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Fair I don't know that much about them but it looked like they were lucky to beat Canada.
No-one watching / commenting on the WRWC final?
England 4-3 in tries in the first half but also down to 14 after a clear and obvious red card after about 20 mins, for a high tackle head-on-head contact.
As the HT panel just said, right now England's maul is living rent free in NZ heads and if we can get set piece ball in hand anywhere from about 15 yards out we look like scoring. But I suspect we'll be run ragged at the back as tiredness sets in.
Rugby has a big issue with red cards. They aren’t stopping HonH contact, but they do destroy games as a contest.
If we really want to stop Head contact we either need to stick or twist. Up the bans or find another way.
That try at the start of the 2nd half shows how uphill this is now.
Well….. if the first 1 was a red……
Going to be an interesting last 6 mins
Hmmm.... if it wasn't for the England girl needing treatment and they'd got that lineout played. Instead the TMO interferes, I didn't think they were supposed to for small matters
and I'd have been inclined to take the penalty advantage back there, kicked for a lineout and gone to the maul again.
(as it is we have one but 15m further back)
Oh, and another chance.
Wow! That's punchy
The TMO, imho doesn’t have the authority to overrule on that line out. Then they score from the decision.
Those last few line outs, we seemed to only have 1 jumper & it was easily read by NZ
End of the day it was the right decision as she didnt touch it, but there were 30/40 small things like that in the game.
Wow. That was a real game.
I feel for the winger who got the red, but England made a few other mistakes that cost them, not just the final lineout as well. Against NZ you can't be giving them any half chances.
The NZ players repeatedly were interfering with Jackallers in offside positions and it never got picked up, all game. Dragging back players going to compete for the ball, I know it's all forwards dark arts but it was getting silly.
I was wondering, I'm only really a passing acquaintance with the subtleties of the forwards laws, but in comparison to the men's game there seemed to be relatively few breakdown penalties - offsides, entering from the side, etc. A couple for rolling away and a couple for off feet. Are there less because it isn't reffed as hard (as MrHoppy suggests) or do the players just contest less and play less close to the edge?
Second - the final penalty and the kick to touch. I assume there must be a law against setting up a maul from a tapped penalty, otherwise they'd have been 5m out, 15m in, and without the risk of the throw in going as it did?
No, it’s possible, but harder. You need to be careful of accidental offside. The line out has restrictions on where defenders can be too.
Unfortunately I missed the WRWC final. It does however make more suspect the idea of Eddie Jones supposed strategy of preparing for the 2023 World Cup with no value placed on winning games up to that point. The England women’s team went into the Tournament perfectly prepared, as clear favourites and largely due to the red card did not win. That said, England are in the easier side of the draw and if they should get some luck, then it could go well for them.
Which game to watch now - Ireland v Fiji, or Italy v Australia - I’m inclined towards the Italy game as being more exciting. Thoughts?
It’s a shame, with such large tvs nowadays, that you can’t watch both at once.
10 minutes in and Italy’s attack appears to have more variety than Wales, Scotland and England have shown in their games so far.
Wow Italy’s 2nd try was very nice!
Also their handling skills are very good.
No-one watching / commenting on the WRWC final?
I enjoyed that. Not having a dog in the fight makes it much more fun to watch. Close games like that always make me wish they could both win, really painful to watch the reality sink in to the losing team when the final whistle blows.
Another gorgeous Italy try from Capuozzo. This game is great for the neutral.
Fiji are proving awkward and lively opponents for us. Good game.
Last chance saloon for Australia! 😅 Converted try needed!
Shit! Miss!
Well done Italy. They deserved the win overall.
Oops, that was a silly substitution! 🤣
Nice win for Italy!
Yeah, like I said earlier, Italy haven’t improved at all 😂
Samoa just scored a worldie for offloading and handling in the other format semi
Nice win for Italy! Such a shame for England Women. 14 players left too much space for NZ. I really thought there could have been a last gasp try there. They should be very proud though.
Italy, wow great job.
Kiwi women what a match, congratulations.
Does anyone else hate rolling mauls? I bloody loathe them.
Not sure what to make of the England v Japan game first half. Can’t deny the scoreboard though.
Why are England playing in white? I like the Japan kit, but I do particularly like their usual white and red kit. Not sure about England’s kit today, I kinda like it, but it makes me think of Texas chainsaw massacre for some reason.
Sod England v Japan! England V Samoa is amazing. Sooooo tense!
Yup!
Call it a draw and make NZ play them both in the final.
I'd still back NZ
Except NZ lost to Australia in the other semi! 😀
Has a busy day just caught up with Wales game....wasn't expecting that, well done.
Going to be a long night for South Africa
The Wales game was a good watch. Argentina seemed very out of sorts, lacked a lot of focus. Wales on the other hand played with good line speed, aggressive in the tackle, and their tactical kicking was on the money.
Great win for Italy. Haven’t watched it yet but will catch up over the next few days.
Second red card....rounds things up ..
Clearly different tactics from England. A bit more speed and an aggressive defence. I wonder if this is some of The Great Plan for the RWC - probably not, they just didn’t want Japan to get comfortable. Still look a shambles though, can’t hold onto the ball, can’t find much space, leaving space for attack everywhere. I expect NZ to walk all over them.
I see Maro is back to cheerleading ffs.
Cracking game in France.
Just watching the France v South Africa game. I feel for DuPont. Barnes’ first comment was that DuPont was in no position to catch the ball, but from my eyes he would have caught it if Kolbe had not been there. Kolbe leaps a long way forward to get to the ball (obviously this is a common tactic). Surely it is the act of jumping so high and so far forwards into the path of others that is the dangerous part in this?
Surely it is the act of jumping so high and so far forwards into the path of others that is the dangerous part in this?
Not if they allow you to land, stone cold red.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ks238ihE3iw
I feel more sympathy for PSDT. The fact that refs allow you to dive into rucks head first off your feet all the time means that sooner or later you will smack someone in the head. If refs police off feet entry to rucks it would make the game so much safer.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sgUTpBDTnzU
Anyone taking bets for todays score? Finn hero or goat?
I don't think he will get much decent ball and we will be steamrollered
57-13 to the AB’s.
Not impressed by Stuart Hogs man- bun 🤨
Anyone taking bets for todays score? Finn hero or goat?
Settled down to support Scotland, but that kit!!
7 minutes in and NZ at 2pts a minute 😱
Not looking good 🙄
This could be a long afternoon
but that kit
A wonderful touch to honour Doddy Weir though, however jarring on the eyes.
A wonderful touch to honour Doddy Weir though
Ah, I was unaware of that - thanks.
Good for the ref giving the penalty try and yellow card. Knowing Hogg he’d have failed to score 😉, but NZ get away with too much usually.
Wow, I never thought we’d get to 14 minutes and be at 2points a minute and level!!!!!!
Pen try seemed harsh Hogg wouldn't have got it anyway.
Errmmm. Half time lead for scotland - and deserved WTF
Playing very well...look better with FR playing. Just hope we can stay with the forward power in the second half
Underdog status suits us. Still going to lose it in the 2nd half.
We're doing not too badly considering we're using our 4th choice fly-half.
🙂
Well this is exciting!!
Cmon Scotland 🙏
...arghhhh....
Arse
Hard luck Scotland, but a valiant effort.
Aye, bollox 😕
Damn.
Usual service now restored…and I am the sodding driver.
Haven’t Scotland nearly beaten every top team in the last couple of years? They’ve got to be due a break sometime soon!
Its the two modern tropes in modern rugby in a head on collision.
NZ cruising in first half, but they always go up a few gears near the end and win.
Scotland the nearly men.
As always a few odd reffing decisions changed the whole game.
Such as?
I thought the pen try was odd no way was Hogg getting to that ball even if he wasn't impeded.
That second half was tough for Scotland. They started it so bloody strongly as well! Really felt for the yellow carded guy - such an instinctive reaction and he must feel like he cost his team the game this evening. Fair dues though, he damn near made it look like it was an attempted tackle. 😀 New Zealand really do look as beatable as I’ve seen them this year.
First time at Murrayfield thanks to friends with season tickets. After 6 mins I thought we'd be leaving early for the pub. After 60 minutes I thought we were the lucky charms and would be sorted for future tickets. By the end normal service was resumed.
Fair dues though, he damn near made it look like it was an attempted tackle
Aussies are good cheats 🤪
Oh I couldn’t remember who it was. 😀 Is he an import?
New Zealand really do look as beatable as I’ve seen them this year.
Excellent, the daily express will headline England as World Beaters once again next week.
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Oh I couldn’t remember who it was. 😀 Is he an import?
Jack Dempsey wasn't it (I could be wrong) 15caps for Australia as I recall.
Jack Dempsey wasn’t it (I could be wrong) 15caps for Australia as I recall
Didn't he used to own Twitter
Didn’t he used to own Twitter
Nope, he was world heavyweight champion from 1919-26.
a_a the long range try started with NZ 8 hands, definitely right hand, on the floor. Almost every time the jackaled it was hands on the floor first. I can believe that close to the line we failed to control the ball but the defending team is required to release when it goes to ground and unless our ball carriers were octopuses then that was not happening.
You can view it as three great steals tho. If the Mish or Ritchie had done that?
Thats what made the difference - we got the ball to their line 3 times and didn't get in. We left too many points on the field
Decent team performance Our backs looked dangerous. i thought Finn played well.
Yes tj, and we were beaten. But in all these games what is obvious is the breakdown is a mess. Arguably it cost Scotland the game, it cost France Danty.
Watching France Australia everytime France went to jackal aus flopped onto the shoulders effectively collapsing it. Which should be a pen to France but went against them. Both teams on Sunday got away with shenanigans and we probably would still have lost but hands on, not releasing and not supporting your own weight should be pinged.
Good luck to Georgia, I hope they have a good game.
I’m tempted to watch the Italy game. Good luck to them.
However, c’mon Wales 😀
Why is the Wales pitch always so slippery? I’d have thought with having a roof, they’d be at an advantage in getting a decent surface.
Italy /SA is exciting to watch for a neutral
The italian FB is a fab player
Saffers have such a victim mentality at the moment. If Italy manage to pull this off I can't wait to see Springboks twitter going into meltdown.
If Italy manage to pull this off I can’t wait to see Springboks twitter going into meltdown.
If wales lose, I can’t imagine what pressure Pivac will come under. Dreadful game!