[Closed] Sam Allardyce

The man whose teams [s]regularly fight relegation[/s] have never been relegated

is how they'll sell it. I think its a good move - its as much about managing egos and personalities and he'll do that

Indeed but who else? No one, bar Bobby Robson, has built a world class team since '66.

Hoddle? Yes he's got a slightly cloudy past but he can actually coach!

His biggest problem will be the media and fans getting on his back before a ball is even kicked.

He'll be good value for interviews and touchline shouty shenanigans. We'll still be crap.

He'll be good value for interviews and touchline shouty shenanigans. We'll still be crap

We're clearly going to win the world cup. Until we don't.

he'd be a great choice (is it confirmed now then? i guess so)

Who doesn't want to see this in international football? Was hoping that Eddie Howe would get a shot, but the FA won't take risks.

he won't like international football, no suspect brown envelopes at the motorway services. 😉

Hoddle was only partly right, it's England managers not the disabled who are being punished for sins in past lives.

Not very inspiring is it. In some ways he might be okay as he is quite modern in terms of fitness, eating etc which might be good for the England centre of ex. But tact, hmm, how do you like long ball lump it up the park football?

The thing is for a long while I've heard people say lets play Tikataka lets play high pressing game. Well actually English football is often based on very fast breaks or lumping it forward. so maybe he will do something. The problem is in international football, even getting to the final and losing is still losing, but for sure the Iceland game was shocking

Glad it's not Howe as we love him at Bmth. I say fair play to Allardyce really, at least he gets teams punching above their weight . By no means a dream choice but the best of what was on offer really

[quote=Caher ]since '66.

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[url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/the-66-world-cup-are-the-english-really-that-fanatical-about-it ]took 3 posts, 2 longer than I thought[/url]

Well I'm delighted. We can't possibly be worse than the last 2 tournaments so I see only upside. I wish big Sam the best of luck.

The FA have avoided the safe choice mediocraty that was Hodgson and gone for the best English manager available. For too long we have avoided the risky choices like Clough or Redknapp. We need to be winning matches and as the press have said taking chances and being too afraid to lose we are frightened of our own shadow.

Steve Bruce's day will come top I hope. Sam was first interviewed for the job 10 years ago.

BBC website came out unfavourable for Sam to be guvnor. 18% in favour only. He's gonna be given a sh1t time by the media. Guaranteed

As a Wales fan / Welshman,I think it's great news. 😆

He's criticised as a 'long ball' tactician but I think he tends to cut his cloth to suit rather than deliberately choose to play that way. I expect him to be perhaps more direct and aggressive than past teams, but with the riches of the nation at his disposal I'm prepared to wait and see what kind of teams and tactics he uses before condemning.

He is apparently an excellent man manager, very 'modern' in his use of complementary techniques such as alternative conditioning methods, use of statistical analysis, etc.

He's from Dudley,..so it's bostin news ree lee ay it!

I'd take the job for the money that the FA pay to put up with all the media crap.

Sign a 3 year contract and get kicked out after 6 months, leave the country for a couple of years with the money, come back to fight religation again #Result

What's he won - his record? I'm not a footie follower but that'd be my first question.

Edit. Just checked- Jesus wept

To be fair to him, when he was at Bolton he got us into Europe twice and we were the fifth most successful team for a period of about six years behind the 'big four' of the time.

However, that was managing a team of poor players to overperform. With England, he'll be managing a team of allegedly great players who underperform.

Waste of money

The bloke in the street would probably pick the team and we haven't had any decent tactics for years, so just let them get on with it, it can't be much worse.

personally I'm not too disappointed - best of a mediocre bunch really.

What has any English manager won in recent years? Can't really see why that's being used as an argument. Would've liked to have seen Howe given a go - as long as he had got two tournaments guaranteed so he would have had chance to actually do something longer term.

What does the national manager do for 90% of the year - is it mostly golf and lazy breakfasts? If you can handle having your arse handed to you by the press it must be easy money for 45 weeks a year. Hodgson was on £3.5m a year to do it.

I think its a very tough job as unlike a club manager you get to coach the players so rarely. Someone can have a great game and then 8 weeks later have lost form.

Anyway good luck to him. I don't care how we play, I just want a team showing a bit of courage.

Big Sam. top top man, knows English football like the back of his hand, players' manager, have I said what a top man he is?

I almost as pleased as Jamby then again I am not English.

Anyone who says he is shouty clearly hasn't watched him manage often. He just used to sit in the dugout, legs crossed and chewing gum when he was at West Ham. We wanted to see a bit of passion, we saw a bloke looking almost as bored as his football made the fans.

The England manager job isn't a coaching role, it's a man management and tactician role: players at that level shouldn't need coaching, just organising. Hence, whilst hes not my first choice, he's a good option.

He'll make absolutely no difference

players at that level shouldn't need coaching

Meanwhile, back in the real world..... 😆

I really don't care about coaching methods etc. for the England team, if you have to coach the best 22 players in the nation you have bigger problems. What will his target be for WC qualification? Not get relegated from the group?

I'd still back somebody like Shearer for a motivator and leader to get the best from a group in a very short time.

I certainly think he'll be better than Hodgson.

There's an interview with Daniel Agger doing the rounds at the moment, talking about the Liverpool managers he served under: he says that Hodgson's training sessions were the hardest, because they were so repetitive and boring, and it was the same thing day in, day out.

He also says he completely lost the desire to go to work, because of Hodgson's style of management and training.

I certainly think he'll be better than Hodgson.

I think Roy Hodgson's shadow would have been better than Roy Hodgson.

I really don't care about coaching methods etc. for the England team, if you have to coach the best 22 players in the nation you have bigger problems

Makes you wonder why top stars across pretty much every sport there is bother to have coaches, eh?. 😆

Makes you wonder why top stars across pretty much every sport there is bother to have coaches, eh?.

Couldn't give a toss about England but allardyce is a great manager. He certainly won't take any shite from primaddona players. He's never had a crack at a big club but I reckon if he'd have been offered one he'd have done pretty well.

Makes you wonder why top stars across pretty much every sport there is bother to have coaches, eh?.

Football players have coaches with their club sides. They shouldn't need it at the national level as well.

he takes mediocre teams, gets them organised and gets them playing better.

now if there's one thing we can all agree, it's that the current england team are mediocre.

i reckon it's a decent shout.

he takes mediocre teams, gets them organised and gets them playing better.

now if there's one thing we can all agree, it's that the current england team are mediocre.

i reckon it's a decent shout.

I'd second that Doris...he clearly wants the job too, so give him a chance eh? Besides, what have we got to lose? 🙁

he says that Hodgson's training sessions were so repetitive and boring, and it was the same thing day in, day out.

The England players said the same about the Euros. Also from the same [url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/28/roy-hodgson-resigns-the-damning-indictment-of-the-england-manage/ ]Telegraph[/url] article:

[i]There was very little structure at the end of last Thursday’s training session, when a group of players stayed behind to practise penalties and put Danny Rose in goal. Lallana, Raheem Sterling, Eric Dier and Jack Wilshere took free-kicks at an empty goal under no instruction or guidance.[/i]

Its fair to say Hodgson was a clown, making a lot of money for doing very little. While i'm not a fan of Big Sam he won't be treating it as a million pound a year paid holiday, like Hodgson did.

@doris is spot on

Of course you have to coach a team, you have 22 players most of whom don't play together regularly. Its the coaches job to get them playing in the style he wants with the required tactics. All this takes work.

he won't be treating it as a million pound a year paid holiday, like Hodgson did.

£3m pa I think it was

BTW anyone want to start a wendy ball thread - Pogba £100m and £11m pa 😯 Quite a bit more than the entire Leicester Squad no ? I thought Rooney was more effective at Euro 2016

Quite ironic, the one thing England, even for all the riches of the EPL, can't produce is a successful manager - Howard Wilkinson being the last.

Of course you have to coach a team, you have 22 players most of whom don't play together regularly. Its the coaches job to get them playing in the style he wants with the required tactics. All this takes work.

I guess it depends on your definition of "coaching": In my view, that's not coaching, that's organisation and man management.

They shouldn't need it at the national level as well.

Without wanting to be rude that's bollocks.

Quite ironic, the one thing England, even for all the riches of the EPL, can't produce is a successful manager - Howard Wilkinson being the last.

Not really ironic. More an inevitable result of market forces. No time to train, blood and give young managers a chance when there are such huge sums at risk. Having the richest league in the world is the biggest thing holding back English football.

Or maybe it is ironic....let me go check with Alanis Morissette.

I guess it depends on your definition of "coaching": In my view, that's not coaching, that's organisation and man management

I remember reading an article on Pirlo, and his views on coaching, and it was quite different to some of the nonsense expressed above.

What would he know though....

Or maybe it is ironic....let me go check with Alanis Morissette.

Without wanting to be rude that's bollocks.

The rudest thing about that is not stating why you think it's "bollocks".

I remember reading an article on Pirlo, and his views on coaching, and it was quite different to some of the nonsense expressed above.

Care to enlighten us?

Not really, no. You've already made up your mind, clearly.

Not really, no. You've already made up your mind, clearly.

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saw big sam in his Blackburn days and my neck is still sore from the long balls

he will stop you getting relegated, it will be shite to watch, he likes a big man up front

I don't see him as the answer to the England problems personally

he has also almost never worked with top top class players

he likes a big man up front

That in its self isn't an issue, a big man up front with skillful attacking midfielders running off them is quite a successful tactic. In fact long balls aren't necessarily an issue either, it only becomes and issue when you forget the midfield exists, play 9 across the back and hit everything long.

For those asking what he has won, did that same rule apply to the Portugal manager who just lead his team to the European title?

I think it's a really good appointment considering the options. A well drilled, organised side can do very well in the Euros / World Cup and that is the least I expect to get from an Allardyce England side.

I don't understand people suggesting Hoddle again? All this talk about him being a 'good coach' but what has he done of note since he last managed the side?
And Shearer? Seriously?

I don't understand people suggesting Hoddle again? All this talk about him being a 'good coach' but what has he done of note since he last managed the side?
And Shearer? Seriously?

Spot on. Hoddle is yesterdays man and Shearer shows a bit of patriotism, which does not make him a manager.

I think it's a good choice... He was hindered at Newcastle and at West ham by the fans hounding him out, saying it's not the clubs way. West ham have gone onto better things, Newcastle not so much...

People asking for shearer? Please, he failed miserably at Newcastle and as for passionate players becoming managers, how's Stuart Pearce currently getting on?

Doesn't really matter who the manager is.
The reality is that most of the current first 11 wouldn't have even made it into the 22 man squad 10yrs ago - they are mediocre at best.
However whilst some fans have grasped it, there is still an unrealistic expectation out there that England should be going to tournaments and doing well with the current crop of players.

FA should hire the cheapest manager they can find and invest the remainder of the cash in youth development programs. When the squad actually has some potential to do well, then look at getting a top class manager in.

That in its self isn't an issue, a big man up front with skillful attacking midfielders running off them is quite a successful tactic.

Its a tactic that keeps you in the league it does not win you world cups

If it beats Iceland that would represent progress

he has also almost never worked with top top class players

Maybe England need to take a bit more of the "Leicester route" our Euro 2016 squad didn't look very top class. Man for man Iceland where better.

I think it's a really good appointment considering the options. A well drilled, organised side can do very well in the Euros / World Cup and that is the least I expect to get from an Allardyce England side.

Be nice to think that he won't stand for any of the usual shithousery that lets serial under-performers accumulate 100 caps. I kind of doubt it though - the England media circus always seems to subvert the best of intentions.

fifeandy - Member

Doesn't really matter who the manager is.
The reality is that most of the current first 11 wouldn't have even made it into the 22 man squad 10yrs ago - they are mediocre at best.
However whilst some fans have grasped it, there is still an unrealistic expectation out there that England should be going to tournaments and doing well with the current crop of players.

FA should hire the cheapest manager they can find and invest the remainder of the cash in youth development programs. When the squad actually has some potential to do well, then look at getting a top class manager in.

fifeandy has pretty much summed it up there

Paying Hodgeson and now Big Sam (managers who've never actually won owt) over £3 million a year is madness.

But then again the FA is not fit for purpose. Its totally dysfunctional. How on earth do you have an organisation absolutely awash with cash, so giving you virtually limitless resources, yet not only manage to be utterly shite, but continue to get worse and worse and worse with each tournament.

They need to sack every single last one of the lazy, complacent old guard at the FA and start again from scratch

If showing a bit of patriotism is the criteria - Ian Wright is a shoe-in.

Paying Hodgeson and now Big Sam (managers who've never actually won owt) over £3 million a year is madness.

My understanding, from listening to 5Live briefly this morning, is that the England manager pay is going to be heavily shifted towards being performance related.

As for the FA....

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Football family my arse.

1, Hoddle, has not coached or managed for yonks.
2, an utter bellend imo.
1, Sam, managed to get results in a pragmatic manner.
2, Impossible to be worse than the last two fraudsters.

FA should hire the cheapest manager they can find and invest the remainder of the cash in

youth development programs

. When the squad actually has some potential to do well, then look at getting a top class manager in.

The trouble is that these are pointless when premier league teams are free to choose the best players from around the world. Young, English players just don't get a look-in these days.

Quite ironic, the one thing England, even for all the riches of the EPL, can't produce is a successful manager -

But Big Sam has been successful, he's been successful at all the clubs he's managed, including West Ham and Sunderland, his most recent teams. Okay he's not won anything, but he's never had the players. Chances are he won't win anything with England either, looking at the players available....but he at least deserves the chance.

Hoddle had his chance and Shearer had one go at it, failed and gave up!

Okay he's not won anything, [u]but he's never had the players[/u][b]

Pretty sure before last season the same could've been said regarding Ranieri.....

I couldn't get my head around people even suggesting Glen Hoddle. Seriously... WTF?!!!! 😯

He was hardly impressive back then, and not having managed for over ten years is hardly likely to have improved matters

The trouble is that these are pointless when premier league teams are free to choose the best players from around the world. Young, English players just don't get a look-in these days.

Correct, they don't get a look-in cos they aren't as good. If a sufficiently talented player comes up through the ranks, impresses in B squad games or lower leagues you can be fairly sure the talent scouts will find him.
Extra cash into talent identification and development is how the situation is rectified, not paying a lot of money for a manager.

The trouble is that these are pointless when premier league teams are free to choose the best players from around the world. Young, English players just don't get a look-in these days.

In other nations, the top teams have feeder teams in lower divisions, allowing them to develop not just young players, but also coaches and managers. Blaming the success of the premier league is a red herring IMO, there are fundamental changes that could be made while still continuing the PL's financial success.

When Guardiola took over Barcelona's first team, he had been managing the academy squad, in a competitive league while preparing them with the tactics and skills to step up to the first team.

The FA made that proposal a few years back, but it was the lower league teams which blocked it, that should be pushed through IMO.

you can be fairly sure the talent scouts will find him.

They'll find him, alright; then he'll move to a big club, rot in the reserves for a while (with the occasional cup game appearance), get bored, and eventually sign for a lower league team, whilst the big club buys in a ready-made, world class player to replace him.

It would be nice to have a national academy system that actually worked, but you've got to get around the win-at-all-cost attitude of the top clubs first.

[i]Okay he's not won anything, but he's never had the players[/i]

Pretty sure before last season the same could've been said regarding Ranieri.....

Ah, but Ranieri couldn't win anything when he did have the players!

Work that out? 🙂

Finished second a lot though. Mrs Binners is a bolton fan and absolutely loves Big Sam. They punched well above their weight when he was manager. I used to enjoy the look on Arsense Wengers face on his annual trip to the Reebok to watch his expensive foreign artistes get hoofed off the park by the two Kevs. I believe Arsene is a big fan! 😆

Gutted he's left Sunderland. He'll do well, he's pretty good at polishing turds.

I used to enjoy the look on Arsense Wengers face on his annual trip to the Reebok to watch his expensive foreign artistes get hoofed off the park by the two Kevs.

I miss those days 🙁

I miss those days

I still have nightmares! 😥

 

Me too zokes, me too.