[Closed] Russle brand 'the trews'?

There are so many things wrong here.

"but I searched for 'russle brand' and nothing came up!?"

I'd be willing to say this was a troll if I'd not seen the OPs posts before

I can't abide the monotonous , I use big words me so I must be funny, prat!

The last word on the revolutionary, spiritual, lothario simpleton, as with a lot of subjects, must surely go to Noel Gallagher:

[i]“Well, I love Russell but he don't half talk out of his arse sometimes,”

“I was out with him the other night and he says it with a straight face. 'There is going to be a revolution.' And I'm like, '****ing hell, mate, give us a shout when you're going down The Mall with your pitchforks and that, I'll come and serenade you with my loot before we eat the Queen."

“He says, 'Come on mate, back us' and I'm like, 'If you make me the Duke Of Manchester then I'm in'.”[/i]

😀

infinitesimal insidious idiotic Idiosyncratic incoherent idiomatic idiocy innit.

The couple I have seen were ok but any left winger on here could have made the point just as well and less loquaciously and vaingloriously.

gaaaawd, I Love this place 😆
back to spelling class for me innit.

and check some of my comments on other threads because No one spells my name right!!! I feel at home. 😆

My view on Brand is that he's probably going to do more harm than good.

Harm? by having an opinion? how so.

Pointing out that our political system is populated by self-serving tossers isn't groundbreaking stuff, is it?

Obviously he thinks it is. Maybe its because he's so completely self-absorbed, not to mention rich, and lives in LA, and goes everywhere in a chafeaur driven limo, that he's only just noticed the somewhat knackered political system. Hey.... thats sobriety for you, Russ.

His suggestion as the answer to this problem - don't vote - suggests he may want to analyse the way democracy functions a bit more closely before offering further [url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/uk-thanks-russell-brand-2014052786930 ]'solutions'[/url]

In short... he's an idiot!

Will this thread turn out the same as [url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/this-brand-parklife-thing ]this one[/url]?

cheers for that DezB, I had missed that thread 😉

infinitesimal insidious idiotic Idiosyncratic incoherent idiomatic idiocy innit.

Parklife!

Harm? by having an opinion? how so.

By being a dick

As many are keen to point out. That's the harm, the point he's trying to make is coming second place to his personality.

Which to be fair, is probably first place for him too.

[i]cheers for that DezB, I had missed that thread[/i]

No problem. All I remember from that thread was something about colostomy bags.

piemonster - Member

Harm? by having an opinion? how so.

By being a dick
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loads of them about tho Eh pal 😆

Parklife!

Which to be fair, is probably first place for him too.

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Parklife!

[b][i]Oi[/i]![/b]

i like him 😀

never 'eard of 'im

Obviously if you are a journalist and you ask Mr Brand about his big expensive London property that's off message - so you get called names by the saviour of the people

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/culture/video/2014/dec/02/russell-brand-journalist-london-home-snide-video ]Linky[/url]

Cool, I like him even more after that, nice one 8)

I think he's great. Yes he does waffle on and uses words that are annoying, but the message he's trying to get across is a good one.

Me too. I used to dislike him, now I don't mind him. If he gets people thinking about stuff other than white cars, granite worktops and shopping on credit, how's that A Bad Thing?

Me too. I used to dislike him, now I don't mind him. If he gets people thinking about stuff other than white cars, granite worktops and shopping on credit, how's that A Bad Thing?

This is STW, home of the espresso maker, german estate car and carbon MTB. Not really the target audience 😆

Let me get this right.... a rich man who rents an expensive London property turns out to protest about landlords turfing people out of social housing so they can charge expensive rents to rich people?

Hmmmmmmmm....

[quote="kudos100"]This is STW, home of the espresso maker, german estate car and carbon MTB. Not really the target audience 😆

That's a good point well made 😀

That's a good point well made

"Russell brand is a ****er/full of himself/a hypocrite. Now back to more important matters, XTR or XX1 for my new bike?" 😆

Let me get this right.... a rich man who rents an expensive London property turns out to protest about landlords turfing people out of social housing so they can charge expensive rents to rich people?

So a rich person cannot take this sort of action, or have an opinion on it, or even want to change it? If he was poor he would be ignored, but because he has wealth, he is somehow not allowed to pass comment on these sort of things, only poets and billy bragg types can do that I suppose.

Actually, you have fallen into the classic trap those who do not want to talk about inequality use...attack the man, to steer away from the message.

Let me get this right.... a rich man who rents an expensive London property turns out to protest about landlords turfing people out of social housing so they can charge expensive rents to rich people?

Hmmmmmmmm....

Oh eff off you berk!! What an idiotic comment.. that's tory lapdog thinking

So we're now not allowed to get involved in pointing out social injustice or campaigning for change unless we live in a cardboard box and dress in sack cloth and ashes..!!?

Actually, you have fallen into the classic trap those who do not want to talk about inequality use...attack the man, to steer away from the message.

absolutely spot on..

Do I need to be homeless to point out the injustice in homlessness?

Ooh, wonder if there'll be any good deal on granite worktops after crimbo

I used to enjoy his craic on MTV Dance, years ago, before he was sacked for wearing the Bin Laden fancy dress outfit.

He used to find people in clubs who were clearly out of it and ask them tricky questions with often hilarious results.

Not a BB fan either but he was great on Big Brother's Big Mouth. Regardez...

binners - Member

Let me get this right.... a rich man who rents an expensive London property turns out to protest about landlords turfing people out of social housing so they can charge expensive rents to rich people?

Yes. Why not? It'd be personal hypocrisy if he was a landlord, but we all have to live in the world we have now. Thing about Brand is, he doesn't generally claim to have the solution, he says- here's an obviously wrong thing, which you might not know about, let's talk about it. Not "I have all the answers to everything".

That's pretty refreshing tbh- a lot of the time, someone will correctly identify an obviously wrong thing, then declare some equally wrong fix, and people end up ignoring the whole thing. Nothing wrong with saying "Look here's a problem, let's figure out a solution" or even "Clever people- you figure out a solution", you don't have to have all the answers before you can tell something's wrong.

But it does make for a convenient distraction from the actual point.

Nice to see him being awarded for his work http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11269276/Russell-Brand-wins-award-for-gobbledygook.html

Yes I saw that, it made me smile this morning !

Russel Brand is perfectly entitled to speak out on whatever issues he wants. However, a bit like a Labour politician is entitled to send his kids to private school but if you do so then it is right that you are challenged. Brand failed totally to met the journalists challenge.

The property concerned has been owned by a charity for 80 years, its historically been managed as a low rent property but now the charity has sold the property to the highest bidder thus gaining the most the charity. It has always been a private property. If the local authority (or Mr Brand) wanted to buy it they could have done and kept the rents as they where. I happen to live opposite a housing trust, build by donation nearly a 100 years ago. That lease is now expiring and the property will be redeveloped I imagine for the private sector. The provision of social housing is the responsibility of the government and local authorities, not the private sector.

jambalaya - Member

However, a bit like a Labour politician is entitled to send his kids to private school but if you do so then it is right that you are challenged

Exact same thing tbh- you can speak out against a thing you disagree with while still existing within today's world. So frinstance, if a politician said "You shouldn't send your kids to private school" but did themselves, that's wrong. But if they say "Private schools shouldn't be better than state schools, that's a thing we should fix"- it's not relevant whether or not their kids go to private schools today, sending their kids to a state school won't change a thing

If Russell Brand moves into one of these people's houses, that's news. Otherwise it's deflection and whataboutery.

My problem with this particular case is that Brand holds an inherently contradictory position. It reminds me of the phrase 'you are not stuck in traffic. You ARE traffic. And when this uncomfortable fact is pointed out to him, he has a hissy fit.

Do you know anything about this specific case? The Guardian have been covering it in detail for a few months now, since it all began. Like the fact that the initial purchaser involved was [url= http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/10/millionaire-tory-mp-tenants-estate-flats-richard-benyon ]Tory MP Richard Benson[/url]

If Brand is going to draw attention to the fact that the party in power, in their private dealings, are profiting from turfing key workers out of their homes, to cash in on their 'investments', while publicly preaching the opposite, then fine. Good luck to him. If he is engaging with the issue properly, and proposing doing something about the ludicrous mess our housing market presently is (homes as investments, or cash machines, rather than actual homes), or suggesting other people do then great.

But he's not, is he? He's just getting shouty on telly (again), and then disappearing straight off (picked up in his chauffeur driven Merc? First class flight back to LA) to plug his latest book or film.

Mind you. Its probably just as well he's not offering more advice (lets for the moment forget the book he's plugging - Russell tells you how to change the world. From the comfort of his LA home - with the proceeds from his latest book). When his advice amounts to 'democracy is crap - lets all not vote!

Brilliant. Well done. You're a *ing genius!

Revolutionary, my arse!! Its just bloody self promotion FFS! All part of his ongoing messiah complex

He's just another *ing Bono. Sanctimoniously, and hypocritically lecturing other people from his ivory tower. And giving hope to the desperate and gullible. When in reality he'll have forgotten about them by next week, and moved on to whatever target ends up in the sights with his next scattergun, nonsensical onslaught

😯 Binners .... I cannot Believe you compared him to Bonio!!!! ... No one is or Ever will be THAT BAD, Lol

binners - Member

If Brand is going to draw attention to the fact that the party in power, in their private dealings, are profiting from turfing key workers out of their homes, to cash in on their 'investments', while publicly preaching the opposite, then fine. Good luck to him. If he is engaging with the issue properly, and proposing doing something about the ludicrous mess our housing market presently is (homes as investments, or cash machines, rather than actual homes), or suggesting other people do then great.

But he's not, is he?

Guess what- he just did 😆 You'd not have made this post without his contribution would you?

So a man that has a job and a house (rented in the case of the London property he lives in) can't have an opinion on poor people being turfed out of their homes at the whims of private property speculators and use his substantial public profile to rally for their cause? Whether you like Mr Brand or not that's not particularly hypocritical. Even if there's an element of self-promotion that doesn't negate the help for the New Era resident's cause.

I cannot Believe you compared him to Bonio!!!! ... No one is or Ever will be THAT BAD

Give him a few years. He's just getting warmed up. I'm just waiting for the inevitable tax dodging (tax efficiency?) scam to break, just to complete the picture

Guess what- he just did. You'd not have made this post without his contribution would you?

If you look at the link I posted, I'd read about this a while back. I was aware of it before Russ popped up (interrupting his latest book tour) to kindly inform me what I would be thinking about this week 🙄

I recon if he was dodging any type of Tax the powers that be would have hauled is disruptive ass over the coals by now, Also, im prepared to flip and hate his guts if he gets too close to the bonio type pal, im a Fickle fella me binners 😉 ha ha ha ha

binners - Member

If you look at the link I posted, I'd read about this a while back.

And now you have posted about it on an internet forum, sharing your knowledge of the subject, as a direct result of Brand's intervention. You make a good team!

One of the joys of living in a digital age, is that Its not actually that hard to keep yourself informed

You don't actually need me or Russ 😀

[i]If he is engaging with the issue properly, and proposing doing something about the ludicrous mess our housing market presently is (homes as investments, or cash machines, rather than actual homes), or suggesting other people do then great.[/i]

actually, that's exactly what he's doing. This particular case as been covered by him for months and months now. watch the trews...

Interesting, the main stream media coverage of Russell. reminds me of the Treatment of Assange, and Snowdon, and Chelsea Manning.

binners, you are normally fairly perceptive, but you've a mental block regarding brand and are missing his point by quite a distance to be honest..

You don't like him, we get it! 😆

binners - Member

You don't actually need me or Russ

I knew about it before, from either the Guardian or the Eye- but that's really not the point. You knew about it, I knew about it, we weren't talking about it, it wasn't making the slightest bit of difference. Now, we're talking about it.

Of course Brand can have an opinion and speak out in favour of the residents, that's not the point. The issue is he should be prepared to answer questions about his own affairs.

The Sun has a front page calling him a hypocryt. According to them he pays £76k pa in rent and to a property company based in the British Virgin Islands. These are relevant facts and he should have an intelligent answer to questions he is asked and not just a finger pointing rant.

I have absolutely no doubt that a story will emerge that Brand uses offshore companies to manage his tax affairs, as a media performer that's is exactly how he will be paid just like all the other wealthy stars.

seems Brand doesn't like Journalists to voice their opinion, which is odd given he is all about ordinary peoples opinion being heard...im sure he has accused the "establishment" of hypocricy before, can they sue him and give his money to the cause aswell...

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/dec/03/russell-brand-threat-sue-sun-housing-hypocrite-allegation

he pays £76k pa in rent and to a property company based in the British Virgin Islands

Wait, so is he supposed to audit the tax affairs of any companies he spends his money at? What about their suppliers? What if a worker for a company he buys something from buys something that Brand disagrees with? Does that make him a hypocrite?

If his landlord does something dodgy with the money that Brand pays for his flat then that's the landlord's issue. I don't particularly like RB but this is just mud slinging IMO.

It may be true, it may not be. I suspect it probably isn't true but that it's too complex for many to understand so may look questionable.

Regardless it's an ad hominem attack isn't it?

I note that RB posted this. Again, regardless of whether his tax affairs make him a hypocrite or not, he's probably got a point.

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He's just another ****ing Bono. Sanctimoniously, and hypocritically lecturing other people from his ivory tower. And giving hope to the desperate and gullible. When in reality he'll have forgotten about them by next week, and moved on to whatever target ends up in the sights with his next scattergun, nonsensical onslaught

It's almost like you don't like him, binners?

I recon if he was dodging any type of Tax the powers that be would have hauled is disruptive ass over the coals by now,

Why would they? He's perfect for them - a vague call for a "revolution", which turns out to be "don't vote for them". Nicely gets rid of all those complicated swing voters than might actually need convincing with something new.

He's just another ****ing Bono. Sanctimoniously, and hypocritically lecturing other people from his ivory tower.

Refer to my earlier post about attacking the man to draw attention away from the message.

The Sun has a front page calling him a hypocryt. According to them he pays £76k pa in rent and to a property company based in the British Virgin Islands. These are relevant facts and he should have an intelligent answer to questions he is asked and not just a finger pointing rant.

I have absolutely no doubt that a story will emerge that Brand uses offshore companies to manage his tax affairs, as a media performer that's is exactly how he will be paid just like all the other wealthy stars.

The Sun has a front page calling him a hypocryt. According to them he pays £76k pa in rent and to a property company based in the British Virgin Islands. These are relevant facts and he should have an intelligent answer to questions he is asked and not just a finger pointing rant.

Refer to my earlier post about attacking the man to draw attention away from the message.

I note that RB posted this. Again, regardless of whether his tax affairs make him a hypocrite or not, he's probably got a point.

That's the thing, people who slag him off are too busy reading shite in the papers, or on the news to actually understand what he is trying to achieve.

Much easier to get the pitchforks out, than look at the wider problem.

el-bent - the journalist was't attacking brand, he just asked him a question. brand could have given a sensible answer but instead he went off on a rant and insulted him.

It's totally relevant Brand pays £76k pa to an offshore company, he is attacking the property company for being American and "coming over here".

The fact is these people live in a private estate which historically had been let at very low rents as it was owned by a charity. They sold it and the new owner is a business and not a charity. As I have said before social housing is the responsibility of the government / local authority. They could have bought it but they chose not to. Brand should be campaigning for more social housing and asking by the local council will not re-house these people.

@kudos, I agree there is a real problem, years of selling of council houses and not rebuilding. That's the issue here.

The issue is he should be prepared to answer questions about his own affairs.

Why should he? Do you think you should have to answer questions about your affairs before you can give your opinion?

@MrS - well a politician would be expected to be asked and so should Mr Brand as he's a very rich man and he sets himself up as a public commentator and journalist / author with regular pieces in the paper and of course his recent book. Plus of course his YouTube channel. he has given his opinion very freely for quite some time before being asked. If I where in a similar role / position I would expect to be asked.

I recon if he was dodging any type of Tax the powers that be would have hauled is disruptive ass over the coals by now, Also, im prepared to flip and hate his guts if he gets too close to the bonio type pal, im a Fickle fella me binners ha ha ha ha

MrSalmon - Member
The issue is he should be prepared to answer questions about his own affairs.
Why should he? Do you think you should have to answer questions about your affairs before you can give your opinion?

jambalaya - Member

It's totally relevant Brand pays £76k pa to an offshore company, he is attacking the property company for being American and "coming over here".

That would be relevant if he was an offshore company. But since he's a tenant- a customer- it's not.

CountZero - Member

As a result his own affairs are open to scrutiny.

I think that's true; but that doesn't make it right to make irrelevant ad hom attacks to make a headline. In this case he's been scrutinised, they've found nothing of any real controversy or hypocrisy, and made that the story anyway.

But it is relevant. He is a tennent of a foriegn tax haven based property owner. If he followed the principals he preaches he would not rent from such a landlord

jambalaya - Member

But it is relevant. He is a tennent of a foriegn tax haven based property owner. If he followed the principals he preaches he would not rent from such a landlord

Nope- he isn't telling people not to rent. He's not profiteering from rental, which is what he's attacking. It's not that nuanced tbh. (FWIW, he's also not put anyone out of a home- he lives in a former factory converted into rental flats. Not actually relevant but, there you go.)

In his own words:

Two weeks ago:

As you know property developers – in partnership with corrupt, inept or lazy politicians – have created a housing crisis for ordinary people all over the world. I bet your rent is soaring; I bet you are finding it hard to pay. It’s especially bad in cities, and for this first action we want to focus on London...
...Then unfortunately ([b]and I’m partly to blame by moving in and being so cool[/b]) Hoxton became “trendy”.

Yesterday

He then said he identified with the plight of residents living at the New Era Estate and was "[b]not part of the problem, I am part of the solution[/b]".

😆

And...

What I don't get it this..

The small mindedness of it all

We hate our politicians for shafting us so we pick them apart looking for faults and flaws, that seems pretty legit, but has that habit become so so deeply ingrained in our psyche that anyone on the public eye is to be scrutinised and inspected for cracks in their armour, even if they are trying to work for us?
There's not going to be a squeaky clean Jesus figure, pure and free from sin, you lot are dreaming.

All this amounts to is ego and a determination to try to be holier than thou.. Utter ****ery
Why not show a bit of support for a good guy instead of gathering like mangy hounds, ready to tear strips off anyone who raises their head above the shoulders of the crowd..

Insecure ****ery, and desperately sad

yunki is my new hero, here here my friend 🙂

Where? Where?

as you can polly tell by the title of this thread 'spelling' and such is not a strong point of mine 😆
im good at loads of Other stuff tho 😉

LLO!

All this amounts to is ego and a determination to try to be holier than thou.. Utter ****ery
Why not show a bit of support for a good guy instead of gathering like mangy hounds, ready to tear strips off anyone who raises their head above the shoulders of the crowd..

Y'see this is my problem with Brand. To many he's such an irritating dickwad, couple that with some inconvenient personal wealth ironies and its goodbye 'message'

And that's before you get on to the subject of 'is he really in it for the right reasons' (I've no idea, but I've no instinctual trust in the man)

He's the wrong person for the job IMHO. And is likely to do as much harm as good by devaluing the subject matter.

lets see 'some' argue with this one 😆

He's the wrong person for the job IMHO. And is likely to do as much harm as good by devaluing the subject matter.

I feel this exactly.

hmmmm... so interesting...

instead of trying to argue a ridiculous diversionary point with that greasy little reporter who like a few on this thread, was just getting a childish buzz out of trying making Brand look foolish, Brand has come back with an intelligent, well thought out and reasoned response

what a ****.. hanging's not good enough

@yunki, so that shows what he can do when he's scripted and rehearsed. A sensible answer is what he should have given first time around.

Y'see this is my problem with Brand. To many he's such an irritating dickwad, couple that with some inconvenient personal wealth ironies and its goodbye 'message'

And that's before you get on to the subject of 'is he really in it for the right reasons' (I've no idea, but I've no instinctual trust in the man)

He's the wrong person for the job IMHO. And is likely to do as much harm as good by devaluing the subject matter.

Ok so who is the right person for the job then? Some mythical person who is the reincarnation of Jesus and lives in a cardboard box?

Perhaps if Brand was poor and a monk he would be a better choice. Because he is an ex junkie, a bit of a gobshite and is wealthy means he can't speak about what is wrong with the system? Bollocks.

Whilst I understand the residents being very upset, it is hardly the fault of the new owners. They have paid a full price on the assumption that they can secure market rents. It is the seller who accepted a full price and, who instead could have secured binding rental commitments from the new purchaser. However they obviously wanted more and did not want the hassle of evicting the tenants, they essentially subcontracted that to the new purchasers. The question that I would like to know the answer to is why is a charity set up to provide housing to working classes selling it? How does that square with the charity's objectives? It may be that they are reinvesting in some other subsidised housing and these tenants are the unfortunate ones who are essentially paying the price for someone else's subsidised housing. However this does not seem to get any coverage.

jambalaya - I don't necessarily agree...

What's wrong with being scripted and rehearsed? What's wrong with taking a breather and distancing yourself and coming back with something that's altogether more worthy and useful than an argument over nonsense with a wally?

Why would you place such an emphasis on being able to come up with an off the cuff argument?

If some tit walks up to you in a bar trying to be confrontational, is it in some way more noble to engage with him?