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Hahahahaha.

Ireland and NZ figures almost identical.

You're 'aving a giraffe mate.

Bumpety dump.

Can't see the Gloucester Exiles putting 4 tries past England so looks like they will be thankfully back at Kingsholm a bit earlier than expected. 😀

DS you have me on killfile? I just said exactly the same thing as you 5 posts up...

Killfile is for children, I prefer the more adult method of ignoring certain log-in names. 😉

Ah ok.

It all gets a bit confusing the permutations but I have copied this from a rugby forum and it seems to be right

So that is interesting. It means if Argentina get 5 points against Georgia, Scotland can go through instead of England by beating England by more than 8 points (and denying England a 4-try bonus point).

That would put both Scotland and England on 14 points, with Argentina top on 15 points. Scotland would go through on the direct result.

Obviously it's easier if Argentina lose, but it's possible for Scotland to tie with England on points and go through, despite the hugely inferior points difference, provided Argentina don't also draw level on points.

that is quite possible - for Scotland to beat England by more than 8 pts.

TeeJ I love you for your eternal optimism. Don't ever change sweetcheeks. 😀

Darcy, he's right though. It is [i]quite possible[/i] just not [i]quite likely[/i].

😉

No O'Flashearty, it's [i]quite[/i] possible.

It is theoretically possible but not likely.
Teej do not believe other peoples crap do your own research man. (and you two naughty boys cfh & DD) .
The "direct result" is only 1 part of 5 steps that need to be gone throught to rank the pool in the event of a draw.

From the RWC site rules page [url= http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/tournamentrules/index.html ]http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/tournamentrules/index.html[/url]
If you read the page or the quote below you will see that the pool rankings are determined by steps 1-5 below (see bold bit) .
If scotland beat us by 8 then ok they go up one rank because they won, but then we go up because of points diff, tries diff, points tally and tries tally.

So unless scotland can put 81 points on us, and 15 tries even with a pool pts draw, we still go through. Or then they have to go up by 4 ranks as they are currently 8th and we are 4th. [url= http://www.irb.com/rankings/full.html ]IRB rankings[/url]

Rankings at the completion of the pool phase

At the completion of the pool phase, the teams in a pool are ranked one through five based on their cumulative match points, and identified respectively as winner, runner-up, third, fourth and fifth.

If at the completion of the pool phase two or more teams are level on match points, then the following criteria shall be used in the following order until one of the Teams can be determined as the higher ranked:

The winner of the match in which the two tied teams have played each other shall be the higher ranked;
The team which has the best difference between points scored for and points scored against in all its pool matches shall be the higher ranked;
The team which has the best difference between tries scored for and tries scored against in all its pool matches shall be the higher ranked;
The team which has scored most points in all its pool matches shall be the higher ranked;
The team which has scored most tries in all its pool matches shall be the higher ranked;
[b]Should the tie be unresolved at the conclusion of steps 1 through 5,[/b] the team that is higher ranked in the updated Official IRB World Rankings on October 3, 2011.

That's what I said! 😉

So unless scotland can put 81 points on us[England]

That is also [i]quite possible[/i].

Yeah I know CFH, you said it with more "brevity" than I. 😆

81 points. ho ho

O'Flashearty you ninja editing b'stard you! 😮

MY EDTNG IZ NNJA

stevewhyte - Member
Ref was a ucnt and thats all im saying on the matter.

He was indeed. Ritchey Gray should have been carded for pulling a man down at the line-out, and the ref kept alternating penalties at the scrum where Argentine were dominant. I'd also play devil's advocate and suggest that Morrison should have been carded at 40 seconds for a very cynical shoulder charge on Contepomi. It wasn't crossing as the ref said, he just wanted to smack the main Argie playmaker early on.

toys19 - Member
Yeah that is your only hope, beat us and georgia beat arg. Neither likely.. Can anyone see scotland putting four tries on us?

I can quite see Scotland winning, but not with 4 tries.

Toys you've misunderstood that rule. You only go through as many steps as you need to to split the teams. If they beat us and are level on points then they are above us in the pool on the direct result - the first of the 5 steps. The other steps are irrelevant as the teams were split on the first.

sssh

just watched the highlights prog, its quite amazing how poor a set of professional rugby players are at straightening, fixing and drawing a player before passing, seemingly no one in the Scotland team can do it. Watch Comtempomi in the lead up to their try for a lesson on how to do it.

Ohhh AA you are viscous. Anyway half fthe england team have the same affliction..

to be fair the welsh midfield aint too hot at it either, its why Wales miss the man god Henson so much, he does this seemingly simple thing extremely well. How many times do we see even at this level people butcher overlap chances by throwing misspasses.

viscous

I dont pour well?

I dont pour well?

Exactly..

I'm sticking to my ego do it all yourself theory. Thats the root cause of no/crap offloads.

Indeed AA. Contepomi created the space for the try really well although the scorer stillhad a lot to do and a couple of tackles missed

Scotland usually make a load of offloads. Todays loss was all about the breakdown - how many times did Argentina take the ball - not so much the fault of the tackled player but that of the supporting players - first to the breakdown gets the ball or a penalty and usually the first there was an argie. Scotland just didn't ruck properly.

I shall console myself with
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Pretty much the perfect beer for you, TJ! 😉

I have a bottle of Fuller's Golden Pride chilling. 'Tis a scary monster....

Now then, about the game tomorrow.

Wales WILL win. Of that I am sure. By a good enough margin? I really don't know.

CaptainFlashheart - Member

Pretty much the perfect beer for you, TJ!

Indeed - I am spicy, aromatic and zesty. that is what you mean isn't it?

If you haven't tried that beer O'Flashearty, I can recommend it. Bootiful blonde ale. 🙂

The only real consolation I can take from today's game is that it really does put some spice into next weekeend's fixtures

In all honesty Scotland are all but on the plane home :-(. But... It is not a totally ridiculous dream (and for now that is all we have)that Scotland can beat England by > 7 points AND Argentina will get a BP against Georgia (who will have had a thumping encounter with Romania mid week). Likely? No. Possible? Maybe.

If Scotland beat England by 8 points or more there will be some nervous onlookers at 3am Sunday morning!!! English hoping for a tight game with a close result or draw. Scotland hoping for anything but a close Argentine win.

Certainly have tried it, Darcy. For Scotchish beers, I prefer Williams Bros or Brewdog, though.

Of course this does set up a heroic failure opportunity for Scotland - what odds do I get on Scotland winning but by not enough? So England go thru on a losers bonus point?

TJ you are asking for odds but are not a betting man? I bet you a fiver on the argies beating you, you wouldn't take it. How about a fiver on England winning next weekend? Or call it two pints chosen and purchased by the loser to be bestowed on the winner?

I have a bottle of Fuller's Golden Pride chilling

chilling?
beer should not be chilled, unless you don't want to taste it
I guess it's a strong one isn't it so maybe you don't want to taste it
.
I'm having a room temperature one of these 🙂
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Brakes, cellar temperature!

It's quite the little fighter of a beer, too.

Beer should be 12 / 13 degrees C. Not chilled but not room temp either

my beer cellar (behind the sofa) is next to a drafty window, so is probably about 15 C 😛

Right, back to rugby.

Winning margin for tomorrow? I'm going for 30.

CaptainFlashheart - Member

Right, back to rugby.

No I'm sulking.

I would hope for more than 30points but then this is Wales so any sort of bonus point win will do.

Shetland Pony this morning, little hoarse 😀

Let's start with the important things. $7.50 for a can of Heineken FFS. Had high hopes on the burgers as well but same sh1t in fancy nancy new wrapper, $7.50 for that as well. Would have been more nutritous to eat my shoes.

Awful night for rugby really but I expected that to suit us a bit more. Great atmosphere, HUGE amount of pumas fans - all good fun. Distinct lack of pipers as well 🙄 Was freezing cold and miserable. We really have no look of a team that could go anywhere eh ? I'd be ambarassed to go up against SA/Wallabies/AB in this state. Oh well, good game shaping up next Saturday. Also extremely awesome to bump into an old mate at the trough pre-game. Not much hand shaking happened to be fair ...

Bore da!

Just hoping for no major injuries today.....

Shwmae

Black? Black?

Aaaaargh!

Morning, nice settling start there... 😀
Nice shot looking over the stadium to the snow capped mountains.

😆
Running on to the passes apparently does work.

Hymns and arias in Taranaki!

And, those new posts strike again!

😆

A good job, well done.

Happy with that. Good to see Namibia get a try as well! 🙂

Sorry to digress from the Wales game (although they played well)....

Looking at he the Eng/Sco/Arg group there are several possibilities for qualification.

If Scotland beat England by more than 7pts and Argentina win without a BP then all three sides will have 14pts. On head-to-head this would rank Scotland above England, England above Argentina and Argentina above Scotland. (I'm assuming Scotland won't get 4 tries in any scenario.) This would leave points difference as the decider so with Eng 79, Arg 32, Scot 18 (currently) that order is unlikely to change enough so Eng/Arg qualify.

If Scotland win by 7pts or less then England get 15pts and win the group and Argentina are second if they win whether or not they get the bonus point.

If Scotland win by more than 7pts and Argentina win with a bonus point then Argentina win the Group with Scotland second.

If Scotland lose they could still qualify but they'd need a bonus point and Argentina to lose by more than 7pts.

Think that covers it? 🙂

Think so Namaste.

If Scotland win by more than 7pts and Argentina win with a bonus point then Argentina win the Group with Scotland second.

this is perfectly possible and wouldn't half make me laugh.

Scotland going home is the most likely

Yeah, would be a shame. On current form England will trounce them though... but you never know with England Scotland eh?
Couldn't believe they let that Argie try in. I've never been tense during a Scotland game before!! That last 10 mins must have been murder for Scottish fans.

*prepares to spend week worrying about Italy game*

Scotland exit leaves a free place in my top ten. 🙂

Dez - we are used to it - sort of 🙁

I'm glad Wales pulled it together in the end! The end of the first half was starting to look iffy.

No-one had a bad game as such but Priestland seems to prompt Wales in to attack much better than Jones. Jones didn't do too badly considering he's been out for a while but how many interception passes does he throw?!

Plus, if Wales get any injuries to the wings then we now know we have cover in the form of Gethin Jenkins 😀

[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/scotland-asked-to-be-less-predictable-201109264345/ ]"There comes a point at which it would be easier if the headline was a just a special symbol, like the Batman logo, but for total failure."[/url]

*refrains from obvious image related gag...*

Agree with Flash todays kit is awful.

Mongo looked very good which is always a suprise. Happy with that.

"While Eskimos may have 50 words for snow, Scots have more than 800 words for abject humiliation."

pfffff

LOLz at CFH

Meanwhile Scotland's top cricketers were asked to leave the Commonwealth Pool in Edinburgh after using it to deep fry a giraffe they had stolen from the local zoo.

Scotland won the world elephant polo championships - git it richt up ye

Yes wales in black, nearly as crap as england in black..

Scotland won the world elephant polo championships

Chelsea Highlanders.....

this is perfectly possible and wouldn't half make me laugh.

aracer - Member

this is perfectly possible and wouldn't half make me laugh.

I'll allow you that, given how much amusement all of us from your native land will get when we send your adopted country home.

Ssshhhhh. The fat lady hasn't started singing yet.

*Can resist no longer....*

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what's the score with Ireland's group...is it a straight loser gets the bus home in the Ireland/Italy match

Nope Ireland are looking good, but it rests on the remaining performances of Italy and Australia. Italy still have to play USA and Ireland. Australia still have Russia to go.

Mathematical possibilities below at end of pool stages. Draw your own conclusions. Whilst the odds are in Ireland's favour I would not bet the farm just yet if Italy do well against USA I imagine they will go into the Ireland game with high hopes. If they lose against USA then Ireland can lose to them and still go through.

Ire 13 poss 13 to 18
Aus 10 poss 10 to 15
Italy 5 poss 5 to 15
USa 4 poss 4 to 9
Russia 1 poss 1 to 6

Australia play Russia before Italy/Ireland? If Australia fail to get the BP (admittedly unlikely), wouldn't a narrow win for Italy, with both scoring 4 tries be hilarious?!

Can losing side get 2 bp's then? I had wondered if this was possible. So both sides score 4 tries and there is less than 7 points in it. Ire on 14 Italy on a poss 15, aus on 14. Home the wallabies would go....

Now that would be funny.

I would chuckle heartily. 🙂

Ahh look a unifying concept on the RWC thread, makes me all warm and fuzzy..

While that would be funny, Ireland won't slip up against Italy they will win well in order to stay in the easier side of the draw

Ireland [i]shouldn't[/i] slip up against Italy. Not a foregone conclusion though. Italy will have everything to play for.

Funniest thing about Ireland v Wales? The pre-match fight to be underdogs. 🙂

toys19 - Member
Ahh look a unifying concept on the RWC thread, makes me all warm and fuzzy..

Hate to disappoint, yet again!!

Funniest thing about Ireland v Wales? The pre-match fight to be underdogs

Beacoup de LULZ!

Toys, looks like you forgot our Canary Yellow friend Dez?

Since England played OK in the last game are you going to revert to being English or stay plastic Aussie till the end of the tournament? If so I haven't seen anywhere near enough moaning about the ref in the Ireland game, or how the nasty Americans hurt you after the game was won and you were advancing fair etc

DezB sorry.. Northern hemisphere brotherhood. TBH I would rather get beaten by you guys than any northern hemisphere team. Despite the crowing when you win my experience of Aussies as good losers made me think they were OK.

Ireland shouldn't slip up against Italy. Not a foregone conclusion though. Italy will have everything to play for.

Come on keep the faith man!

my experience of Aussies as good losers made me think they were OK.

The pre-match fight to be underdogs

The English supporting rules are:
1) England
2) Northern Hemisphere team if vs Southern Hemisphere
3) The underdog (which does make Ireland v Wales tricky)

its true DaRC_L I posted about this a few days ago, the sledging aussies at met at the 2007 quarter finals, we all got peed off with them going on about how we had wasted out money coming to Marseille blah blah galah..
But when we beat them they were mucho complimentary, bought many drinks and didn't complain (much). I realised the pre match BS was jsut a game, and they want you to not take it too seriously, and give back as good as you get. There were thousands of people rammed into marseille that weekend, Aussies, Saffers, Welsh, English, 6 fijians, French and Kiwis. Didn't see a single incident, not a single punch thrown, it was all good.

toys19 - Member
But when we beat them they were mucho complimentary, bought many drinks and didn't complain (much). I realised the pre match BS was jsut a game, and they want you to not take it too seriously,

That's pretty much normal in any rugby game I've ever been to. Banter with the 'enemy' fans, go to the pub and talk about the game with them later.

That's why I've been very puzzled about the English supporters on here and their strange attitudes (wrt Anybody But England). I've suspected that a lot of the people complaining about ABE have never been to a game in their life, never mind endured places like Sardis Road or Stradey. Or worse, had to put up with Ulster fans. Urrgh.

Didn't see a single incident, not a single punch thrown, it was all good.

Again, that's so normal in rugby that it's barely worth commenting on. I've been going to live games since I had a schoolboy ticket in the 70s and I can only remember one fight.

3) The underdog (which does make Ireland v Wales tricky)