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That said I have a hope that it will raise his profile enough to get him a posthumous VC
A VC citation signed off by Monty and still rejected. Fingers crossed.
Here's the citation.
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“Inspired by true events” and not a history lesson. But of course, the I’ve-read-a-book-about-the-SAS people feel the need to prove how knowledgeable they are.
The problem is that, if you use real people’s names and historical events, it’s natural for the audience to assume that it’s historically accurate. If you want to make a drama, better to just create fictional characters with fictional names.
But then the dullards who can't do critical thinking won't be pulled in by the letters S A S and there wouldn't be a second series.
Thanks for posting that RM.
And while I'm being a turbo-nerd, here are the DSO citations:
1. Lieutenant - Royal Ulster Rifles - 24th. February 1942
Citation:
At Sirte on 12/13 December this officer was instrumental in leading and succeeded in destroying with a small party of men, many aeroplanes, a bomb dump and a petrol dump. He led this raid in person and himself destroyed and killed many of the enemy. The task set was of the most hazardous nature, and it was due to this officer's courage and leadership that success was achieved. I cannot speak too highly of this officer's skill and devotion to duty.
2. Captain (Temporary Major) - Belfast Infantry - 21st. October 1943 Second DSO awarded as a bar on the ribbon of the first DSO
Citation:
Operation "Husky", Sicily, On July 10th 1943 & 12th July 1943, Major R.B.Mayne carried out two successful operations. The first, capture and destruction of coastal defence battery on Capo Murro Di Porco, the outcome of which was vital to the safe landing of XIII Corps. By nightfall 10/7/43, Special Raiding Squadron had captured three additional Btys, 450 prisoners as well as killing 200 to 300 Italians The second, the capture and holding of the town of Augusta. The landing was carried out in daylight, a most hazardous combined operation. By the audacity displayed the Italians were forced from their positions in masses and most valuable stores and equipment was saved from certain destruction. In both these operations it was Major Mayne's courage, determination and superb leadership which proved the key to success. He personally led his men from the landing craft in the face of heavy machine gun fire and in the case of the Augusta raid, mortar fire. By these actions he succeeded in forcing his way to ground where it was possible to form up and sum up the enemy's defences.
3. Major - Army Air Corps - 29th. March 1945
Third DSO awarded as second bar on the ribbon of the first DSO.
Citation:
Lt.Col. R.B.Mayne DSO has commanded 1st SAS Regt throughout the period of operations in France. On 7th August 44 he was dropped to the "HOUNDSWORTH" base located west of Dijon in order to co-ordinate and take charge of all available detachments of his Regiment and co-ordinate their action with a major airborne landing which was then envisaged near Paris. He then proceeded in a jeep in daylight to motor to the "GAIN" base near Paris making the complete journey in one day. On the approach of Allied forces he passed through the lines in his jeep to contact the American forces and lead back through the lines his detachment of 20 jeeps landed for operation "WALLACE". During the next few weeks he successfully penetrated the German and American lines in a jeep on four occasions in order to to lead parties of reinforcements.
It was entirely due to Lt.Col. Mayne's fine leadership and example, and due to his utter disregard of danger that the unit was able to achieve such striking success.
4. Lieutenant Colonel (Temporary) - 1st. Special Air Service Regiment - Army Air Corps, Belfast - 11th. October 1945
Citation:
On Monday April 9th 1945, Lt.Col.R.B.Mayne was ordered by the GOC 4th Canadian Armoured Division to lead his Regiment (then consisting of two armoured jeep squadrons) through the British lines and infiltrate through the German lines. His general axis of advance was N/East towards the city of Oldenburg, with the special task of clearing a path for the Canadian armoured cars and tanks, and also causing alarm and disorganisation behind the enemy lines. As subsequent events proved the task of Lt.Col. Mayne's force was entirely and completely successful. This success however was solely due to the brilliant military leadership and cool calculating courage of Lt.Col.Mayne who, by a single act of supreme bravery drove the enemy from a strongly held key village thereby breaking the crust of the enemy defences in the whole of this sector.
The following is a detailed account of the Lt.Col's individual action which called for both unsurpassed heroism and cool clear sighted military knowledge.
Lt.Col.Mayne on receiving a wireless message from the leading squadron reporting that it was heavily engaged by enemy fire and that the squadron commander had been killed immediately drove forward to the scene of the action. From the time of his arrival until the end of the action Lt.Col. Mayne was in full view of the enemy and exposed to fire from small arms, machine guns, sniper rifles and Panzerfausts. On arrival he summed up the situation in a matter of seconds and entered the nearest house alone and ensured the enemy here had either withdrawn or been killed. He then siezed a Bren gun and magazines and single handly fired burst after burst into a second house, killing or wounding the enemy there and also opened fire on the woods. He then ordered a jeep to come forward and take over his fire position before returning to the forward position where he disposed the men to the best advantage and ordered another jeep to come forward. He got into the
jeep and with another officer as rear gunner drove forward past the position where the Squadron Commander had been killed a few minutes previously and continued to point a hundred yards ahead where a further section of jeeps were halted by intense and accurate enemy fire. This section had suffered casualties and wounded owing to the heavy enemy fire and the survivors were unable at that time to influence the action in any way until the arrival of Lt.Col.Mayne. The Lt.Col. continued along the road all the time engaging the enemy with fire from his own jeep. Having swept the whole area with close range fire he turned his jeep around and drove down the road again, still in full view of the enemy. By this time the enemy had suffered heavy casualties and had started to withdraw. Never the less they maintained intense fire on the road and it appearded almost impossible to extricate the wounded who were in a ditch near to the forward jeeps. Any attempt of rescuing these men under those conditions appeared virtually suicidal owing to the highly concentrated and accurate fire of the enemy. Though he fully realised the risk he was taking Lt.Col.Mayne turned his jeep round once more and returned to try and rescue these wounded. Then by superlative determination and displaying gallantry of the very highest degree and in the face of intense enemy machine gun fire he lifted the wounded one by one into the jeep, turned round and drove back to the main body. The entire enemy positions had been wiped out, the majority of the enemy having been killed or wounded leaving a very small percentage who were now in full retreat. The Squadron having suffered no further casualties were able to continue their advance and drive deeper behind the enemy to complete their task of sabotage and destruction of the enemy.
Finally they reached a point 20 miles ahead of the advance guard of the advancing Canadian Division thus threatening the rear of the Germans who finally withdrew. From the time of the arrival of Lt.Col.Mayne his gallantry inspired all ranks. Not only did he save the lives of the wounded but he also completly defeated and destroyed the enemy.
Still think it's amazing how we was rejected for the VC for that action..
But of course, the I’ve-read-a-book-about-the-SAS people feel the need to prove how knowledgeable they are.
Not that at all, more that, if you read RM's post's above at Maine, the the real man, his actions and those of the SAS/ SRS were probably just as, if not more, unbelievable than the TV series, i personally think it would of been better if had more grounding in reality or more like the book upon which it is based, and they didn't need to "guy ritchie" what is already an amazing story.
It's a personal thing i guess.
As to having read-a-book knowledge, i’ve served along side some members of SAS as an FO directing artillery fire support onto targets from my mob, 7 Para RHA in Iraq and before that in Sierra Leone, you?
Working with mental hard men doesn't make you a mental hard man yourself. I mean, I remember drinking (The Intrepid Fox, Soho, approx 1990) with a Para who'd served in the Falklands. It doesn't mean I'm an expert on penguiins.
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You'd not want to be an expert on Falklands penguins, they stink....
The boathouse door.......and what colour to paint it? Is that covered in Series2?
The boathouse door…….and what colour to paint it? Is that covered in Series2?
There's a boathouse?
In Hear-ford apparently.
Edited to add - slow forum killed my joke.
Any references to “flatpacking”?
No, although IKEA was established in 1943 their furniture didn't go global until 1963 so doubt the term entered the English speaking lexicon that early.
After reading those reports it is inconceivable to think there could be any reason he wasnt awarded the VC, or for that matter fkkking knighted and offered a country estate. Something that appeared to be the thing for other leaders in other earlier campaigns. When you think about Lord Cardigan, Lord such and such, all immensely rewarded for their efforts and victories.
A VC citation signed off by Mont
And while I’m being a turbo-nerd, here are the DSO citations:
Bloody hell.
*doffs cap*
Really enjoyed the first season but, after flogging through the first four episodes of this one I'm oot. Totally jumped the shark. Even the music choices are poor/irrelevant.
Yeah I'm a bit 'meh' on this second series, I don't know if it's Paddy Maines constant lip curled shouting at everyone, Dominic West not having a crack at Eve Mansour (or certainly on camera). I know it won't have band of brothers budget but it feels a bit 'small' and almost doesn't do their exploits any favours whereas the first series action sequences felt 'bigger'.
Also a bit slow in places - David Stirling incarceration dragged. I fast forwarded quite a bit.
Yep I keep dropping off in it. J O'C is just irritating me.
Connor Swindells sorely missed in action here
Glad it isn't just me, I've found series 2 to be tedious.
I find it entertaining but silly. It seems about as realistic as Lioness to me.
After reading those reports it is inconceivable to think there could be any reason he wasnt awarded the VC
Second guessing why certain medals weren't handed out 80 years down the line, is probs a waste of time. The soldier in the jeep alongside Maine wasn't cited for any medal at all, let alone a VC. It's hardly a rigorous exercise, I doubt there was any foul play or nefarious intent.
Second guessing why certain medals weren’t handed out 80 years down the line, is probs a waste of time. The soldier in the jeep alongside Maine wasn’t cited for any medal at all, let alone a VC. It’s hardly a rigorous exercise, I doubt there was any foul play or nefarious intent.
There was a pilot named Adrian Warburton who got a DSO and bar and DFC and 2 bars, but no VC. If you read up on him he did some proper crazy stuff in full view of the enemy.
He was quite happy with this at the time, his logic being that the VC was usually awarded posthumously.
Guy Gibson got one for the Dams Raid. Nobody else in his aircraft did.
If Paddy had died in that Jeep would there have been a different outcome?
Was about to suggest he did not get it as he survived.
Anders Lassen got a VC after he died in Italy.
99p for the Kindle biography of Paddy Mayne today
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Paddy-Mayne-Col-Blair-Regiment-ebook/dp/B0078XH7L2
The best biography I've read recently
Isn't exactly a glowing review is it!?
Yeah watching S2.
The music is great but almost all of the rest of it makes me feel uneasy.
That Irish leader guy is really effin annoying.
Not into it particularly.
Isn’t exactly a glowing review is it!?
Lol! Does anyone take notice of the blurb crap they splash on book covers? I know I don't
Lol! Does anyone take notice of the blurb crap they splash on book covers? I know I don’t
From what I recall, the blurb in the issue of The Wasp Factory I read quoted a reviewer describing it as "a work of unparalleled depravity." I was sold.
Blagged a lift from an orienteering event back to Hereford. Military landrover. There was a catch - driver was not going to stop outside the station if the lights were green. Yes I was expected to and did jump. Epic trolling. He may of course been up at Marden but I think that had closed by then.
Paddy Mayne was from a wealthy background, he wouldn’t speak like someone from the Shankill Road.
Indeed he wouldn’t have. Jack O’Connell also doesn’t speak like someone from the Shankill
To go against the flow what, we enjoyed season 2. Knowing it's the same team that makes Peaky Blinders, you know what you're in for and, if that's what you like, then it's basically more of the same in Rogue Heroes. Plenty of books & documentaries on the SAS for those who want the true history
I've just waded through the Korea, Vietnam and SAS books by Hamish Ross. Interesting, but bloody hell, I had to keep notes to remember who the players were. The books to me seem to have a very confusing style; jumping between time lines, campaigns and characters. Must be what they refer to as the fog of war. Hard work but very sobering.
Ignore that...different author but similar styles.
BBC News - SAS Rogue Heroes: Gentleman Jim was 'quiet but deadly'
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98yger1emdo
I just read that article – amazing brave men. But that hat…..
I don't suppose many people laughed at it more than once 🙂
WW2 era head dress (berets) were something to behold. Although you still do see the occasional horror that requires gripping.
I don’t suppose many people laughed at it more than once
I remember from my cadet days that the capbadge is supposed to be aligned to the outside half of the left eye.
I suspect anyone commenting on Jim's beret may have found find their left eye socket aligned broadly with their ear, making the orientation of his broadly correct.
They'd also possibly find their nose aligned with their right cheek, and their teeth aligned with the floor.
@relapsed_mandalorian Is wearing a new beret in the shower to make it shrink still a thing?
@theotherjonv Wasn’t there a subplot in S1 about headgear related fights?
They lost me when they walked from sea level up to the top of Etna and back in a day. Over 3000m of ascent and back down?
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@relapsed_mandalorian Is wearing a new beret in the shower to make it shrink still a thing?
Sort of, not my preferred option mind. The key to shrinking is the soaking in very hot and then plunging into very cold water, which contract these wool and allows it to be shaped.
Wring it out, shake out the creases then plonk it in yer bonce and shape it. I used to take it off carefully and put it on a radiator or in a drying room to dry.
Some opt to remove the cotton liner for tighter lines and a sharper shape.
Some opt to remove the cotton liner for tighter lines and a sharper shape.
Such behaviour in my battalion would have found you outside the Guard room at 1800 and 2200 and being billed for a new beret 🙂
Just got through episode 4. Does it get better???
I want to like it but it's going downhill.
I'll stick with it, but don't want to get my hopes up for an improvement that doesnt happen.
I liked series 2 better than series 1, so shoot me.
I didnt care about facts, it was entertaining, but yet a poignant reminder of the horror we can inflict on each other.
To a great if irrelevant soundtrack
I liked series 2 better than series 1, so shoot me.
I didnt care about facts, it was entertaining, but yet a poignant reminder of the horror we can inflict on each other.
To a great if irrelevant soundtrack
This for me, I really enjoyed it.
I binged the last 3 episodes and found it gripping.
Can't wait for the next series
errrr... the 'next' series, if there is one, following the SAS involvement on and after D-Day - would be a hard watch wouldn't it?