[Closed] RyanAir and the ash cloud

I thought he was still subject of a superinjunction.

To prove the point that it is perfectly okay to fly through the ash. Seems sensible

Good for him. At least he's putting his money where his mouth is.

And if it hadn't been?

So, what's your problem? Was it an illegal flight? Was anyone at risk, do planes not fly over population centes anyway? It just shows that there is no need for flight cancellations.

bye bye bits of Scotland, then - no real loss! ;o)

I'd rather be late than 'the late ....'

I see not problem.... But a CAA spokesperson said: "The CAA can confirm that at no time did a Ryanair flight enter the notified area of high contamination ash over Scotland this morning."

It was all safe....

It does [u]not[/u] show there is no need for the flight ban! It only shows that that particular flight had no problems.

That guy is shameless about grabbing publicity - he's even done tv bragging about getting millions of pounds' worth of advertising on the back of being cheap and controversial.

I really don't think it would have happened if it was unsafe. They say no publicity is bad publicity but I think you could make an exception for plane crashes.

may'be he has set himself a target of one RyanAir plane crash a year, then I guess he can start charging for lifejackets and oxygen masks.

It's the english twunts in london that are the problem, I heard the irish guy saying there simply is no ash up there.

Good for him. At least he's putting his money where his mouth is.

And he'll be putting passengers along with them. Call me pedantic, but I think air safety is paramount above all else including this particular greedy b******d.

Or does he take safety as seriously as this lot have done on occasions in the past?

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If Ryanair wanted to fly in high density cloud, they had the option to go through the appropriate procedure. ie Do a safety case & consult. They could then do fly in the knowledge that the risks had been assessed and allowed for. They have had plenty of time to do this, but they haven't. This is an O'Leary PR stunt and a potentially dangerous one at that. There is absolutely no doubt that high levels of dust can have a catastrophic effect on jet engines. It may be the case that the Met Office forecast is inaccurate, and if O'Leary wants to fly into the dustcloud to find out where it is he is welcome to. Just not with pax on board.

I'd also suspect some difference in his Ts & Cs for refunds/compensation depending on whether RyanAir cancel the flight themselves or are prevented from flying. Hence he carries on checking poor suckers in so that he can blame someone else for their misfortune later on.

and add no flying over populated areas.

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Lockerbie?

Bad taste regardless.

Not really, when I lived 500m from the impact zone at the time.

Really??

Whether the plane fell out of the sky because it was blown up or because the engines failed, same out come ^^^

GRF - yeah [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9 ]this[/url] is nothjing to worry about at all. You go and enjoy your bike conference and don't worry about all those nobbers who will have to live with the consequences of something like that happening again.

There has been a few instances where ash has caused engines to seize - in the most well documented case the plane had to pretty much do an emergency dive to clear the engines and were lucky enough to get them restarted. (Flight nr volcano in Java IIRC)

Its not just the fact that it stalls and blocks engines but it can permanently damage engines - it can either cause terminal overheating and damage from oxygen poor combustion or it can effectively laminate the inside of the turbine with silica. The there's the erosion of the turbine blades due to effectively sucking in rock...

I note people are not taking much notice of the the fact that aviation authorities are pointing out that the test flight didn't encounter the high ash density clouds which are of the highest risk to aircraft.

As for Mt St Helens - a) yes there were flight cancellations, b) the number of flights effected would have been lower as it was 1980 and less planes were in the skies. c) the effects of ash ingress in to engine was less well understood.

There hasnt been that much in the way of experimentation with the effects of ash ingress in to turbines in real flight situations as people on the whole don't like to risk planes falling out the sky.

I imagine if that flight had lost an engine, there would have been a sufficient glide path to land somewhere safely or ditch in the sea.

Not sure how many examples of successfully ditched un-powered planes there have been. The Hudson River is the only one I can think of off the top of my head - and that frankly was a work of piloting genius. Most the rest result in a search for floating yellow crash site markers (life jackets).

Personally I would take the CAA word that the Ryanair flight didn't go through the highest ash concentrations, rather than that of a man how has been shown previously to have put profit before safety...

Ryan Air so confident that they've now grounded all flights into Scotland....

The man is not a hero he is a dangerous dishonest arse , He didn't fly he made some one else fly the plane . He then claimed no damage from the ash cloud when he did not actually go through the ash cloud. All in the hope he could then blackmail the authorities into letting him put passengers at risk by flying them in circumstances where otherwise he would not be allowed to or build a case to sue the taxpayer for his lost profits if the CAA stick to their guns.

Mmm looked very closly but still can't see a biking thread,perhaps some ones biking holiday to france/spain has been delayed?

As said before the CAA confirms their plane went nowhere near the High Density Ash Cloud, proving nothing except the loud mouth wants to play by his own rules. His buissness model does suit EU regs on passenger rights so he wants to blame other people.

may'be he has set himself a target of one RyanAir plane crash a year, then I guess he can start charging for lifejackets and oxygen masks

then they can play the trumpet when you land saying that your fligh had fewer than average crashes

I expect Mr O'leary is more concerned about paying compensation due to cancelled flights/delays. My boss is still waiting for his compensation from them from the last ash cloud over a year ago!

[i]Whether the plane fell out of the sky because it was blown up or because the engines failed, same out come ^^^ [/i]
er, not really.

GRF.
The ryan air plane did not fly into the ash cloud, Scottish airspace is open again now.

If anyone wants to know what it's like flying into a dense ash cloud, they can google 'Speedbird 9 or Jakarta incident'.

I wonder what Ryanair's insurers might think of his little jaunt?