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I've seen England, Wales, Ireland, NZ, Aus, France do plenty of off the ball stuff like that too

SHOW US YOUR SAUCES [i]copyright Alfie Thomas just before keeling over[/i]

See [url= http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/mediazone/news/newsid=2047923.html ]here.[/url]
Where it says apart from citing commissioners the teams can bring to the commissioners attention anythign they don't like.

Team Referral

Teams may refer incidents of alleged Illegal and/or Foul Play to the Citing Commissioner for review within 12 hours of the conclusion of the Match but only the Citing Commissioner has the power to cite a Player.

Seems a decent coach. Aye. Agreed.

I'll never warm to him personally. I'm sure he'll get over that though. 🙂

I'll never warm to him personally.

he's a kiwi, a lot of them are like that 😆

I cant see england beating france

Hardly "desperate" anti-English vitriol really.But obviously you feel differently.
FWIW I can't see England,despite all their resources and player numbers getting past either France or ANY of the tri-nations,massive under-achievement IMO. Anti-English? or a judgement based on recent and current form? The latter actually,not that you will believe that,guess I am just a bitter sweaty,yes?

duckman I hadn't included you in my list, given that you said

The English as best of the home nations (giving TJ somebody to be secretly proud of) Us? qualification from the group stages would be ace!

[url= http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/news/newsid=2051601.html ]Naughty Americans in trouble.[/url] Most deserved citing I've seen for a long time. Which was a real shame as up to that point I thought USA were heading somwhere.

In my defence that statement was made before Wales had got into the Saffers. Based on first week(ish) Wales,England and us and the Emerald Stranglers in joint third.

[i]Naughty Americans in trouble. Most deserved citing I've seen for a long time[/i]

Was that the late shoulder barge on the winger?
Was bad, but not [i]that[/i] bad, surely?

Digby's out until quarter finals. My fave player 😥

Was bad, but not that bad, surely?

It cannot be excused as a late shoulder charge, it was a deliberate off the ball charge, possible overreaction on my part. I just didn't like the look of it, it wasn't a manly punch or a proper head to head. A shoulder barge is a bit of chicken manoeuvre, maximum damage whilst protecting himself. Not cricket. Probably revealed my anti american bias, it seemed a bit [b]American[/b].

Ffffarking ITV!! An ad break after the anthem/haka? Why not? One short advert and two idents for sponsors IBM. Infuriating!

Sshhh! I'm watching the stream 🙂

I thought the shoulder charge was well worth a yellow during the game. It was cynical.

Hot knife through butter at the moment.

Japan duly despatched but was a good game to watch, Sonny Bill with a few good touches Ma'Nonu as destructive as ever. Carters replacement not all that. Japenese are great to watch never give up.

I am quite amazed that the regular posters are justifying themselves to Toys19 for being/not being anti-English! 🙄

Toys19 - if you actually bothered to watch NZ v Japan this morning you may have noticed that in the few minutes before the kick off we had to have an update on the English team. Not the British teams, of which there are 4. The [u]English[/u] team. To be honest, I don't want them talking about [i]any[/i] the home nations, I want the talk to be about the game in question, in this case NZ v Japan. It really irritates me that every analysis in every game spirals back to England.

In The Times today there are 5 pages devoted to RWC. 4 of them are devoted to the [u]English[/u] team. Not a mention of Wales, Scotland or Ireland, despite the other games this weekend. Despite Ireland playing a vital game tomorrow.

Now, I know that the majority of the population are English, but I'd suggest that there are also a huge number of watchers who don't give a monkey's chuff about how many pints Mike Tindall was drinking, or that they went bungee jumping. As I've said before, this aggravates me big time and is one of the reaons it always amuses me to see bigged up English teams lose.

What you seem to want is that we take away historical rivalries, sporting or otherwise. Take away the little country v big country syndrome. Ah but we can't because that is the way sport works. That's what makes it interesting. Without any of that you just have two anodyne teams playing each other with no rivalry, and the only interest is on the technical side.

And really, if you think that you can read ANY rugby forum and not see rivalry displayed between fans of different teams then you are very naive.

There has been no bigotry, no nastiness, just fairly gentle ribbing.

Anyway back to rugby.

NZ managed to hammer Japan this morning without looking all that great. They didn't seem to dominate the proceedings although alway looking as if they were going to win, if that isn't a total contradiction. 😉

Slade looks quite poor. (I can't remember ever thinking he's a particularly good player when I've watched S15 or NZ cup games. Maybe I've missed the relevant games). I'm amazed that a country with the rugby resources of NZ have a player this poor as back up for Carter.

NZCol, what's the local opinion of Aaron Cruden? His last few games seemed rather good?

gentle ribbing.

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Toys19 - if you actually bothered to watch NZ v Japan this morning you may have noticed that in the few minutes before the kick off we had to have an update on the English team

If you go to Wales, Scotland or Ireland you will find excellent coverage of your national teams, in England what do you expect.

It isn't the English's fault that many welsh people think that Wales cannot produce a decent enough national paper that they see fit to buy the telegraph. Try a local paper or tv channel, this is a red herring.

I like the rivalry, but I can't stand the ABE attitude, you don't find it's converse in England we always support our neighbours. I never said bigotry or nastiness, that's your projection of it. But I do think that ABE is bitter behaviour. You lot drop the ABE and I'll happily take the gentle ribbing. I like it. In fact AA and I had a decent discussion about 16 pages back but gradually the ABE creeps back in.

in England we always support our neighbours

I've got to call bullcarp on that one, I'm afraid.

It's *banter*, though. Deal with it.

CFH I always do. Except recently when I like to wind TJ up, but the reality is I feel inclusive of the home nations and see them as representing all of us. I still want to beat Scotland, Wales, Ireland but I want them to beat anyone else.

BTW, both my parents are irish, I have an irish surname and an irish passport (and an english one), but I was born and bred in devon, so I feel english through and through. I tried to support ireland agaisn't england once (not long after I got my irish passport) couldn't do it.

I like banter. Just don't like ABE.

If you go to Wales, Scotland or Ireland you will find excellent coverage of [b]the English national team[/b] in [b]Britain[/b] what do you expect? FIFY.

in England we always support our neighbours

However, idlejon get with the program and stop reading [s]the papers[/s]Murdoch's mouthpiece.
Online I find the coverage quite balanced; each country has newsfeeds dedicated to them.

I'm bad though & keep missing games (apart from England) due to work and taking my son to play rugby. Then the family seem to think that X-Factor and Strictly are better family viewing than watching the games on itv-player 👿

ABE reached a bit of a peak after the World Cup win and ensuing influx of ignorant bandwagoners - the same people who were booing their own England side at Twickenham when the wheels fell off the wagon.

There is always an extra edge when the celtic nations play England but I think there is a lot less ABE sentiment than their used to be. Any successful team is going to have its knockers, apparently Ireland have massive support from the Kiwi fans ahead of the Aussie game tomorrow morning.

In terms of media coverage, its all down to population numbers, there are far more people interested in England than anybody else. Given that rugby is a minority sport, we also have top accept that there are far more people interested in the idea of the England captain having married into the Royal family and then gone on the lash and motorboated some bird in a bar.

duckman try here I don't see england being mentioned on the frontpage. My mother in law (a true jack, Sandfields born and bred) has this as her homepage. Are you looking in the wrong place?

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I hate the way they squander their rugby talent and play clueless rugby based on the mistaken belief they are more powerful than everyone else rahter than try and develop a game to suit their players.

What do you think it's like being English then? We hate it even more! It's S-O-O-O-O frustrating!

Actually the best thing about being an English rugby fan is that we can patronisingly support all the Celtic nations but also laugh at any of our Scottish/Irish/Welsh mates when they lose. It's win/win!

Nope, I was talking about the tv coverage.

well there are 51 million in england, about 84% of the population, so I guess you could ask ITV to devote 16% of their general chit chat to wales/scotland. It does seem unfair but then 84% of the population seems like the sensible lot to appeal to. You have your welsh tv in fact I note on S4c tonight at 9pm there is a whole program of [url= http://www.s4c.co.uk/adloniant/e_jonathan.shtml ]Jonathan[/url] Davies devoted to discussing Gatlands warriors. And there is a shit load more [url= http://www.s4c.co.uk/rygbi/?lang=en ]here.[/url] I envy the welsh coverage, we have to put up with itv's crap output. I wish the beeb were running the show. Actually i envy the welsh attitude to rygbi, I'll bet a greater percentage of the welsh population follow rygbi than the crappy english who love wendyball. Yuck.
So sorry duckman you have plenty of rugby coverage, null complaint I'm afraid.

In fact I note that S4c gets

S4C is financed from its advertising revenue and a fixed annual grant from the UK Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS), receiving £94m of funding in 2007.[15] In addition, some Welsh-language programming (including Newyddion and Pobol y Cwm) is produced by BBC Wales as part of the BBC's public service remit, and provided to S4C free of charge. S4C is controlled by the Welsh Fourth Channel Authority (Welsh: Awdurod Sianel Pedwar Cymru or Awdurdod S4C), an independent body unconnected to Ofcom which regulates other UK television channels such as ITV or Channel 4.
From 2013, responsibility for funding S4C will begin to transfer to the BBC, with the DCMS reducing its funding by 94% by 2015.[16] The BBC will provide around £76m of funding to S4C by this date, resulting in a cut of around 25% to S4C's annual budget.[17]

Which is about 32 quid per welshman from the BBC. Now as a proportion of the licence fee that is like a 21% refund, which considering you only represent 5% of the population is a good deal for you, I'm sure you will agree. Especially given that you also get BBC wales etc. Seems like a good deal. Ask your legislature to hassle the welsh broadcasters to up the amount of rugby they cover.

We also have freeview access to the Pro12 wheras the Premiership is all subscription-based apart from the highlights shows.

Is that on S4c? I think I get s4c in devoniashire. Hmmmmmmm

So to sum up, what you are saying is that we should accept that the ITV are perfectly justified in putting up the latest bit of news on,say Lewis Moody's knee, at half-time during a Scotland game. And likewise the ex England players with their "us" and "we" during matches which don't involve England because you have a bigger population? Is that also why when we have players from the Premiership playing for their home nations it needs mentioning every 10mins?(Aparently Tuilangi plays in the English premiership)I would be willing to bet that if the nationality of the posters on this thread is anything to go by, MUCH less than 84% of the viewing audience is English.

So to sum up, what you are saying is that we should accept that the ITV are perfectly justified in putting up the latest bit of news on,say Lewis Moody's knee, at half-time during a Scotland game. And likewise the ex England players with their "us" and "we" during matches which don't involve England because you have a bigger population? Is that also why when we have players from the Premiership playing for their home nations it needs mentioning every 10mins?(Aparently Tuilangi plays in the English premiership)I would be willing to bet that if the nationality of the posters on this thread is anything to go by, MUCH less than 84% of the viewing audience is English.

YES.

Only because as I have demonstrated that the welsh have had this imbalance redressed through the local media and more importantly S4c. In fact I have since discovered that S4c are showing the rygbi on sunday morning, and you can get english commentary on the red button (if you haven't bothered to learn your own language) and it'll be welsh biased. You lucky devils. I wish we had S4E.

Would you rather you did not have this lovely resource? Come on just face it you have to accept that because you are in a minority that a lot of the time you will be ignored, but at least the BRITISH govt has tried to address this by funding welsh tv. Just don't bloody watch itv, its crap anyway. I wonder if S4c will be showing the england game, I'll bet the coverage will be better.

Why do the English get so pissed off when we dont support them? I couldnt give a flying **** if the English support us or not but I reserve my right to want to see our most local and fierce rivals fail at every opportunity.

Why do the English get so pissed off when we dont support them?

Because [s]we[/s] I support you so wholeheartedly you ungrateful sod.

*Edited due to Toys editing his! 🙂 *

Now, can we please get back to the rugby? This is getting to be like a soccer thread, and we don't want to sink to those levels now do we?

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flash I edited it myself..

Yep I'll say no more on this topic, only if you post I picture of yourself holding a piece of paper saying, if they are not playing wales then I support england. Same goes for AA and Teej.

Personally, i could never support Scotland although i do have a sneaking admiration for the way Wales play - although i feel dirty afterwards! 😛

Look, it's all part of the fun, i quite enjoy the ABE mentality as it makes the anguish from certain quarters more piquant!

I mean, being hated by the Welsh is rather like being savaged by a dead sheep...* (with apologies to Geoffrey Howe for those old enough to remember)

*I thought this would work better with Wales than Scotland.

Another vote for S4C as well, ITV coverage with it's insistent and incessant mention of England annoys me too.

toys19 - Member

If you go to Wales, Scotland or Ireland you will find excellent coverage of your national teams, [b]in England[/b] what do you expect.

I'd posted quite a long reply but deleted it because I just noticed that bold section above.

I assume that you are trolling or you just don't understand the difference between England and Britain? It makes anything else you say absolutely pointless.

But, two more points.

It isn't the English's fault that many welsh people think that Wales cannot produce a decent enough national paper that they see fit to buy the telegraph. Try a local paper or tv channel, this is a red herring.

Crap. The Times, Independent, whatever, are national papers covering events anywhere in the UK. Again there shouldn't be any bias. Local papers cover local things. Of course I'll pick up the Western Mail if I want a 100% Welsh view of things. Why should I then hunt out a Scottish paper to get an idea of what's going on with their team. Again, an anglocentric view of the world.

You lot drop the ABE and I'll happily take the gentle ribbing. I like it. In fact AA and I had a decent discussion about 16 pages back but gradually the ABE creeps back in.

Tell you what, post to some actual anti Englishness, and I'll believe you. And I don't mean pathetic attempts to say that '[i]I cant see england beating france[/i]' this is anti anything. It's an opinion. If I say that SA are likely to beat Fiji tomorrow does that make me a fascist?

Posting a page from a Welsh rugby frontpage is errrm strange. Once again either you are being unbelievably stupid or just trolling.

DaRC_L - Member

However, idlejon get with the program and stop reading the papersMurdoch's mouthpiece.

If there is anybody looking to watch Pro12 games on the likes of S4C you can usually get all the UK freeview channels on Sky boxes and Freeview, you just have to go into the settings and seek out the more obscure channels and set them up.

if they are not playing wales then I support england. Same goes for AA and Teej.

I never support England and pretty much always want them to loose because of the shite style of rugby they seem to revel in.

[s]On a recent trip to Ireland the Examiner had approx 2" devoted to an England fixture amongst a double page spread on the Irish game. But as an Englishman abroad I didnt expect much more in another country.[/s]

Can't be bothered with the rest of this but Toys19 I agree with what you are saying, but didn't realise 19 was an Irish surname?

Stop bitching. England fans just need to accept anyone but England - its not the same the other way round because of the relative sizes of the countries. You don't get to open the paper and see several articles on an other team but no match report from your team

You also dont have to suffer Inver**** on the EBC "so anyway about England" is his ****in catch phrase whenever they are not playing.

So TJ, would you be happy to see Anyone But Scotland touted around?

Personally, as i have a Scottish-supporting rugby mate (exactly the oppo of you, born in England but supports Scotland) i love watching him squirm when Scotland lose but strangely enough he does cheer for England when it's against France for example.

I fekkin' hate inverdale for that reason - when you have Jiffy in the same studio SHUT UP AND LET THE MASTER SPEAK!!!!!

I will admit to having been pleased when England won the wold cup.

Is that won in Lincolnshire then? 😛

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Is that won in Lincolnshire then?

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I like the rivalry, but I can't stand the ABE attitude, you don't find it's converse in England we always support our neighbours.

Life was good; It's Friday, the wife and kids are up in Aberdeen for the night,my match tmw has been cancelled,so I am enjoying a bit of wine, with Cairngorm chasers,watching a (18mins) slow game NZ v Japan. Phone goes...and I have been re-allocated.. two u18 sides in Fife, who are getting a prem ref "because they have history." So,not only are they quick, but sneaky,full of testosterone, and dirty as well.ARSE!

Back on task,after this weekends games lets have our team of the tournament so far.

didn't realise 19 was an Irish surname?

I am only mildly dissapointed, you all had the chance to say, no I am not biased against england, the only one who comes close is AA. The problem with this is any comment you make on england in the future will just be ignored as you all comply with obvious bias. Cool thats all I need to know. I shall store this up for future chats.

AA you can record this and remind me next time I accuse you of raging anti englishness..

Happy to say I loathe england, not sure what that proves to Toys

Happy to say I loathe england, not sure what that proves to Toys

That any future comment you make about the state of england rugby should be taken with a pinch of salt. Your bias un-qualifies you from making any relavent comment other than that you hate england. Which is fine, just don't expect [s]anyone[/s] me to listen.

Like I care 😆

It's OK pigface, we just feel sorry for you Welshies 😛

Aside from the slightly pathetic auto-hate for England from our neighbours, England are the WORST team to watch aren't they. Oh look, let's hope we get another penalty :yawn:

Grum - they are when the persist in the 'Jonny Wilkinson' mode.

They have the backline and the half backs to make things come alive, the centres are disappointing though. Flood has much better hands than Wilko and plays flatter. If we had centres like Wales or ( i can dream) France then we could unleash some good through the hands rugby.

As it is, for whatever reason the management insist on 'route 1, crash ball then give it to Jonny' rugby.

Whats happened to Backhander?

Scotland and England's group has without doubt been the most turgid of the world cup. Five teams who know how to lift heavy things quite well but cant string four passes together consistently. These teams have been preparing for each other since the groups were announced. which means lifting heavy things. I took in Scotland's warm up games and most of the Players have hit the inflate button over the summer to compete with the physical sides they were to face.
This has resulted in a loss of mobility / athleticism.
None of the teams will do much outwith the group stages because when the games open up they have neither the mobility or skillset to compete.

I can't see Scotland getting through TBH - and due to TJ's insistence that thought makes me warm inside.

I've still got a tenner for your charity TJ if you're prepared to match it. Put your money on your belief then!

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Is that a yes TJ?

So, tomorrow....

Argentina v Romania, PlB, 04:30 - Argentina by many
Australia v Ireland, PlC, 09:30 - Australia by many
South Africa v Fiji, PlD, 07:00 - I actually fancy Fiji to upset the apple cart here and win by a single score

I don't gamble

I thought you were convinced Scotland would top the group - not a gamble if its a sure thing... 😛

What's your designated charity then?

no I am not biased against england, the only one who comes close is AA

What have I done now, I dont follow your train of thought. Can I be clear and say I want england to loose to everyone apart from maybe SA and whilst I like players like Wilkicksoon and Jason Robinson I ****in loath strutting cocks like Dilly Dally and Haskall.

IdleJon

NZCol, what's the local opinion of Aaron Cruden? His last few games seemed rather good?

I think Aron Cruden had a storming season, he may have a crap hair cut but I'm well pleasend he's coming to play for the Cheifs next year.

Although the ABs thrashed Japan last night I really enjoyed the commitment that Japan showed, certainly not scared to make a tackle. It was also refreshing to see them kick to touch from their penilties. Granted they could have had another 9 points on the board but they obviously wanted the kudos of scoting a try.

you were convinced Scotland would top the group

Hardly. They are of course the best team with the most handsome players but cheating argies and Georgians might get in the way.

In all seriousness Robinsons tenure as scottish coach will be judged on the next two or three games. He has had what he wanted pretty much in terms of preparation and it was largely his call to have only the two warm up matches and use the first two group matches to hone the team. Everyone has had some game time and he must know has selections now

Selection was his downfall with England in part - less to select from with Scotland but he does look in danger of making some wrong calls and being too conservative.

I think Laidlaw should have been in the team and I fear he will pick Parks not Jackson. Back row is a difficult call as well.

Captain - Kellock appears to be the best captain but I don't think he is the best lock

Just to disagree with O'Flashearty, Australia, but by not as many as he'd like 🙂

Oh, and SA to beat Fiji. Easily.

Cruden had a fantastic itm cup just prior to RWC for the manawatu turbos and I was surprised he wasn't in the squad. General consensus was he wasn't up there on the bigger stage yet a la Stephen Donald. He's grown his hair back now, bear in mind he has recently recovered from testicular cancer. Good player, just a bit wee as well so gets pushed off the ball a bit.

Great atmosphere in Wellington this eve for the SA Fiji game. Pubs are packed, probably more Fiji supporters than SA. Should be a good one

Thought Fiji would offer a bit more 😕

Any money on Moody getting injured during this game and missing the rest of the WC?

In that case toys, bye; thanks for coming....Anyway Saffers looking a bit better.

Darcy, how dare you disagree with me! Racist!

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Biggest game for Ireland since the Slam. I am approaching it with mindless optimism.

Anyway Saffers looking a bit better.

I am approaching it with mindless optimism.

Can I be clear and say I want england to loose to everyone apart from maybe SA and whilst I like players like Wilkicksoon and Jason Robinson I **** loath strutting cocks like Dilly Dally and Haskall.

There you go, after a year of denying finally you have admittted it, that's fine we all know where we are now. 😀

Duckman Que?

Despite the drubbing I am dissapointed for Fiji, they still look devastating in the odd microsecond..

Oh well. Come on Ireland. I'm with shandy and DD, mindless optimism. You never know what might happen thats the best thing about rugby.. you never know ...

*running around, fingers in ears, la la la la la la*

I'm joining Shandy in the mindless optimism brigade. We can't keep playing that badly can we? 😆