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surely the many missed kicks actually decided the match ...

I really don't see that it should matter whether it's a first round match or a final - if the referee sees a red card offence he should act upon it as he sees fit regardless of whether it might 'spoil' a big match.

But apply the process I have shared TJ, which comes from an elite ref,and it wasn't a red...which it wasn't anyway :D..."Flirting with red" is an issue when there is no video or citing panel. Ref could yellow, panel upgrade, that is the supposed back up we have. Rolland will be getting hammered,I have run touch on one Magners game, I got a DVD of how I had done,Imagine how they are going to go through him?

It didnt cost us the match the failure to kick pens and the conversion cost us the match but it had a huge impact on the game and will also be on the record of Warburton.

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As much as I'd hate to see the Aussies win it, the prospect of Wales vs NZ in the 3rd place playoff is enticing. A saffer mate of mine has had France as his outside pick since the end of the 6N. SURELY not???

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Rolland will be getting hammered,I have run touch on one Magners game, I got a DVD of how I had done,Imagine how they are going to go through him?

the pen near the end that led to 1/2p's kick was even worse, admittedly I was pacing the living room like a demented idiot at the time but when the ref blew the whistle I was fully expecting a yellow card for Girafferis. He placed the ball 3 times and there was no ruck formed and so the frenchman couldnt have come in from the side surely.

I thought he was making amends as it was so blatantly a penalty to France.

I wonder if Gav would of made that kick 😉

[url= http://gwladrugby.com/ ]It is hard to imagine a more heart-breaking defeat. Down to 14 men for the last hour, and having lost our cornerstone on the tighthead after only 10 minutes, Wales had no right to be in this match at all; and yet we were. Thanks to a remarkable display from the Welsh, and a remarkably negative approach from the French, we spent the last 20 minutes of the game a single point behind – and that, of course, is where the real heart-break was. We had no right to be so close – but having got there against all the odds, we had opportunity after opportunity to steal the victory, and simply could not do it. Attacking lineout after attacking lineout was thrown away, kicks at goal hit the woodwork or fell inches short, drop goal attempts went badly wrong or simply didn’t happen, and the final whistle brought an unlikely dream to a bitter en[/url]

To be fair, it was a hell of a long way! I'm always surprised at how far top flight kickers can actually launch the ball.

I wonder if Gav would of made that kick

of course he would, no question. He'd have put down the winger properly too, like he did with Tait

surely the many missed kicks actually decided the match ...

Watch the leadup for Halfpenny's penalty attempt - i'm sure Phillips stood off inviting the French to give away the penalty which they did - high stakes.

surely the many missed kicks actually decided the match ...

But if we had kicked some points, would the French have upped their game and scored a try?

The French were rubbish. They couldn't have upped anything.

With 15 men Wales would have won by a bundle. With 14 they'd have still nicked it if some of the kicks had gone over.

It's all ifs, buts and history, no? I'm looking forward to both the final and March 17 2012. 😈

simple fact is Wales would have hammered them with 15 and should still have won by a good margin with 14 had a few kicks gone over, opportunity missed again. We need to beat whoever we play in the 3rd place match to have made real progress. Beating Samoa, and Ireland is not progress.

Rolland would of sent off Gav for his tackle on Tait 😀

Beating Samoa, and Ireland is not progress.

Question for Duckman (or any other refs on here):

What does "start with a red and work backwards from there..." mean?

Is it - the ultimate sanction for this offence is a red but you can consider lesser sanctions if you see fit?

intresting would rolland have sent him off for the first one?

Rolland sent fritz off here, loose worse than Warbs hit but not a lot, picks him up higher and looks more intentional and drove him down.

another one here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hRb9WuUDzo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpM0NFb8Xog&feature=related

AA on today showing yes he would.

I thought he put him down quite carefully, how else can you do it?

Hey a_a, if I were you I'd stop scouring the web for tackles worse than today's which were punished less or you'll never stop.

Get off here and get out there and sink a few pints is my advice. 😉

this one is actually pretty funny!

this one is much worserer

another dirty wales captain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThFZRIyQpp8&feature=related

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thanks for your input so eloquent

Shit man, not still going on about that bloody tackle? I thought people would be looking forward to the 2 best teams in the world squaring up tomorrow. I certainly am.

You're not Welsh are you Dez? You'd understand if you were 🙂

My mum is. I'm extremely disappointed for Wales and thought the ref was an idiot, but as Jamie Roberts said after the game, time to move on.

We will when we're ready.

That will be 2015, when we win.

Get over it? Like NZ do, every 4 years? 😉

but as Jamie Roberts said after the game, time to move on.

I'm already over it really - glad we still have another game tbh, would suck even more to be on a plane. Should be able to see what we can do against good opposition.

Too right, Friday's game should be fun...especially if its against the All Blacks! 😆

Was working today and following on live text on BBC. Suprised by how close it was given how much advantage is meant to be given by a yellow card (about 5-7 points if I remember correctly)

Watched the game on ITVplayer (painful. The tackle seen at full speed with all the French players upset immeadiately after could have been seen as a spear tackle. Would have been sensible to call over his touchjudges to discuss. Was he influenced by being able to understand what the French were claiming happened?

However what upset me most was the sheer lack of ambition by the French. With a 1 man advantage for 60mins to be hanging on with a 1 point lead at the end shows how poor they were. They appeared to have no desire to attack the Welsh and expose the numerical advantage. It was like watching England. Actually even England would have tried to open up a score. Just awful.

Don't mind who wins tomorrow as long as they humiliate this weak gutless team.

However what upset me most was the sheer lack of ambition by the French. With a 1 man advantage for 60mins to be hanging on with a 1 point lead at the end shows how [s]poor they[/s] good the Welsh were

However what upset me most was the sheer lack of ambition by the French. With a 1 man advantage for 60mins to be hanging on with a 1 point lead at the end shows how poor they were. They appeared to have no desire to attack the Welsh and expose the numerical advantage. It was like watching England. Actually even England would have tried to open up a score. Just awful.

Don't mind who wins tomorrow as long as they humiliate this weak gutless team.

Completely agree.

Yes, the Welsh were very good and obviously spurred on by the feeling of injustice. They missed Priestland as Hook was poor and Jones too negative.

However at this level the semi final of the World Cup for a team to be down to 14 men and the opposition to be as gutles as this French team were was disgusting.

It's an affront to the glorious history of running french rugby.

I hope they get thumped.

Missing post glitch.

Would agree the Welsh were fantastic. The missed Priestland as Hook was poor and Jones too negative.

However the French performance was an affront to the glorious history of running French rugby and flair.

I hope they get thumped in the final.

I also agree. Neither France nor Australia deserve to be in a final. Sad, really.

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Bumpy****socks!

But apply the process I have shared TJ, which comes from an elite ref,and it wasn't a red...which it wasn't anyway :D..."Flirting with red" is an issue when there is no video or citing panel. Ref could yellow, panel upgrade, that is the supposed back up we have. Rolland will be getting hammered,I have run touch on one Magners game, I got a DVD of how I had done,Imagine how they are going to go through him?

So what happens if breadman was only given a yellow, which was then upgraded to a red and a ban in the citing commission; and if Wales had won? Would France have lost to a team that should only have had 14 players on the field? Piennar tried to bring a sliver of balance back to the pundittery at the end of the match with this statement, which if you look at it5 objectively, is reasonable enough.

As ever with Wales (and certainly England - especially at football), it's always someone else's fault.

Nae-buzz depends on what you judge as intent and consequence, as I put above.

of course he would, no question. He'd have put down the winger properly too, like he did with Tait

Good to see he is a rock for you in times of trouble.

•"Rolland u've had a shocker.... Not the first time either!!! We're not here to watch u.... (England wing Mark Cueto)
•"Should have been a yellow but never a red, poor Sam he's been the heart and soul of Wales! (England full-back Ben Foden)
•" Yellow card, no one says another word. Sam Warbuton wrongly sent off. " (Scotland scrum-half Rory Lawson)
•"Really gutted for Wales - never a red card" (Ex-Scotland lock Doddie Weir)
•"Gutted for the Welsh lads been team of the tournament!" (England centre Mike Tindall)

Shit sympathy from HRH and Ben Foden, your right it is time to move on.

OK last word on this from me (I hope)

So what happens if breadman was only given a yellow, which was then upgraded to a red and a ban in the citing commission; and if Wales had won? Would France have lost to a team that should only have had 14 players on the field

The injustice is the lack of consistency by refs, similar tackles have gone unpunished or been yellowed with later bans, from the IRB directive the ref was most likely right although the wording of that is maddeningly inconsistant (what constitutes "a height"). Its certainly the softest straight red I've seen.

And finally what worries me is the Warburton tackle was a decent low down tackle, its these where you risk having the players momentum carry him up. It'll mean players will have to aim higher around the chest and go for the big smash, is this why we see so many high tackles go unpunished or even lauded as great hits, with a smaller area to aim for more will slip high. Apart from the odd real screamer like Rush on Lawes, when was the last time someone got a straight red for a high tackle?

as said earlier this pretty much sums up my view
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2011/oct/15/france-wales-rugby-world-cup?newsfeed=true

I don't blame Alain Rolland for Wales's World Cup exit against FranceThe tip tackle has been prioritised by Rugby World Cup authorities but other referees have failed to act

[url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/welsh/15323153.stm ]Well, here's one person who agrees it was a red...[/url]

Good to see he is a rock for you in times of trouble.

I luvs him 😆

just snaffled this from another site, assuming NZ beat Aus

If we beat Australia (by less than 15 points) then we will rise back to 4th place - ahead of Australia but behind South Africa and France. 😀

If we beat Australia (by more than 15 points) then we will climb to 2nd place.
😆
If we lose to Australia then we will fall to 8th place - behind Ireland.
😕

so if wales loose the third place game, we will finish 4th at the world cup, having beaten Ireland but still go home with a lower world ranking then when we started and below a team we beat!

Which goes to show that the rankings are pants.

Reading the last half dozen "blame the ref" pages has been like reading a football thread.

I dont blame the red I blame the IRB and Paddy O'Brian.

As long as there's [i]someone[/i] to blame.

3 week ban.
[url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/welsh/15325714.stm ]Les Bleus head coach Marc Lievremont also reiterated he thought referee Alain Rolland had made the correct decision. "[People] can talk about injustice but I have seen the footage again and the red card is justified," he added. "The referee was consistent. I can't help it if their kicker was not as good as ours. I don't know if the best team won but France are in the final."[/url]
Morning deadly, good holiday?

DD I wonder how you would of reacted if the boot was on the other foot 😀

They dont like Quade Cooper 😀 did anyone see that Kiwi vox popped
What do you think of QC? He is a criminal. Thats a bit strong. He is Australian one and the same.

so - todays game?

He's a kiwi you twunt, born and bred in Tokoroa !
He is not liked because kiwis are one eyed and he kneed richie mcCaw in the head.
Nervous about this one...

Reading the last half dozen "blame the ref" pages has been like reading a football thread.

In fact, it's probably very similar to the thread that happened after England were dumped out of the footy WC last year "because of the ref"...

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b014b5j9/The_Lions_New_Zealand_1971/ ]71 Lions Documentary[/url]

Just thought I'd ping this iplayer link up in case anyone missed it. Really enjoyable viewing, that's some beautiful rugby.

Come on NZ!

Please don't choke ABs! Please!

And you can keep quade by the way

I hardly think making the semi's they can be labeled chokers.Lets face it some of the highly rated teams havnt even made it this far.TRY go Gag.

I think I want to inappropriately touch Israel Dagg

Well, looks like Wales will get to play Australia after all....

I think I want to inappropriately touch Israel Dagg

You see, you Kiwis actually differ very little from the Welsh, even in terms of your strange sexual fetishes 😆

Why are France having to play two games on the trot? I thought they were a top tier nation.

Quade cooper really is utterly sh1te

Bit harsh calling me a twunt 😐

I've often called you worse Pigface. 😀

THAT is what Wales should have done yesterday...

Sorry Pigface

What a game of rugby eh guys?!

Christ I hope next week the Blackness hit the French as hard as they're hitting the convicts!

None of the Aussies want the ball!

Cooper has put in some ok tackles, but he seems scared shitless when he gets the ball.

Job half done now to finish them off 😀

If Mcaw has a bad foot I wonder how good he would be at full fitness?

Its aint over yet.Shame its not the final

Good start shame we missed a couple of kicks. Hopefully Ted will get up them at half time and we will smash them in the second half. Imagine a France v Oz final - jeeeesus

You know,I actually wouldn't bother even watching it