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I like Nowell think he's a quality player but if you need a game changer not sure he's your man. Slade has never really impressed me that much. However with the back 3, Tuilagi and Ford Englands starting backs dont really need more pzazz.
Good teams might target Tuilagi's decision making and outside shoulder at 13 and Daly's positioning at 15, other than that you have to stop the big runners on the gainline, no easy task especially if Mako comes back in.
Slade has never really impressed me that much.
I've seen him against Wasps and in the last prem final vs Sarries and obvs in internationals. Every time they play Wasps you can see Slade running the game, he times his runs perfectly, his offloads and distribution are really good. I feel like his time should come..
only weakness I can see is the bench backs dont look like they can add much pzazz if England are behind.
I know what you mean but Nowell is always a bundle of energy when he comes on with an incredible work rate. He carries the ball from anywhere and is handy running at tired defenders. Slade and Nowell can also cover 10-15 between them.
Ireland back to winning ways but their supporters here have all gone quiet!
Guscott didnt like 13 so wore 12, that was a hangover from Bath his club not having a 13 shirt, they used to use letters as I recall.
Bath used numbers but no 13 so full back was 16 - Richmond did the same. Bristol and Leicester used letters, Leicester followed modern numbering order hence ABC front row, Bristol has full back as A (Full backs used to be No 1 in the 50s.)
Ireland back to winning ways but their supporters here have all gone quiet!
I thought it was a bit of a boring game really. But Ireland must be happy with the 5 pt win.
Good teams might target Daly’s positioning at 15
Yeah I don't quite get the Daly at 15 thing. He's a quality rugby player, no doubt, but his best position is outside centre. The problem is that England have an embarrassment of riches at 13 so Jones has to find a place for him. I think Watson should be at 15.
Daly's pace is pretty devastating from 15.
Watson is quicker I suspect.
Italy, Italy, Italy, crazy. Just when they had a chance to get within sight. Hyped up after halftime, but even so, how ridiculous. One red card, two red cards, I don’t suppose it makes much difference. It had felt like some colour of card would come sooner or later.
What a bloody awful tackle by the two Italian props.
So how is Quaglio going to get off the pitch ? There seems to be a contest going on between the Italian props.
I think that Italy may have to call up some extra props for their next match. I think that Quaglio may be cited and banned as well. Shame about Kolbe's injury, I hope he recovers quickly.
What a bloody awful tackle by the two Italian props.
I guess they thought nobody would notice.
What a bloody awful tackle by the two Italian props.
I guess they thought nobody would notice.
Maybe, it was subtly done 😂
Big day tomorrow. Let’s see if England can look like a winning team with some better opposition. Somehow I fell I’m coming away disappointed, albeit with a win.
I've just seen the incident. WTAF?
The whistle had gone, they ball was dead. The two Italian props just mugged the SA player.
Dafter still they were 5 meters from the SA line with penalty advantage.
Its probably the daftest thing I've ever seen on a rugby pitch never mind a world cup match
Big day tomorrow. Let’s see if England can look like a winning team with some better opposition. Somehow I fell I’m coming away disappointed, albeit with a win.
You say that but Ireland have looked ropey this tournament aside from the Scotland match.
Aside from NZ, no one has looked consistently good. Tomorrow is a big day though, Argentina will be well up for it fighting for everything.
Big day tomorrow. Let’s see if England can look like a winning team with some better opposition. Somehow I fell I’m coming away disappointed, albeit with a win.
I have this feeling, which I’d be too pessimistic to admit to if they were my team, that England are going to blow both Argentina and France away.
Lets hope so. If we do don't we face the two most punchable faces in the RWC and the rest of the Aus team?
Personalities aside, Simmons, Curry & Itoje vs Pooper as they are apparently now known will be interesting viewing.
Aside from NZ, no one has looked consistently good
South Africa?
Further to the discussions on anthems I thought I would look at the argentinain one
Mortals! Hear the sacred cry;
Freedom! Freedom! Freedom!
Hear the noise of broken chains.
See noble Equality enthroned.
The United Provinces of the South
Have now displayed their worthy throne.
And the free peoples of the world reply;
We salute the great people of Argentina!
And the free peoples of the world reply;
We salute the great people of Argentina!
May the laurels be eternal
That we knew how to win.
Let us live crowned with glory,
Or swear to die gloriously.
Its a bit better than most. Nothing about smashing your enemies to a pulp.
Yellows aplenty for the Aussies.
Will still win comfortably, but could they see a cumulative red?
12 penalties conceded by oz despite not a lot of pressure.
So glad they got the try they deserved at the end, still dont understand how TMO's can spot offside but not forward passes..
Anyway COME ON ENGLAND 😁😁😁😁😁
Also Wales 4 day turn around v Uruguay didnt worry me as we could play the reserved....not so sure now, they look OK.
Cant remember the last time I sat in the lounge watching telly at this time of day!
Damn! I was relying on Lavanini for a never ending string of penalties.
England lucky not to have a yellow. Arentina stone wall red. Game over
Lucky You, I have been banished to the iPad. Worse; According to herself apparently it doesn't matter if it says "breakfast stout" On the tin. Bit spicy this! Thats two shots on Faz. I will officially feel sorry for him from now on; or not. But can't help feel he should be off for a HIA instead of taking a pen.
Agreed @Duckman, a bash on the head like that should be checked even if there are no immediate symptoms. Both for the player's health and for the example it sets.
A shame this. I'd rather England played a full strength team.
Not the first Early from Tuilagi this year, he needs to be careful.
So many dropped balls. It’s almost ruining this WC.
Coaches like Cheika refusing to acknowledge the high tackle changes are in danger of spoiling it too.
Just back from dog walk, Lavanini true to form! 🤔
Arentina stone wall red.
Having watched the impact a few times, I cannot stop myself seeing Farrell notice the shoulder and aim for it.
Having watched the impact a few times, I cannot stop myself seeing Farrell notice the shoulder and aim for it.
Really? I know most on here hate him but that’s stretching it a bit. Actually quite a lot.
Ford needs a whirl at place kicking given that Farrell has missed all of his so far.
Having watched the impact a few times, I cannot stop myself seeing Farrell notice the shoulder and aim for it.0
Righto 🙄
Na - much as I hate Farrell that was a red all day and twice on Sunday!
Is it me or is the commentary ridiculously optimistic in favour of England. “Under control” “Placing the ball where the want it” “about to score at will”. Hmmm.
Farrel 0 from 4 pretty much demands an HIA I feel. Nervous for Billy’s ankle also, so I’d like to see Farrell off with Slade in, and Billy off for Lawes, Itoje goes to 6 with underhill at 8.
Yeah agree that was a red. Manu very lucky.
Yep, any decent player would see a charging lump of a tackler and deliberately chuck his chin at it. Very clever way to milk a red card. 😂
Having watched the impact a few times, I cannot stop myself seeing Farrell notice the shoulder and aim for it.0
Righto 🙄
Ah, I’ll concede I’m talking shite.
Yes the commentary is total shite. When England were pressuring the line he’s banging on about what they’ll be talking about at half time. And when Youngs scored he’s more interested in bigging up his career than discussing the play.
Someone needs to practice their kicking.....
1st time I've seen Ford look happy about scoring a try, usually looks embarrassed.
Another example of a red card just ruining what could have been a good contest.
Should be a permanent benching for the miscreant but a replacement allowed after 10 minutes.
Like the black card we have in Gaelic footie.
I would tend to agree namaste
Its ruined what could have been a good game.
I do not like the way the players are encouraging the ref to look at the tmo. Last thing the game needs.
Disagree re the red card. Take it away and where’s the punishment for foul play such as that? No one was saying that on here when Daly was red carded for taking the Argentina player in the air a few years ago.
Players know the rules.
I think the red was harsh but I can see why nige has given it. Manu should have had yellow for sure.
Agree that farell should be off for HIA though. If it's deemed bad enough to be a sending off then surely they should pull him for an assessment regardless?
Another great game spoiled by a card though England are looking good with the extra man.
Bring on Japan smashing Samoa!
As an ex ref, we will be keeping the red ta!
If Farrell is going to play at 12 itd be nice if he bloody ran straight!
Actually I said the same thing when Daly got sent off. And SBW against the Lions.
The fact is, the game's changing and you can get sent off for a lot more things nowadays. The Lavanini card was correct, under the laws but it ruined the spectacle.
Ice hockey gets it right as does Aussie Rules. Rugby is getting it wrong.
The barman has just complained about having to change the Guinness barrel at ten thirty in the morning.
Absolutely stupid tackle the red card was a good all, ruining the game is better than ruining someone’s health. The players know the rules he broke them he’s responsible.
Yet another game where we're talking more about the laws and less about the rugby.
England purposefully taking it easy? Playing very poorly. Incredibly boring spectacle.
Stonewall red I have no issue with it.
However this is an entertainment business and its ruined the entertainment. I would like to see it looked at again to see if something can be done . 20 mins then a replacement?
It does. You'd never see the AB's doing this. Self preservation, Subs or fitness? Lets hope its the former.
Good finish by Nowell.
Yup W00dster they know they’ve got this so not pushing themselves nothing much to with Argentina losing a player.
No for a tackle like that TJ you lose a player or what is the point of issuing a red card.
I know the Farrell hate is strong from lurking on this thread but does anyone think his usually very good kicking was affected by being belted in the head?
I imagine most English would have taken that result before the game?
Without wanting to be negative, Farrell and Ford combination doesn’t seem to work for me. Farrell isn’t really a centre.
Back play doesn’t appear to have fluidity to it with them in those positions.
Not sure it was. He missed all 4 kicks 2ft left, so suggests a little technical wrinkle. He stated as much post match.
Farrell is not that good a kicker. I am not surprised he missed some tho thats a particularly poor kicking performance
England are riding high in the table, but the red card stole their chance of really assessing where they are. They still appear to be lacking fluency, but maybe that again is in part due to playing against 14?
So Tj are you rooting for Samoa here? I’m torn. I’d like to see Japan show their tier 1 credentials and produce a performance on a par with their last against Ireland.
C’mon Japan.
I thought Farrell was largely poor today, one or two good bits but quite a few poor decisions as well. It may be due to the smack on his head of course.
England made a 30 point win a snooze fest. This next game should be more fun, Fitzpatrick in the studio, and manu Samoa do a great haka!
Farrell was just poor form nothing to do with that tackle.
does anyone think his usually very good kicking was affected by being belted in the head?
Not really seeing as he'd missed 2 from 2 prior to the incident. He made some kicks after so you could argue that the bang to his head improved his %.
The fact is he's not that great a kicker despite having some good games with the boot over the years.
Samoa playing well and Japan not showing quite the same form they did against Ireland. This could be a good match.
So Tj are you rooting for Samoa here? I’m torn. I’d like to see Japan show their tier 1 credentials and produce a performance on a par with their last against Ireland.
Neutral. I like to see smaller teams do well, I want to see the pacific islands teams do well, I want to see Japan gain parity with tier one teams but why is it always at scotlands expense!
Marginally Japan to win I guess even if thats bad news for scotland
Dreadful late tackle, don't know why players do it. They surely know it's going to be caught and then immediate yellow.
Shall we agree on Samoan exiles winning but without a bonus TJ.
🙂
I want to see Japan gain parity with tier one teams but why is it always at scotlands expense!
I guess it’s because for a while now Scotland have been borderline tier 1/2 and some of the tier 2 teams can out perform them too often. Or at least run them close.
Didn't they play earlier? Or was that Tongan exiles 😆
Going back to England arg match, did anyone else notice a bit of soccer-style face clutching on the ground after late or potentially dangerous tackles? This Beginning to creep into rugby is not the way we should be going...
Maybe that was why manu didn't see yellow
Japan Samoa. Best game I have seen for a while.