[Closed] Running engines to keep warm camping rantette...

Got any potatoes ?
Can you get to the exhaust of his van without being seen ?

😉

To be fair its nearly 10.

But it is out of order on a campsite. Needs to go to motorhome site with hookup really

It's the cars you see at campsites that the owners think they need to run so they can charge the tablet or mobile phone...

Very out of order gassing all the other campers with their exhaust.

Mind you, at my gym some Dad dropped his kid off for a 1 hour PT class then retired outside to his Range Rover and sat there for the full hour with the engine on rather than sit on a comfy chair with the other parents in the gym's reception.

Range Rover

Rangeroverist

If it was an Evoque he was probably just too embarrassed.

Hosepipe. 😈

I've seen people sat with their engines running a few times lately (like sat in Tesco's car park to read the paper), clearly fuel isn't dear enough yet 😐

This is one thing that really gets on my nerves. Their is no excuse for it really, like the op said they should be looking at the forecast and then packing adequately for the conditions. I've know people being asked to leave campsites now for leaving engines running.

On that note, I miss my tent… and have a new one arriving this week 😀

a carelessly discarded tent peg possibly left near a rear wheel............

or possibly a padlock and chain on the exit gate,

Isn't it illegal to keep your engine running unnecessarily?

I'd go for the potato thing too, though. Inserted with a broom handle.

Ooooo. Pet hate. There's a mum who arrives early at the school to drop her kid off, parks on the lane (even though the school are constantly asking people not to) then sits there with the engine running chatting to her cronies through the open window

Grrrrrrrrr

We did it at a Le Mans 24hr once, unseasonably cold (bikes so April) and we just didn't have the kit with us.

8 hours 🙂

It's probably the same people who put their car stereo on with the doors open. Because everyone on the campsite wants to listen to builders radio first thing in the morning with the car acting as a bass cannon.

Yeah it was nearly ten, but the clocks went forward so really it was only nine...

I will remember to pack potatoes next time 😈

Oh you're bring back memories of camping rage for me now... Late night Oasis and drunken cavorting...

Give him a link to the eberspacher site.

i'd use a banana, Beverly Hills Cop style. Now, GTFOH 😛

nice quiet mornings on the norfolk broads is usually spoiled by all the cruisers belching fumes & noise out heating up their water for a shower. grrr boils my piss 👿

I think Klunk may be able to supply the boaters with warm liquid.

We were just thinking tonight is going to be one of those nights:

4wd for 90 mins to get to camp site in the middle of nowhere. Get here, kids down road with music on blaring. Just about to [s]charge down there[/s] complain on stw, when it ticks over 9pm and the music stops. Still no idea why you need music in true wilderness, but at least the seem to respect the curfew.

But really, why the **** does anyone want to listen to music in the wilderness? If you wanted music then **** off back to the city!!!

If it's got a campsite accessible by road it isn't really wilderness, is it? Still annoying, mind you.

We have music when camping, but other campers would not be able to hear much more than a faint murmur from small speakers, maybe just enough to recognise the tune. We always park ourselves at the far end away from everyone too.

in the wilderness

you want "wilderness" then bivvy.

you go to a camp site to end up with other people and that, as the saying goes is hell.

campsite ninmbyism does my head in, you need a bit of live and let live, if someone is doing something you don't like, go and have a chat with them, take a beer as a peace offering, you never know you may actually meet some interesting people.

If it's got a campsite accessible by road it isn't really wilderness, is it? Still annoying, mind you.

Define 'road'. We're in a national park, and the last time we saw a gravel road (never mind Tarmac) was 90 mins of first/second gear sand, mud, and rock crawling away.

As for live and let live, how's about enjoying the peaceful countryside you've come to and saving the music for the journey home? Do you really think everyone wants to listen to it?

you go to a camp site to end up with other people and that, as the saying goes is hell.

Actually, I go to camp sites a very long way from anywhere, usually only accessible by a lot of 4wd only track. Usually, they're very small sites (4 plots max). Usually empty.

Still no reason for the music, but I agree, we've met some great people camping. Just none of them inconsiderate ****s with loud music. They're not the sort of people most would describe as interesting

Running engines in the day time either to keep warm or charge game consoles/phones etc is very anti-social. But at night its just plain offensive. Folks that need this level of comfort should camp accordingly with a site that has hook-ups or a club house.

zokes have you spoken to these dick heads? maybe asked if they could turn it down??? Maybe these folks like listening to music whilst relaxing?? maybe you are not the only person in the world that needs pleasing? maybe you would like to go and ask them nicely but your lack of a spine is preventing this? maybe this could be resolved without consulting stw.

zokes have you spoken to these dick heads? maybe asked if they could turn it down??? Maybe these folks like listening to music whilst relaxing?? maybe you are not the only person in the world that needs pleasing? maybe you would like to go and ask them nicely but your lack of a spine is preventing this? maybe this could be resolved without consulting stw.

They're a bunch of drunk teenagers. I doubt they'd listen much.

People who like listening to loud music in a place where most people come for peace and quiet need to be made aware of an invention called earphones. I'm not talking about a large campsite at the edge of town, I'm talking about campsites with no more than four plots in the middle of bloody nowhere. I very much doubt anyone out here but them wants to hear music. I can tell this by the fact that its only the one group with music, yet presumably all the 4wds have car stereos, so presumably can play music.

zokes get off you laptop/ipad/iphone and go for a ride/walk around this loverly countryside! I dont see why anyone would want to pay good money to sleep in a tent and sit in a field all day in silence...... but each to their own init......

no more than four plots

The

bunch of drunk teenagers

have 25% of the vote

I doubt they'd listen much

have you tried?

all the 4wds

are you camping in tesco carpark?

I can tell this by the fact that its only the one group with music, yet presumably all the 4wds have car stereos, so presumably can play music

maybe they are just avoiding a clash in music.....

They're a bunch of drunk teenagers. I doubt they'd listen much.

As long as you're not judging them without knowing then, that's fine 😐

They obeyed the curfew to the minute by the sound of it, so they aren't exactly rebellious law breakers are they ?

If you had the stones to talk to them rather than bitch about them on here instead, you might be having a better weekend 😉

...They're not the sort of people most would describe as interesting

Neither are people who need to spend time posting on a Cycling forum when they are away for a weekend in the wilderness. But what they hell, each to their own eh ? 🙂

I would go for a walk, but it's midnight, so consequently rather dark. And no, not tesco, but the bottom of the Eyre Peninsula in oz. most of the tescomobile 4wds are at the campsite where the Tarmac ended, about 40 Kms away

my choice for not putting the car stereo on was mainly to do with not subjecting the poor sods between us and them to any more noise. It's called consideration for others. You should try it sometime.

More of a rantlett than a rantette I'd say.

If you're somewhere with a data connection to post on here, you're not really in the wilderness.

I also sometimes enjoy a bit of music with my camping, the horror!

People not interesting because they listen to music, lol. I must be a right boring ****er then.

my choice for not putting the car stereo on was mainly to do with not subjecting the poor sods between us and them to any more noise. It's called consideration for others. [B]You should try it sometime[/b].

Who should ?

I'm very happy not to be sat in a field with any of you 😀

I'm even happier to be sitting in my living room, miles from any of you. 😀

I remember watching nuts in may thinking how glad I was people like that didn't really exist... I hadn't signed up to miserabletrackworld then.

People not interesting because they listen to music, lol. I must be a right boring **** then.

+1

Turners Farm in the Lakes last Easter, I had to listen to a family's music blasting out. Why? If you want to listen to music buy some ****in headphones. Who on earth thinks they've been booked into a campsite for a DJ slot. Inconsiderate MTFus.

Surely people go camping in the mountains to get away from the urban sprawl/noise pollution? That's the great thing about the NT site at Langdale & Wasdale Head; you can't park next to your tent.

Turners Farm in the Lakes last Easter, I had to listen to a family's music blasting out.

Did you "have to" listen to it because you failed to ask them to turn it down ?

Or because you asked and they told you that they wouldn't ?

Did you "have to" listen to it because you failed to ask them to turn it down ?

What's this crazy world you speak of whereby people communicate with one another... in person, face-to-face?! What if the person you are communicating with doesn't approve of what you are saying/requesting? They might reject it or shun it, or even be a bit funny with you about it.

No, better to talk about it over a forum where the responses can literally be ignored.

Turners Farm in the Lakes last Easter, I had to listen to a family's music blasting out.

Did you "have to" listen to it because you failed to ask them to turn it down ?
Or because you asked and they told you that they wouldn't ?

I did ask them to turn it down but it was a bit of an ongoing battle: a slightly feral family who didn't communicate very well. But this is beside the point. The issue is a discussion about other people's total lack of empathy for others peace of mind. Whether it's running your engine to keep warm or playing audible music it shows a total disrespect for your neighbours. The blame should never be levelled at the victim of anti-social behaviour but at the perpetrator.

+1 for Eberspacher

http://www.eberspacher.com/products/heating-products.html

I remember turning up at the campsite in Langdale (the first one, not the much nicer NT one along the road). It was busy but there was a big space at the far side of the field and we sallied forth. On reaching the big space, it became clear that the space existed due to a rats nest of a family who were drunkenly screeching at each other over a soundtrack of terrible music.

I'm firmly in the camp (pun intended) which believes in a bit of mutual respect and common decency.

I'm firmly in the camp (pun intended) which believes in a bit of mutual respect and common decency.

Me too.

TBH, it's not worth trying to reason with the morons.

Tried it loads of times, just ends up in conflict.
It's obvious to everyone, including them, that they're ruining the place for everyone else.
They just don't care.

If we're forced to move, I have found that pissing in or just outside their porch and stealing half their pegs whilst they're at the pub makes me feel a whole lot better about life.

Me too.

TBH, it's not worth trying to reason with the morons.

Tried it loads of times, just ends up in conflict.

Whenever I've asked very politely, people have always behaved...maybe looking like a deranged serial killer helps with this? 😯

total lack of empathy for others peace of mind. Whether it's running your engine to keep warm [b]or playing audible music[/b] it shows a total disrespect for your neighbours.

Do you think that playing "audible music" during the hours that the rules allow it shows "total disrespect" ?

If you do, then you need to be at a sight where the rules match your expectations.

If you do, then you need to be at a sight where the rules match your expectations.

Again you are positioning blame towards the victim. Fundamentally this discussion is about the arrogance/ignorance of people that feel happy to create noise pollution in a communal area.

arrogance/ignorance of people that feel happy to create noise pollution in a communal area.

but "noise pollution" is subjective, I'd rather listen to music in a beautiful environment than the whining of those too passive to actually get of their backsides to communicate with others.

and there is no "victim" just those with differing opinions or expectations. Again actual communication with other humans works wonders, you should maybe get out of your little bubble and engage with people.

[b]Again you are positioning blame towards the victim. [/B]Fundamentally this discussion is about the arrogance/ignorance of people that feel happy to create noise pollution in a communal area.

Actually, I'm positioning the the blame with the person who is claiming they are a "Victim"

You described someone playing "Audible music"

Not Loud, or Offensive, just "Audible"

If its within the hours that are allowed on the site, then what have you actually been a "Victim" of ??

If you don't like people playing music at all, then go to a place that doesn't allow it.

If they are not breaking the rules if the site, Why should you get what you want at the expense of anyone else ?

The person playing the music (within the rules) would actually be the "victim" if they were made to stop because you complained.

Again I think we're losing sight of the OP opening argument. We're not debating levels or rules but someone creating noise in a communal environment. Subjective personal comments are a side issue and not part of the debate. Again people are projecting their own taste onto others in the argument that;

I'd rather listen to music in a beautiful environment than the whining of those too passive to actually get of their backsides to communicate with others.

Its this assumption that one is the harbinger of good taste is what I was describing. Why should someone have to "get off their backside" to ask you to turn down your "beautiful" music? Again the assumption that people that you are sharing your environment with, don't have the right not to have to listen to your music. There has to be the possibility that the people sharing your campsite haven't traveled with the purpose of engaging with you?

Again I think we're losing sight of the OP opening argument. We're not debating levels or rules but someone creating noise in a communal environment. [B]Subjective personal comments are a side issue and not part of the debate[/b].

Then why did you post your subjective personal comments then ?

If you hadn't posted them you wouldn't have to tell me off for disagreeing with them would you 🙄

They seemed like you thought they were "part of the debate" when you posted them, but now all of a sudden they are not. I'm confused.

A modern diesel ticking over can be quite a nice noise. An [s]erberscasher[/s] [s]eberspasher[/s] diesel fired space heater can actually be quite noisy in operation from the outside, like a miniature jet engine, without the goosebumps. A good thick sleeping bag is however, fairly quiet.

If you hate ticking over motors you'd hate our firm; we leave our vans running for the entire time that they are operational this time of year, parked up outside addresses, sides of roads, on base, wherever. Saves the downtime of having to arrange a jump start when the batteries inevitably get dragged down by the onboard electrics, and saves the boot time for the satnav type gear, which can seem an age.

just light a great big fire.

Camping used to be fun whewn people respected each other but there are too many muppets around now who are more interested in their rights than their responsibilities. After a couple of nightmare experiences in popular campsites, I only wild camp nowadays.

Playing loud music, kicking footballs around late at night and all the rest are just signs of inability to imagine the effect of one's actions on others and the inability to think in abstract terms is what defines a true moron.

Playing loud music, kicking footballs around late at night

These are both things that I would agree are not on.

Torihada was talking about "audible" music though, not loud music.

That just sounds like someone who loves to complain and will find anything to complain about.

An Eberspächer diesel fired space heater can actually be quite noisy in operation from the outside, like a miniature jet engine

Very true, but:

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I would hate the idea of having to camp in the UK. French sites are so much more civilized with respect for fellow campers.

What's this crazy world you speak of whereby people communicate with one another... in person, face-to-face?! What if the person you are communicating with doesn't approve of what you are saying/requesting? They might reject it or shun it, or even be a bit funny with you about it.

No, better to talk about it over a forum where the responses can literally be ignored.

"Hi, mate, do you mind if I play music? I know otherwise it would be quiet out here so I though I'd pop over and ask"

This would be fine, I'm just confused why the onus should be on the person wanting piece and quiet (presumably the 'default' for being in the countryside) to ask for music not to be on.

go and have a chat with them, take a beer as a peace offering, you never know you may actually meet some interesting people.

Interesting indeed. On a campsite a couple of while back we met a chap whose daughter had been murdered by her husband many years ago. It was pretty much the first thing he said to us. The husband was coming out of jail the next week, and this was the last holiday this chap was taking before he exacted his revenge on his daughters killer. I didn't enquire into details, the conversation trailed off somewhat after that.

Needless to say we didn't play any loud music, or indeed do anything that might have possibly annoyed anyone that evening. 😯

The only way to ensure nothing but the sound of the wind and the odd antisocial sheep is to wild camp in a carefully chosen spot. If you're in a car, picking tiny, slightly out of the way campsites is the next best option.

The general societal attitude that life needs background music, and that the default is that it's OK for that to be broadcast to whoever is nearby is pretty well entrenched - as some of the responses on this thread show - and sadly it's just unrealistic to go to big campsites in tourist areas and expect any different.

Needless to say we didn't play any loud music, or indeed do anything that might have possibly annoyed anyone that evening.

And now you know how to introduce yourself when chatting to folk at campsites. 🙂

I get wound up by people leaving their engines running outside schools or at level crossings, so I'm fully with the OP on that one.

But [i]driving[/i] miles across the "wilderness" and then bitching on the internet about other people playing music... is that an April Fool?

But driving miles across the "wilderness" and then bitching on the internet about other people playing music... is that an April Fool?

I found that rather ironic too.

Note: it is possible to use the Internet without making a noise or impacting anyone else

This would be fine, I'm just confused why the onus should be on the person wanting piece and quiet (presumably the 'default' for being in the countryside) to ask for music not to be on.

Because if the campsite has a "No Music After 9PM" rule then anyone would presume that it's perfectly ok to play music before 9PM.

Because if the campsite has a "No Music After 9PM" rule then anyone would presume that it's perfectly ok to play music before 9PM.

No, the national park has a 'no noise after 9pm' rule. It also has emphasis on respecting others' and the wildlife's peace and quiet at all times.

Note: it is possible to use the Internet without making a noise or impacting anyone else

It was the, "I'm in the wilderness why, can't people enjoy the wilderness" being posted that I found ironic.

It's also possible to enjoy the quiet of the wilderness, and still read and post on the Internet, as there happens to be signal. I assume in your world you should only take paper books, and not a kindle?

I assume in your world you should only take paper books, and not a kindle?

No. In my world if you can get a data signal from a domestic mobile service you're not in the wild.

Sorry, I think I may have started this music stuff bickering. Just to clarify, I don't mind a bit of music but the bass on car stereos is usually all you can hear from any distance and can be heard by all the campsite, so you end up playing 'guess the tune' from the bassline. Ironically the perpetrators don't seem to like others' music, so end up turning their's up to drown out the neighbours' inferior tunes.

wilderness you've reached by driving a 4x4 across for 40km?
🙄

No. In my world if you can get a data signal from a domestic mobile service you're not in the wild.

Well, about 20 Kms away across a bay as the crow flies, there is a small village. I assume the mast is there, and that the expanse of flat water doesn't put up much resistance to 3G signal. It's an entirely 3G network in oz, so you either have 3G or nothing.

Ah seems a bit more like.