Being a proper bunny hugging greeno liberal ponce I selected the 'bagless' option when ordering from Sainsburys. I assumed this meant that they would have the shopping in crates which I would transfer into my own re-usable bags in the boot of the car.
I just collected it and while some of it was loose in the crates as expected there were about a dozen plastic carrier bags with just one or two items - a single celeriac or two bottles of tonic for example - and these were the old fashioned thin single use bags.
I can understand using up old stock plastic bags, especially after committing not to supply them as they are bad for the environment but not wanting to just dump them but it seems an awfully wasteful way of doing it.
Is this normal or is Lordshill Sainsbury doing it wrong?
Normal for Sainsbury's.
Varies week to week but always too many bags.
I dunno but I just want to say that the 'tray liners' that Tesco is now using for its deliveries are bloody awful! At least I could reuse the plastic bags, the tray liner, which is thicker, so probably almost as much plastic involved, goes straight in the bin...
It's nice to know who's buying the celeriac though. 🙂
We opted for a bagless delivery - only to be told recently that the 'trays' the shopping arrives on can't be taken into the house any more, because, well, reasons.
So we had to unload and cart a week's worth of shopping bit by bit from the front door, all the time with the driver getting arsy becuase we were taking so long.
I pointed out that it might have made sense for them to tell us that we could no longer carry the trays into the house and to offer bags instead, which would have made life much easier all round. Stoopid.
[i]So we had to unload and cart a week’s worth of shopping bit by bit from the front door,[/i]
I had to park near, but not next to, a van parked in the corner of the car park. The bloke would bring over a tray and put it by the boot of the car, I was allowed to empty the tray into the car and then retreat 2 metres when he brought the next try over, I unloaded that. All of this happening in drizzling rain.
The wine came in cardboard boxes so rather than put them on the ground I suggested he put them straight into the boot. Apparently he wasn't allowed so the carboard box was put on the rain soaked floor and by the time we had completed the next round of the COVID dance, the box was ruined and I just put 6 loose bottles of wine into the car. I pointed this out to the lad who shrugged and said it always happens as he put the next box of wine on the floor and kicked the previous sodden cardboard box towards the pile near his van
If they had run out of the thin bags they would have used other bags. They don’t have the thin bags in store anymore so it’s just the online department that gets them. This used to happen when I was an online shopper.
Yep, we have the same problem, normally at least a dozen bags in their bagless option!
Why worry about the plastic bags (that can be recycled in store anyway) when you are driving to the store. More ghg produced by the vehicle use than plastic bag use.
[i]More ghg produced by the vehicle use than plastic bag use.[/i]
Less GHG from a second hand Nissan Leaf driving 1 miles and collecting than a diesel van delivering, I am fairly sure even if they were doing multiple drops on their round.
Fair enough.
Told you I was a proper bunny hugging greeno liberal ponce. Just don't mention the squirrels
🙂
It's worth quickly/casually asking the driver each time if you can take the trays inside - some (probaly most) of us would rather you just took them in 😉
We’ve never queried it and just grab them to dump onto the sofa.
Never had a complaint as we generally take less time to offload the trays than the driver does to find them on the van!
As above. Unload quickly to kitchen floor. The driver is gone in 5mins.
I’ve given up with home delivery due to there being soo many items missing/substituted. I now just go to the shop once per week at an obscure hour and use scan and shop. I can use my own bags, pots, etc.
that can be recycled in store anyway
Only they're not.
They are collected in their 1000s, bundled up into huge bales and exported to the far east eg Indonesia, where they either burn them or dump them in the sea.
The whole recycling chain is riddled with corruption and middle men who allow Sainsburys etc to appear to recycle stuff whilst dumping it en masse in the 3rd world.
The vast majority of plastic simply isn't economic to recycle. There is a small market for specific types of recycled plastic and some companies who will pay a premium for recycled plastic beads to make new stuff but that's a tiny percentage of the plastic we throw away (even in recycling bins).
They really should change the 'widely recycled' phrase you see on plastic packaging with 'dumped in the pacific' as that would be a much more honest explanation.
I dunno but I just want to say that the ‘tray liners’ that Tesco is now using for its deliveries are bloody awful! At least I could reuse the plastic bags, the tray liner, which is thicker, so probably almost as much plastic involved, goes straight in the bin…
Really?
I find they're pretty good for emptying the cat's litter tray due to the open, shallow shape, or for putting wet boots on in the hallway to save the floor...
They also make transferring the crate contents indoors easier/faster as you just grab a fistful of plastic in either hand and lift, rather than looping 5 carrier bags round your forearms...
The only trouble is that it involves shopping with Tesco, who are getting close to ASDA on my "Supermarket-Shitometer"...
Click n collect works ok for me , so far
Harrogate store has a section of car park put aside.
Park up, use intercom to let them know you are there
Then wait for plastic boxes to be brought to car on a sack barrow
Boxes left next to car, load up at leisure
Once done stack boxes at side of parking slot and bugger off
Can’t say I’ve noticed excessive bags, just for frozen stuff or substitute items
The whole recycling chain is riddled with corruption and middle men who allow Sainsburys etc to appear to recycle stuff whilst dumping it en masse in the 3rd world.
Except if you try to move stuff around legally from country to country to recycle it properly (recover IT equipment materials) it's a complete pain due to the Geneva convention which is basically supposed to stop things being exported to be dumped.
If Sainsburys, or anyone else, cares enough to think they might get caught there are laws in place to prevent this behaviour but I'm not surprised that it's easier to pass the problem on to an organisation with no morals.
Bit of a ramble but in my experience companies are shocked at the cost of dealing with waste and the cost of correct disposal isn't built into the product budget as not everyone is playing by the rules. I mean, you're not going to throw a multi million pound IT support deal because you quote as much for recovery and disposal of the equipment in 5 years as you did to get it out there in the first place.
trying to be covid friendly and break the chain etc I just did a Waitrose click and collect for a couple of weeks worth of shopping for our family of four.
Most of the meat I ordered, and the bread and the fruit and veg had use by/ best before dates of the same day of delivery or one or two days following.
I'd have had to be a massive snake and eat it all at once and sit around for two weeks until the next shop. I complained and without questioning they refunded me the cost of all the short dated stuff. I've still got some oddly over-ripe/ unripe fruit and veg and some massive bananas that look like they'll be ripe at Christmas. I thought they were courgettes when I saw them.
I now keep forgetting to take next days food out of the freezer every time!
I'm back on to scan whilst you shop next time. Might invest in a chemical suit instead...
@Jakester similar experience here, but only with 1 driver. The others are still happy for us to take the crates inside and return. The ts & cs on the website about this are a little vague IMHO.
Why would people want to get their food delivered to avoid the shops then handle a tray increasing the chances of getting the virus when they could have a box/washing basket, few bags waiting by the front door to transfer the food in to. If the first person the driver delivers to has an infection the driver can then have the chance of contaminatig other peoples boxes including vulnerable people later in the shift.
There are quite a few vulnerable people getting their food dleivered at the moment.
Why would people want to get their food delivered to avoid the shops then handle a tray increasing the chances of getting the virus
Yeah I don’t get it. If I go to sainsburys I take my own bags, sanitise the troller I use they put the bags in (or just carry bags if a smaller shop). I use my sainsburys app to scan all my shopping and use the SmartShop rolls. So the only thing I touch which may be contaminated is the food on the shelf - I try to pick the ones others haven’t touched - and the two presses of the screen at the till. Thankfully most of the people who shop at my local big sainsburys wear masks and do try to keep distance without being mega paranoid.
Surely that’s much less contact than the delivery? Touched by the person putting on the shelves. Then the picker doing your “shop”, then whoever takes it to the vans, then the driver - who has met loads of people that day - then you.
Also some of the trays are kept in the vans fridge and freezer which is ideal to keep any virus on them viable. If the customers dont touch them or take inside its cutting down the risks of spreading.
Surely that’s much less contact than the delivery? Touched by the person putting on the shelves. Then the picker doing your “shop”, then whoever takes it to the vans, then the driver – who has met loads of people that day – then you.
When you go to a shop has nobody put it on the shelves before you buy it? If you aren't shopping somewhere with an "app" to scan in store the checkout staff are also going to touch it. I may be being optimistic but the picker and the driver may both be regularly sanitising - whereas Jo Public in the store is definitely not, and he's not staying 2m away. I'm not sure most of my food has actually been on the shelves the public touch - I might be wrong but there aren't huge teams of pickers running round the aisles - is most of it picked behind the scenes? By ordering click-n-collect or delivery I am also reducing the number of people in the store so helping everyone reduce risk. But those trays are dumped on the ground so probably hoaching with other infections waiting to get you... if you don't get your food in bags/liners and don't wash your own hands!
might be wrong but there aren’t huge teams of pickers running round the aisles – is most of it picked behind the scenes?
Yes you’re wrong, it’s picked by staff going round doing the “shop” for you. Outside of normal core hours, maybe when they are shut but that’s how it’s done. There is very little stock not on the shop floor, the shop floor is the storage and they will operate a just in time restocking.
So it’s the same as you going to do the shop yourself but more people have handled it.
OP - you said that you are picking your groceries up from Sainsbury and the man gets it out of a van?
If that’s the case then the van is driving from a different sainsbury to do that, therefore you may as well get it delivered to your house.
Our local sainsbury is 5 miles away yet the vans travel from 25 miles away. The same vans travel the 20 miles to pull up in sainsbury car park to do the click and collect.
We get sainsbury home delivery, we have had one jobs worth who said we couldn’t take the crates in so he then had to stand there 30mins while I carried it in but by bit.
We live in a flat and when the Sainsbury's man comes we put big blue Ikea bags by the door and transfer from crates to bags, carry the bags inside and pack away to fridge and cupboards at our leisure. My feeling is that this is safer than making multiple trips (we don't have a car) to the shop and risking contact with a virus-bucket shopper.
On a tangent - we used to buy pizza dough and make pizzas, but the picker rarely finds it (prob'ly cos the dough is stocked near pastry, not with frozen pizzas) and substitutes random pizzas. Other time odd things are missing, or extra, but mostly it's pretty good.
The other factor for Virus Vs Delivery is that once you have handled the trays, you are yards from your own sink...
We have developed a routine of rigorous hand washing on return to the house which also involves washing after any interaction at the door.
When you finish shopping you have at best a squirt of sanitiser.
For this reason I also consider my car to be an unclean area (and clean regularly) and require proper hand wash as soon as practical after a journey.
I’m not sure what the risks are of pick8 g the virus up from shopping. If I am shopping I’m sanitising on the way in, wearing a mask and sanitising on the way out. Everyone in my shop does this. When I go it’s generally quiet but used by oldies. I also sanitise when I get back in t(e car and wash my hands as soon as I get home.
I’m not an epidemiologist but I th8nk the real risk is being in an enclosed space with someone without masks either way and being inadvertently spat on whilst talk8ng or being coughed on.
Why would people want to get their food delivered to avoid the shops then handle a tray increasing the chances of getting the virus
I was under the impression that the contact points were no longer considered to be the main method of catching it, it's mainly airbourne transmission.
https://www.advisory.com/en/daily-briefing/2020/06/02/coronavirus-surfaces
Given that everything has been picked by hand, you'd have to wash every single item as they've all potentially been touched by a CV carrier. We don't bother, just empty the crate into our bags and they go into the boot of the car (click and collect). You don't need to touch the crate (if that bothers you).
Aldi click and collect almost give you a bag per item, I've no idea where the logic comes from. At least they are compostable bags so can be used to line the food waste caddy.
If that’s the case then the van is driving from a different sainsbury to do that, therefore you may as well get it delivered to your house.
Delivery vans are used to move the click crates from yard/pickers down to the click pod. How else does your shopping magically appear down there?
You're best just leaving any non perishable shopping somewhere in the house for a day, not least for covid but for all the other coronaviruses and flu's. But I've always done that and always not touched my face and washed my hands after visiting a supermarket (for as long as I can remember) so it might be a bit extreme. Anything that needs to be put in the fridge, just quickly wash the plastic it's not hard.
So we had to unload and cart a week’s worth of shopping bit by bit from the front door, all the time with the driver getting arsy becuase we were taking so long.
I just very quickly chuck it all on the floor by the front door and then let him get on with his way, rather than making him watch me traipse backwards and forwards to the kitchen.
The big liners are great, just grab the whole lot in one go.
I took a load of normal bags to our food bank. Check if your local one wants them, ours was grateful for them.
And on the rare occasion we do click and collect we’re asked to stay in the car, they open the boot and pop it in for you.
