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Related to Dispatches tonight?
But yes, I found him OK in small doses a long time ago, but since all the conspiracy nonsense, he's been insufferable.
Related to Dispatches tonight
Yep
He was in St Trinian's...
And was a stand up comic for a long time. Serious allegations though…
I’m disappointed but not entirely surprised.
He’s a bright guy, but as he admitted in his “booky wooky” he’s not all there.
Doesn't deserve his own thread. Day(s) in court, hopefully.
More likely the State doesn't like what he's been talking about as well as the fact that he has a large following.
Useless at horoscopes.
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More likely the State doesn’t like what he’s been talking about as well as the fact that he has a large following.
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“More likely the State doesn’t like what he’s been talking about as well as the fact that he has a large following”
🙄 yeah of course.
Some very serious allegations.
Hopefully the courts find out the truth either way.
I'm not a fan of trial by (social) media.
If he's done what he appears to be accused of, then it's a Police matter and he should get a fair trial,though I appreciate people's faith in the legal system for these kind of offences is rightfully low.
More likely the State doesn’t like what he’s been talking about as well as the fact that he has a large following.
So the women accusing him of rape and assault are liars?
More likely the State doesn’t like what he’s been talking about as well as the fact that he has a large following.
The vitriol I've read today about who Dispatches will be about has been off the chart. Various names mentioned and the usual, "I always knew they were a wrong un" despite Dispatches not even being aired yet and therefore no confirmation who it is about.
despite Dispatches not even being aired yet and therefore no confirmation who it is about.
Dispatches haven't named him. He named himself.
What, apart from it being reported on various new sites and even on Freeview program guide?
The program is called Russell Brand: in Plain sight.
That's a clue...
Lead story on the Guardian
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1703066618295673180?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
The stuff I had read was yesterday that lead into today and at the time it was being kept under wraps with programme guides still not showing any details. I was more meaning the various names mentioned that were not Russell Brand and the usual mentality of obviously guilty even though as we now know, Dispatches is not about them.
This no doubt says more about me but, given how much press was around when he was very popular about how many females he was bedding, it really isn't a surprise for this kind of stuff to come out.
Saying that, I'd hope that he gets a fair trial...
The fact he has a super injunction in place (at least according to social media) makes his defence its a mainstream media stichup hard to swallow
Why have these allegations just come to light now I wonder. Makes you think.
Read a long while back of gagging orders in place that were on victims. I wonder if they will be on the programme tonight.
Always very suspect on gagging orders.
Why have these allegations just come to light now I wonder. Makes you think.
You really need to give your head a wobble.
Why have these allegations just come to light now I wonder. Makes you think.
The only thing it makes me think is how he’s managed to cover it up for so long, but I believe super injunctions are good for that
I love that he portays himself as this anti-establishment figure, but he’s using eye-watering Ly expensive lawyers to gag people from revealing what he’s really like
Really sticking it to the man there, eh? 🙄
Why have these allegations just come to light now I wonder
Dunno..why don't you tell us?
Another vile grifter playing a certain section of society for the fools that they sadly are.
Why have these allegations just come to light now I wonder. Makes you think.
Is it because he’s just discovered that “baroque” is an adjective, but not yet worked out the correct usage of it?
Why have these allegations just come to light now I wonder
I mean, call me naive but could it be that it's taken C4 and the Times a while to interview the alleged victims, write the story, make the program etc etc.
Or i suppose they might have received instructions from on high....
I’m not a fan of trial by (social) media.
just as well this isn’t the case here then. Instead it’s well researched investigative journalism which has, no doubt, been through plenty of internal legal challenge before publication.
Not another media storm with decades old allegations that never make it to court. If there is sufficient evidence then get him infront of jury. If not then leave the awful man <span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">alone and hope he disappears </span>
Not another media storm with decades old allegations that never make it to court.
Another? Like who else? Have there been so many of them?
Not another media storm with decades old allegations that never make it to court.
Is there a statute of limitations on rape and sexual assault?
The stuff I had read was yesterday that lead into today and at the time it was being kept under wraps with programme guides still not showing any details. I was more meaning the various names mentioned that were not Russell Brand and the usual mentality of obviously guilty even though as we now know, Dispatches is not about them.
He posted a video yesterday as a pre-emptive action
I’m not a fan of trial by (social) media.
just as well this isn’t the case here then. Instead it’s well researched investigative journalism which has, no doubt, been through plenty of internal legal challenge before publication.
I'm not supporting Brand but have any charges been brought and what's this "The Sunday Times said it gave Brand eight days within which to reply to detailed allegations"? Eh? Else what?
To quote the Met - "If anyone believes they have been the victim of a sexual assault, no matter how long ago it happened, we would encourage them to contact police."
Why have these allegations just come to light now I wonder.
Because victims of assault often tend not to want to relive their ordeal the day after. That and investigations take time.
Makes you think.
Seemingly not.
Look. We don't know, we have no way of knowing beyond speculation. It'd be very easy to conclude "guilty" at the first whiff of an allegation because I expect that few people would be wildly surprised if he was, and that's a mistake. Though I said the same of Savile at the time and look how that panned out.
One allegation, it's her word against his. Multiple allegations from unrelated sources all reporting corroborating stories, he's going to jail.
This no doubt says more about me but, given how much press was around when he was very popular about how many females he was bedding, it really isn’t a surprise for this kind of stuff to come o
my thoughts, also. self confessed sex addict and all that.
Why have these allegations just come to light now I wonder. Makes you think.
genuine question, what should i be thinking about? i know nothing about the guy, beyond him shagging lots of women and being on tv
To quote the Met – “If anyone believes they have been the victim of a sexual assault, no matter how long ago it happened, we would encourage them to contact police
At least 2 of alleged victims say the offences took place in LA, so not sure what the Met have to do with it.
genuine question, what should i be thinking about?
The conspiracy theory explanation of why he has been accused of sexual assault (instead of, perhaps, it just being the truth) is predictable: Brand became a paid-up member of the Conspiracist-Industrial Complex in the years since you last saw him on TV.
As George Monbiot wrote a few months ago:
In 2014, he was bursting with new ideas and creative ways of presenting them. Today, he wastes his talent on tired and discredited tales: endless iterations of the alleged evils of the World Economic Forum founder, Klaus Schwab, the Great Reset, Bill Gates, Nancy Pelosi, the former US chief medical adviser, Anthony Fauci, Covid vaccines, medical data, the World Health Organization, Pfizer, smart cities and “the globalist masterplan”.
His videos appear to promote “natural immunity” ahead of vaccines, and for a while pushed ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine as treatments for Covid (they aren’t)...
since when has he been an “actor and comedian”?!
A question I repeatedly asked myself ever since he appeared on TV. Always seemed to promote himself as sexually voracious and irresistible to anything with a functioning respiratory system. Also about as funny as gallstones, a urinary tract infection and ulcers. At the same time.
What I hadn’t realised was his persistent promotion of fashionable conspiracy theories, which somehow doesn’t surprise me.
At least I don’t have to cancel any social media accounts of his, as he’s on a long list of people like JK Rowling, Piers Morgan, and other conspiracy peddlers who I would happily hit in the face with a chair.
Dispatches will be broadcast at 9pm tonight: https://www.channel4.com/programmes/russell-brand-in-plain-sight-dispatches
what’s this “The Sunday Times said it gave Brand eight days within which to reply to detailed allegations”? Eh? Else what?
Else they'll publish without being able to consider Brand's challenges to the accuracy of the claims or carry any other comment by Brand. This is an element of professional ethics: to give the subject of a story the option of replying to allegations made by others. It's a normal thing in journalism.
You should look at the recent reporting on Christian Odey or watch the film She Said.
https://mastodon.social/@alexanderhay/111074695857805684
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It's worth noting that allegations about #RussellBrand have been doing the rounds in the #UK #Comedy scene for quite a while now, but once again, libel laws have provided protection to persons dubious.
#KatherineRyan and #LouSanders both outed him on stage (the former to his face), so let's not assume people looked the other way. They haven't.
It seems #FernBrady, #NiskKumar and #DanielSloss have a few choice words too.
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At least 2 of alleged victims say the offences took place in LA, so not sure what the Met have to do with it.
I think you’ve missed the point.
That's Despicable Me never being shown on TV again.
It seems #FernBrady, #NiskKumar and #DanielSloss have a few choice words too.
First time for everything, Nish! 😄
The conspiracy theory explanation of why he has been accused of sexual assault
thanks
A few people are suggesting that his pivot from leftie, anti-capitalist to right wing nut bag are because he knew these allegations were coming. As the latter he can now play the conspiracy theory/main stream media against me card.
I’d just hope no-one on STW would fall for such an obvious move…
Instead it’s well researched investigative journalism which has, no doubt, been through plenty of internal legal challenge before publication.
I agree. And I'm quite happy for this to be suitably praised and blown all over the media AFTER his trial.
The way this program is going it's a hill I would not die on defending
I always wondered who Katherine Ryan kept talking about on podcasts
It’s pretty damning so far. Obviously only one side of the story but…
Seeing the reactions of some on here, it’s really not surprising that popular men get away with so many things.
I agree with the sentiment of your post, but tbh those words directed at a forum member are not on.
Fruit loops spreading conspiracy theories that directly harm others are fair game
Former media personality with a bit of a USP becomes less relevant and a bit stale so his agent decides it is time to court some more easily-led members of society into a cult of personality. Previous embracing of far-fetched nonsense desirable.
The great hope around 20 years ago was that interconnectivity and information sharing would move humankind forward from witchdoctors and the like. Sadly it seems the opposite is true. His so-called kookiness is as confected as the sales patter of a second hand car dealer.
These specific allegations - no idea, let the courts decide. But he's not the messiah - and he might well be a very naughty boy.
Fruit loops spreading conspiracy theories that directly harm others are fair game
Has that actually happened on this thread though?
He also puts me in mind of the dealer in Withnail and I:
"Hair are your aerials, man."
Watching Channel 4 Dispatches now.
This looks like a case of fame (celebrity status etc) that brought about plenty of "power" for a person and that power went unchecked which then unleashed on those that submit to or vulnerable to that power.
There are No saints that walk this world where power is concerned. Take away the power the person is nothing.
I'd rather watch a blank screen than Russell Brand doing anything, i just always saw him as being a bit of a fake persona who somehow managed to keep going upwards and had a following that made him popular. I haven't a clue if he's guilty or innocent, as always, you just have to wait for both sides to tell their stories, then court hopefully, but he is pretty much the standard egocentric person who had people never saying no to him, buying into his kookiness and letting him get away with whatever he wanted, that's never going to end well.
“actor and comedian”?!
Where they thinking of Jo perhaps?
And yes, I always wondered who Katherine Ryan was talking about… I thought it was someone she worked with more often.
<p style="text-align: left;"> He's clearly guilty.</p>
Why don't we believe women?
I tried to watch it, I lasted less than 5 minutes. Horribly disturbing accounts from alleged victims.
Still watching but it is unpleasant viewing
It’s just allegations, but the allegations are horrid.
When are they ever not? It's kinda the nature of these things right? Criminal behaviour (alleged or proven) and shithousery worthy of a Dispatches episode are hardly likely to be vanilla. 😶
Interesting that some of the early comments from Brand-supporters were "why not cover the misconduct of the BBC?". And then halfway through the programme, after MTV the BBC appears. And then Endemol/Banijay. And then Channel 4 - the very network that's broadcasting the programme! Can't say fairer than that.
I wonder if we should be more skeptical of other presenters that make sexually transgressive "jokes" live on TV or radio... 🤔
Anyone catch after the adverts, the following film was airing "slightly earlier than advertised." I wonder what they had to cut out at short notice?
i just always saw him as being a bit of a fake persona
I always thought the same until tonight.
Good to see that the usual cultural barometers have come out in support of him:
Especially since most of them (if not all) came out in defence of him before the program/paper were released.
Criminal behaviour (alleged or proven) and shithousery worthy of a Dispatches episode are hardly likely to be vanilla. 😶
Out of all broadcasters on the planet, I'd trust C4/Dispatches to be as accurate and impartial as possible. They are very good at this and there is no way they'd cobble together, well, a programme like we just watched unless they were very sure.
Out of all broadcasters on the planet, I’d trust C4/Dispatches to be as accurate and impartial as possible. They are very good at this and there is no way they’d cobble together, well, a programme like we just watched unless they were very sure.
That was my point.