keep the roll of TP around but one roll now lasts for weeks. For #2, I use the regular TP or the bidet."
The more I thought about this, the more it made sense but is it a step too far??? The idea of a roll of loo paper lasting for weeks is definitely appealing from a zero waste point of view and an economic one.
I'm still trying to do my bit for the environment with a huge reduction in plastic containers ending up in my recycling bin. In fact the only cleaning product I buy now is for unblocking the sink, everything else I make. The downside is buying in bulk and storing it but it can be done.
Let's hear your updates!
started using Splosh - www.splosh.com - for household cleaning products following a recommendation on here.
Not done that well since summer kicked in and work/doing fun outdoor stuff overtook time to spend on homemade things although we bought a natural sponge for the dishes but haven't tried it yet as finishing up the pack of scourers we had. Switched my dog onto raw food diet and it comes in compostable cartons so no more tins or plastic food sacks. Stopped buying clingfilm and use tuperware or put a plate over things or use a plastic bag that has been saved from something else like empty pasta bag etc. Tried shampoo bar but it made my hair horrible so abandoned that.
A girl on the telly had crocheted some small circles, which she used for face cleansing and removal of make up. These then got washed in the laundry. She's saved on using and throwing out lots of cotton wool wipes and tissue.
I don't own a car, I rent the size of vehicle I need if I need one, I use a community shared car for supermarket trips if needed. I use public transport, ride to work when I can and recycle as much as possible.
Cut as many plastic bottles out as I can and try and carry a reusable water bottle when I need one.
None of that is too hard to stick to which helps a lot.
Cinnamon_girl:
We've had our beeswax wraps for about 5 months. Between the wraps and Tupperware, we've not used clingfilm since.
They just need a little wash in cold water with soap (refilled Bio-D, naturally ;-). They're mainly used to cover cheeses in our household.
My wife tells me that there are YouTube videos showing how you can make your own!
My next 'saving our planet job', is to dissuade people from buying and using glitter.
It's used on children for face painting, which then goes down the plug hole when getting washed off, ending up in our water courses.
There was a headmistress somewhere that banned it's use in her school.
I watched this last night, worth a watch if anyone missed it.
the secret life of landfill - A Rubbish history
Transferred to a renewable energy provider.
Bought an electric car for the family car and I now cycle more than 70% of my mileage. Fuel cost has dropped from £240/m to £35 and £15 of electric. We're essentially a 1 car and a bike family for 80+% of our time.
Replaced all bulbs in the house with LED.
Sealed as many gaps in the house as I can find.
My solar panels are ordered and will be installed in March next year along with a powerwall.
Haven't used a disposable coffee cup for over 12 months. If I don't have my reusable cup with me, I either sit in or cant have it.
Have used only a handfull of carrier bags in a year.
Installed a smart thermostat and a smart meter.
Have started working for Pod Point (electric car charger company)!
Fix the chargers at Bath uni please?!
Sorry, not keeping up!
surroundedbyhills love the idea of buying concentrates and adding your own water. That company have come up with some great ideas.
myti well done on giving up clingfilm and sounds as though you're really making an effort. Plastic bag usage I'm finding tricky to reduce ie bin liners, putting food portions in freezer. Perhaps I should just reuse them like what you're doing.
Bunnyhop yes I've seen those here:
http://moralfibres.co.uk/diy-reusable-cotton-wool-pads/
Glitter and, yes, you're right in dissuading folk from buying it:
http://moralfibres.co.uk/eco-friendly-alternatives-to-glitter/
Ben_H so glad you've seen this and it's encouraging to hear of your good experience with beeswax wrap. One q especially as you're using it with cheese - does it retain any odour once it's been washed? I shall check out theYoutube vids, thanks for the tip!
Kev shall check that out, thanks.
Daffy blimey, you're on a roll! That's a massive saving on fuel especially over a year. What's a powerwall? Seriously impressed with your achievements, well done.
Mike community shared car sounds good, does it have to be pre-booked or what?
Zero waste shop: anyone use one? They seem to be springing up around the UK although nowhere near me! As a one person household the idea of buying smaller amounts definitely appeals and may well encourage me to eat a more varied diet.
Am ready to roll with making beeswax wraps but unfortunately items are gathering dust due to lack of energy. Oh well.
What changes have you all been making then?
This year we'll probably be having another unsuccessful round of IVF, thereby failing to breed and not having any money left for material consumption.
Other than that we car share or cycle to work, and have reduced meat consumption, usually buying local from farm shop.
wonny j, that sounds very sad and tough to deal with.
Did you find it difficult to reduce your meat consumption? Were you eating it every day?
Picking up on this one,
@cinnamon_girl - we haven't found it very difficult, although it has involved a lot of "experimental cooking" to find out what sort of things we like cooking. Dhals are now a favourite.
We definitely weren't big meat eaters in the first place.
Plastic bag usage I’m finding tricky to reduce ie bin liners, putting food portions in freezer
You can get re-usable silicone bags for freezer food.
We also drastically reduced meat consumption in our house recently since my daughters have gone "pesci" - my wife an I remain "flexi" - haven't found it that hard actually and am quite enjoying investigating and experimenting with a lot of N African and E Mediterranean spice mixes, I alos like that sweet potatoes come unwrapped. Big issue with the fish is that the plastic it inevitably come wrapped in is black, which is harder to recycle - if it gets recycled at all that is. Also just moved to glass milk bottles being delivered, which has a retro cool about it but is a bit of an eye opener at 80p per pint.
Big issue with the fish is that the plastic it inevitably come wrapped in is black, which is harder to recycle – if it gets recycled at all that is.
Go to a proper fishmongers or if you must use supermarket, Morrisons lets you take in your own container.
A zero waste shop is opening down the road from me so I should be able to start buying cleaning /washing products there, taking my own bottles and also dried goods like grains, nuts and seeds. It will take a bit of discipline though to not just buy everything at the supermarket in one big shop as I currently do. I hope they are not ridiculously overpriced though as that will make it a harder decision.
Proper fishmongers are becomingly increasingly rare.
Well I've got a bag of inner tubes up in the loft and a couple of sewing machines I could potentially use to knock some stuff up. No doubt easy to get a good supply as well.
Industrial amounts of vinegar were purchesed from the Chinese C&C and handed out to family.
Sister in law gave us beeswax cloths for Christmas.
Eating less meat, hoping to catch my own but we'll see how that goes. Thinking rabbits and pheasant, apparantly my dad is never done seeing the daft beggars getting hit by cars.
Other than that I've not got very far, I do intend on getting more done this year.
I hear you on the retro appeal of milk bottles. 😊
My girlfriend chased down our milkman(!) to get him to start delivering. Whenever I worry/quibble about prices of milk/juice/coffee, I remember how much a pint of beer now costs and I’m happy again.
Happy to see this thread is still going!
wonny j - experimental cooking sounds good, so easy to make the same old same old when really there's so many recipes online and just needs a bit of effort.
molgrips - really, where from please? I've been batch cooking today following a meat shop yesterday meaning dozens of plastic bags have been used and feel guilty.
myti - lucky you and do report back. I think they're a great idea from the point of just buying the quantity you think you need resulting in less waste. I would buy more spices and dried goods for example if they weren't in industrial sized quantities with a shortish sell by date.
squirrelking - another white vinegar fan eh?! Love the idea of hunting for food if you're a good shot, pheasant makes a tasty meal.
Another glass milk bottle fan, filled with raw Jersey milk from a local farm.
Not had a car for over 15 years. Did it for money reasons initially but now could not justify owning one. Mainly just one person moving at a time and at a time of choice so trains work well.
And I love riding bikes everywhere.
I've stopped using bubblewrap for parcels and use scrunched up newspaper instead.
Err thats it for now apart from a 'less meat, more rice and veg" diet.
The problem with this is that if you truly want to be eco-conscious you wouldn't be able to do anything, other than live a miserable subsistence existence. You certainly wouldn't be riding a modern bike - aluminium and carbon fibre are not materials that are particularly great for the environment when you take into account all the factors of their production.
I find the notion of limiting personal freedom (cars, travel etc0, very worrying, especially when individuals call on governments to have responsibility for enforcing it.
As for limiting air travel, has anyone considered the effect that this might have on developing countries that rely heavily on tourism and few other economic resources?
As with all of these things, reality is a lot more complicated than the rather simplistic 'this thing is bad, this thing is good'.
Unfortunately, humans have an obsession with apocalyptic scenarios (much of the middle ages was spent with the assumption that the end of the world was nigh), and the environment has become a suitable cause for the type of zealot who a few centuries ago would have been obsessed with Revelations.
JP
Keep up the good work JP!
The problem with this is that if you truly want to be eco-conscious you wouldn’t be able to do anything, other than live a miserable subsistence existence. You certainly wouldn’t be riding a modern bike – aluminium and carbon fibre are not materials that are particularly great for the environment when you take into account all the factors of their production.
Why does it need to be so black and white? I think that doing a bit/adjusting your behaviour where you can is still worthwhile. It's not like if you don't go live in a mud hut and live off the land then it's all pointless, doing things like cutting back on plastic is no bad thing.
Has anyone tried a shampoo bar?
Yes, the one that we have at the moment works but having used it makes your hair feel really squeaky until it's dried at which point it feels fine.
I'm not saying that taking measures to recycle, cut down on plastic use, etc are not worthwhile - I'm just pointing out that a single minded pursuance of an eco agenda does not necessarily lead us to some sort of modern utopia.
JP
jjprestidge - as someone who regularly asks myself whether I could make less impact/change what I do/think before I buy/monitor what goes in dustbin in order to do better etc etc., it's these small changes that help and multiplied they have a bigger impact. As chvck says, it doesn't need to be so black and white. We just need to think about what we're doing.
Shampoo bar - thanks for that, am still holding off!
Quick review on the shower puff pictured at the top of the page - made from ramie which is a natural fibre. Not easy to get a lather without adding extra shower gel, mildly exfoliating. Biggest bugbear was that it didn't dry out. Rather disappointing overall.
The problem with this is that if you truly want to be eco-conscious you wouldn’t be able to do anything, other than live a miserable subsistence existence.
Don't think it's quite like this. The planet can support a certain amount of people living their life at a certain level. The trick is finding that level, where if everyone on average lived at that level then the natural world would replenish at a rate equal to or greater than the population consumes it.
That doesn't mean we can't have things, do things and go places. We just need to tone it down and make beter decisions. Personally, for me I think it's too late sadly, there are far too many selfish people and people with their heads in the sand to turn it around now.
How some people are going to be able to look their grandchildren in the eyes in future, I don't know. There are no excuses for the rampant consumerism we have now, the impact this is having on the natural world and the problems stacking up for future generations to deal with is well documented. Choosing to ignore it is a personal decision, entirely down to self-absorbed, entitled, selfish lazy attitudes. Putting your wants above others needs.
Don’t think it’s quite like this. The planet can support a certain amount of people living their life at a certain level. The trick is finding that level, where if everyone on average lived at that level then the natural world would replenish at a rate equal to or greater than the population consumes it.That doesn’t mean we can’t have things, do things and go places. We just need to tone it down and make beter decisions. Personally, for me I think it’s too late sadly, there are far too many selfish people and people with their heads in the sand to turn it around now.
How some people are going to be able to look their grandchildren in the eyes in future, I don’t know. There are no excuses for the rampant consumerism we have now, the impact this is having on the natural world and the problems stacking up for future generations to deal with is well documented. Choosing to ignore it is a personal decision, entirely down to self-absorbed, entitled, selfish lazy attitudes. Putting your wants above others needs.
All of this.
It's the same sort of thinking that makes people vote certain ways. If you tend to think 'me, now' then I reckon you're more likely to vote UKIP>tory whereas if you think 'others, later' you're more likely to vote liberal<Green.
'Others, later' is the way we should all be trying to live our lives.
Well thanks to TFGM, this month the zonal pricing on the trams has cut the cost of my commute, made driving to work much less appealing and made public transport more flexible
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Don’t think it’s quite like this. The planet can support a certain amount of people living their life at a certain level. The trick is finding that level, where if everyone on average lived at that level then the natural world would replenish at a rate equal to or greater than the population consumes it.
That doesn’t mean we can’t have things, do things and go places. We just need to tone it down and make beter decisions. Personally, for me I think it’s too late sadly, there are far too many selfish people and people with their heads in the sand to turn it around now.
How some people are going to be able to look their grandchildren in the eyes in future, I don’t know. There are no excuses for the rampant consumerism we have now, the impact this is having on the natural world and the problems stacking up for future generations to deal with is well documented. Choosing to ignore it is a personal decision, entirely down to self-absorbed, entitled, selfish lazy attitudes. Putting your wants above others needs.
All of this.
It’s the same sort of thinking that makes people vote certain ways. If you tend to think ‘me, now’ then I reckon you’re more likely to vote UKIP>tory whereas if you think ‘others, later’ you’re more likely to vote liberal<Green.
‘Others, later’ is the way we should all be trying to live our lives.
I understand your points, but I think this is overly simplistic. I'm a natural liberal, (big and small L) and am firmly in the remain camp in relation to the EU. However, I have a strong dislike of policies that encroach on the traditional notions of liberalism.
I would suggest that moderation and changing of habits can have a beneficial effect on the environment. What will ultimately produce the most wide ranging and meaningful results, though, will be technological solutions. When we try to predict the state of the environment in 100 years' time we're doing something akin to the Victorian Tory politician who predicted that London streets would be 6ft deep with horse excrement by the end of the 20th Century, given the expected rate of population growth at the time.
JP
