[Closed] San Fran bans the douche flute....

How inevitable 🙂

Its what I love about Vape shops - the aesthetics of a business ready to grab the cash box and run out the back door. The whole industry knows its on borrowed time.

I've been meaning to start photographing them before they disappear.

Maybe its time to bring back Skoal Bandits

What will the good people of San Francisco suck on now?

What will the good people of San Francisco suck on now?

Back to the diversity training for you, pp.

I’ve been meaning to start photographing them before they disappear.

...in a puff of smoke presumably?

Back to the diversity training for you, pp.

I'm not as flexible as I used to be but i'll give it a go.

Great move. Nobody smokes cannabis anymore since it was wiped out by banning - I see no reason this cannot be equally successful.

So vape user's move back to cigarettes then sue the City for their cancers ? I've no idea of the long term effects of vaping but it's got to be better than cigarettes surely. At least every medical opinion I've heard of thinks so.

Yet still sells tobacco?

Pretty dumb move.

Nobody smokes cannabis anymore since it was wiped out by banning – I see no reason this cannot be equally successful.

Not banned, just banned the sale of.

Great move. Nobody smokes cannabis anymore since it was wiped out by banning

douche flute

Chad Hogan?

Oh well. Looks like its back to...

douche flute

😂😂😂😂😂 Brilliant. Did you make that one up yourself?

So vape user’s move back to cigarettes then sue the City for their cancers ? I’ve no idea of the long term effects of vaping but it’s got to be better than cigarettes surely. At least every medical opinion I’ve heard of thinks so.

Yup every cancer scientist & oncologist I know thinks it's better.

The problem California government has, is that they are being marketed to kids, which should be stopped in other ways

This is a really stupid move tbh.

douche flute Did you make that one up yourself?

That was me, my finest hour.

 

douche flute

👍👍🤣🤪

every cancer scientist & oncologist I know thinks it’s better.

True, the tars and all the other stuff are crazy carcinogens, but it's the heart disease doctors that have concerns - aortic hardening happens with vaping which is a cause of strokes and heart attacks

sensible answer would be to limit the strength of the nicotine levels and ditch flavours. Also public health campaigns.

You realise cannabis is legal in California? 😂😂😂

Yes, that was kind of my point. Banning cannabis (or the sale of cannabis) for decades didn't work. Anyone who wanted to smoke it ignored the law, and eventually it had to be legalised.

I thought that Little Douche Flute was a Beach Boys song.

Hang on...

Officials on Tuesday voted to ban stores selling the vaporisers and made it illegal for online retailers to deliver to addresses in the city.

So they've not "Banned Vaping" they've banned the sale of Vaping products within SF (and delivery of online purchased Vaping kit to a SF addresses), so a committed "vapist" (that's the term right?) could still hop on a train, travel outside of the city and purchase these items and wouldn't be in any breach of the law if they then used them back home inside SF city limits... Right?

so a committed “vapist” (that’s the term right?)

Serial Vapist has a better ring to it

It's quite amusing that they've now essentially driven the market for vaping products underground.

That always goes well

Serial Vapist

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The comedy is strong today.

The comedy is strong today.

And its not even a metaphor about Brexit. At least I don't think it is.

I can understand the reasoning *to some extent*...

A couple of my daughters vape (Sorry... are douche flute users... ) and yet they didn't smoke before. I imagine a reason for banning it is partly down to this, and that the advertising is (again partly) aimed at kids, due to the flavours.
i.e. Get youngsters hooked on vaping, then a certain % may turn to ciggies...

[keep stopping myself typing douche chute - suspect that's something different entirely]

That's the big issue for me.

Smoking has had decades of regulation controlling its advertising, when and where you can / cannot smoke, etc etc. Vaping hasn't, the industry is basically in the same position the tobacco industry was when my parents were kids. Health research is similarly immature.

The problem arises because the way our legal system works is anything is legal unless a law prohibits it. Before vaping came along you could either buy nicotine in the form of a box of fags from a licensed/regulated retailer* or you could buy it in the form of smoking cessation products from a licensed and regulated pharmacy. Both those industries have regulations and limitations on advertising too.

The whole vape thing is 'legal' and unregulated only in the sense that it isn't covered by either sets of legislation. So it can persist as it does until such a point legislation catches up. It may not be made illegal but it won't persist in the unchecked way that it does forever.

So vape user’s move back to cigarettes then sue the City for their cancers ?

Ask your local Vape shop to see a copy their product liability insurance 🙂 It shouldn't take them long to find as they've got almost no furniture in there to lose anything in.

* with the recognised exception of singles from an ice cream van

Simon Chapman, emeritus professor of public health at the University of Sydney, has done a good job of separating rhetoric from reality on this

Friend of mine is quite senior in a major tobacco company - he believes that the vaping market will be so heavily controlled in the next few years that it will be dominated by the big players (ie tobacco companies) who can afford to get through the regulatory hurdles.

JP

Can we make it legal to slap serial vapists who hang around in doorways, blowing clouds of sickly smelling shite in every direction?

If you buy a tube of hand cream, and it blisters your skin, the manufactures will know exactly where and when any of the 20 or so ingredients in that particular tube came from. They'll be able to work out which of the chemicals is dodgy and identify every tube that contains chemicals from the same batches.

Tends to mean their quality control is very good.

With vaping you are putting a cocktail of chemicals into a very delicate part of your body. What happens if a particular batch turns your lungs to jelly? Do vaping liquids have to conform to the same traceability rules as cosmetics?

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Smoking has had decades of regulation controlling its advertising, when and where you can / cannot smoke, etc etc. Vaping hasn’t, the industry is basically in the same position the tobacco industry was when my parents were kids. Health research is similarly immature.

Yup. But it's being treated as if it's safe. Safer than fags? Sure, but cigarettes are really bloody awful for you, that's like saying getting bit by any animal is OK as long as it's not a shark.

"It'll stop people smoking" was one of the excuses that was used in the early days to promote it... But just look at kids now- young smokers were a tiny and falling group, young vapers are everywhere.

Vaping is 98% safer than smoking according to an advert I saw the other day. Outside a vape shop obviously.

Vapers seem unable to put their machines down. At least with a cigarette you have to smoke one then decide if you want another one or not. With vaping it's easier to keep on puffing away, there's no natural break to it.

But it’s being treated as if it’s safe. Safer than fags? Sure,

... as far as we know so far. It almost certainly is, but we don't know for sure yet.

Vapers seem unable to put their machines down. At least with a cigarette you have to smoke one then decide if you want another one or not. With vaping it’s easier to keep on puffing away, there’s no natural break to it.

The link @lorax posted there backs this up - in terms of drags, something between the equivalent of a 20- to a 60-a-day habit is typical for vapers.

Ask your local Vape shop to see a copy their product liability insurance 🙂 It shouldn’t take them long to find as they’ve got almost no furniture in there to lose anything in.

My local vape shop...

https://www.totallywicked-eliquid.co.uk/about-us

Established over 10 years ago, 30 company owned stores, 500 outlets.
You seem to have formed your view of an entire industry based on the inevitable cowboys of the industry.
There are plenty of well established and decent suppliers that aren’t running out of the back door with the cash box 🙄

The whole industry knows its on borrowed time.

Have a look at the IBVTA. I think the “whole industry” knows a lot more about it’s future than you appear to 👍

It would appear quite obvious to the casual observer that where Big Tobacco has shrunk due to advertising regulations, a whole new unregulated entity has rushed in to fill the gap.

It would appear equally obvious that the this new order is looking for 'fresh meat' - look at the 'flavours' they purvey, strawberry-watermelon, blue-raspberry, pink lemonade - they are no longer even pretending to be the alternative to smoking to help tobacco users to quit, they are already the alternative life-style accessory.

I'm not the right person to ask as to whether this is a good/bad thing because i have literally just managed to set myself free from a long term nicotine addiction, but it looks very much from where i'm sitting like this is a future health nightmare waiting to happen.

Yup every cancer scientist & oncologist I know thinks it’s better.

Wow! Both of them?