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Zokes take the chip off and get real

Really harsh,that WAS a yellow,despite anything Alfie might say.But a red? No clucking way

VERY HARSH sending off! well done ref *slow claps*

Test book .....what like BOD in Lions v NZ

Bolleaux -wrong decision

oh well, it was good while it lasted 😥

are wales seen as a threat to nz if they make the final hence red card?

what are the odds on the ref seeing that again at half time and feeling he needs to even up in 2nd half? watch this space!

Joke decision.

WTF great way to ruin a World Cup FFS what was he thinking?

the ref is half french...

Zokes take the chip off and get real

Admittedly from wiki as I'm trying to watch the match, but:

The IRB has also said that in Rugby Union a spear tackle should be a straight red card.

No chips to get off, rules is rules etc. Funny how everyone's complaining now the boot's on the other foot

Put your head back up your own arse Zokes,learn the rules before you spout off with your nobody likes the master race pish. Why is it that we are not talking about an English spear tackle? Oh aye,despite ITV's support you are not there. Very refreshing to be watching a game without updates on England.

Dump tackle-not deliberate= yellow.Deliberate= Red.
I won't talk about spear tackles,because that wasn't a spear tackle.

Excuse my ignorance but how was it not a spear tackle?

FFS - that's a ludicrous decision. Half the world's been waiting all week for this game and the ref's ruined it as a contest after 20mins.

the law:

Lifting a player from the ground and dropping or driving that player into the ground whilst that player’s feet are still off the ground such that the player’s head and/or upper body come into contact with the ground is dangerous play.

Ooh look at her!

Clear spear tackle. certain yellow and yo are allways at risk of a red.

'tis a shame for the neutral as it might spoil the game but its not that out of order as a decision

Not driven into the ground

Don't worry, with defence like that Wales can still do it. WILL do it!
Hook really needs to start kicking the ball in to touch now though, instead of giving France possession!

How is it a ludicrous decision given that it was a spear tackle? Or is the spear tackle part in doubt? Can't blame the ref for 'ruining the contest' if he's applying the laws of the game correctly, blame the guy who broke the rules.

FFS - that's a ludicrous [s]decision[/s] tackle. Half the world's been waiting all week for this game and the [s]ref's[/s] captain's ruined it as a contest after 20mins.

FIFY

wales are playing amazing

come on hook

The welsh commentator said it was a really strong perfect tackle, talk about one eyed commentary.
He turned Clerc upside down and dropped him on his head, really dangerous. It's a minimum yellow, can easily see it being justified as a red.

Uphill battle for the welsh now. Especially with the scrum starting to creak. Hope they can still do it!

Wales can still do this.

right one of the front row has to break and take it to uncontested scrums

It's a minimum yellow, can easily see it being justified as a red.

sadly true, I think it was a yellow, but red is harsh.

[i]Not driven into the ground
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back of the neck hit the ground then forearm in the face iirc!
Get over it, Wales will still win

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That's a red spear tackle.

The welsh commentator said it was a really strong perfect tackle, talk about one eyed commentary.

The welsh commentator said it was a really strong perfect tackle, talk about one eyed commentary.

The Welsh Phil Vickery...

Gatland Edwards Howley and McB have got to give the mother of all team talks at half time.

Zokes was right

*wishes both teams could lose*

England would have been 10 points clear by now

😉 😛

inigomontoya - Member

Not driven into the ground

You don't have to - lift his legs above his head you have a responsibility to put him down safely. Dropping him on his head is not putting him down safely

Old grump; spear tackle is just that,not attempt to use arms in tackle. Used to Nonu's speciality,run hard into somebody's chest with your shoulder.
A dump tackle has been under scrutiny since BoD in NZ. Up to then it was covered by dangerous play. 09/10 different interpretations of what is a dump and a spear, a dump CAN be accidental, a player trying to reach over to pass out of the tackle can ride up. Hence yellow/red distinction. The distinction is made in how the player is put down, driven= red, no arguement. dropped= yellow.

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Just a penalty for this one

Wales responding fantastically so far, utter commitment.

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That's a red spear tackle.
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So was Warburton's.. See where he's sitting?

Blimey, this half has flashed by!

You don't have to - lift his legs above his head[b] you have a responsibility to put him down safely.[/b] Dropping him on his head is not putting him down safely

I think he did it a safely as he could in the circumstances.
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have read what people are saying about spear tackles

he hit him in middle legs went up (were not lifted)

no use of arms in tackle (both were around player)

i agree him did not put him down gently but he did not land on head only

Lifer is that pick upside down?

Well done Wales good half under the circumstances, lets hope a calm down @ half time sorts them out.

It'll be interesting to see it againj at half time, but there didn't seem to be any attempt to drive the player into the ground- he tackled him low and the guy. Seemed to go backwards - seen worse things go completely unpunished at this world cup.

Watch it again in a minute. Then forget it and get on with the second half

Wales need Stephen Jones on at half time. They need to kick every penalty and take every chance with the drop goals to win this game.
It wasn't a red card offence. It was reckless but not malicious so deserved a yellow and no more.

bottom line is the Warbaurton tackled looked accidental and he did try to not dump him as far as my eye could see. Red was a risk but very harsh IMO. Looks like this French team could be the worse ever World Cup finalists, they've been shite.

If the replay shows him landing on his back/shoulder then it's unfair! 👿

How can a half French ref be neutral?

See - even Francois agrees with me!

I'll take Pienaar's assessment over anyone on here!

EDIT - too late!

I agree with Francois!

Oz France final and no one will care who wins 😥

Looks like the professional rugby players agree with me then 🙂

Bloody double post

not malicious therefore a yellow is plenty. didnt spear him into the ground. dropped him on his back

this must have cost NZ plenty

maybe thats why they say they cannot afford to go to the next world cup

Love nuggets optimism 🙂
Come on Wales!

to be fair, seen at full speed that tackle would have looked well dodgy.
BUT
i agree with francois, why not consult touch judges or use the video for such an important decision- SHOCKING ARROGANCE from the ref. no surprise there then!

ITV coverage as usual over blowing things, the red is not a totally wrong descision, but was very, very harsh.

Probably time to watch Zulu at half time in the Welsh dressing room then

But they're right in saying it was the wrong decision for the game.

It was the wrong tackle for the game

A real shame that. Unlucky to get the red but it was still a dangerous tackle. You can see him let go halfway through and not drive through, can't really see how you could put someone down much more gently than that. Still hoping that Wales can do the business. They are going to have to defend perfectly in the second half, but you can still see them scoring. And as aa says, they need to mash one of the front row in the dressing room door a few times 😉

DS, that bring it home thing was a joke, just paraphrasing some of the media shift. Still:

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Alain Roland is an Irishman with a French mother refereeing a Semi Final between France & Wales, which Wales arrived at by beating Ireland. That sounds so ridiculous I can't believe i didnt just make it up

Alain Roland is an Irishman with a French mother refereeing a Semi Final between France & Wales, which Wales arrived at by beating Ireland. That sounds so ridiculous I can't believe i didnt just make it up

He is one of, if not the best, referees in the world, having refereed many games at [i]the[/i] highest level. Tackling like this however....

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If Wales win this, and I think they can, without Jones and with Roberts in the scrum, and down to 14, then whoever wins tomorrow will have to be at their absolute best to beat them in the final. France lifted a bit after Warburton went, but Wales have thoroughly outplayed them so far.

Hook off, not a bad idea.

A little information in the wrong hands is always dangerous zokes.

A little information in the wrong hands is always dangerous zokes.

Sticking your fingers in your ears and pretending it's all a conspiracy is considerably worse...

The next score will dec

Good to see someone in the Welsh camp is keeping an eye on STW for my words of advice.

The next score will decide this game

I've no idea what you're talking about zokes.
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Sticking your fingers in your ears

Why would I need to do that, I've got my tinfoil hat on?

I've no idea what you're talking about zokes.

Sorry - I knew it wasn't you, but someone up there wearing a tin foil hat did indicate that it was fixed reffing because Wales might be too good for the All Blacks. I didn't make that clear.

We can't have this French team in the World Cup final! They'll get destroyed!
COME ON WALES!

Forgiven. 😀

no tin foil here just honesty

COOOOMEEEEEE OOOOOONNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!

Game on