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Pretty shitty move by Hill there. I know it’s all letter of the law stuff a yellow – but given the circumstances I would have red carded both of them
Yeah, ref got it right by the law but to me that was two yellows.
I dislike Aus a lot in rugby (it's only a game etc some of my best friends are Aussies!) but England really are horrible niggly dirty ****s, if I was an England supporter the antics of Hill and Itoje would be a huge embarrassment..
Aus forwards need to get off the line and stop the English runners on the gainline... Sooner or later even England will manage to make their superiority count.
but England really are horrible niggly dirty ****
Nothing compared to the AB’s this morning. But…
of Hill and Itoje would be a huge embarrassment..
yes, it is especially 13yo Itoje.
Hill should have got red . Hair pulling is supposed to be automatic red
Oh dear…
England really are poor at the moment, with so much potential but no real clue. New coach time?
Funny what happens when you pass the ball instead of kicking it away.
Nothing compared to the AB’s this morning. But…
Funny, I didn't see any All Blacks trying to scream their heads off at lineouts or pulling anyone's hair.
Anyway Wales to be thoroughly stuffed later, can't say I'm looking forward to that.
This was a few mins earlier than the red card. It wasn't replayed
https://twitter.com/i/status/1543182464486481921
How did Smith/ Farrell work?
ABs can be cynical in defense - lots of repeated technical infringement at the breakdown and don't seem to get carded - but not the general embarrassing shit-housery of England
tjagain
Full MemberHow did Smith/ Farrell work?
It didn’t; the score line flattered the English.
Funny, I didn’t see any All Blacks trying to scream their heads off at lineouts or pulling anyone’s hair.
As above, they were using everything and anything to slow the ball down in the rucks and moving the scrum illegally, it was pointed out several times in commentary.
Looks like Hill needs a talking to.
It didn’t; the score line flattered the English.
I think I agree with Will Greenwood, Farrell should be sub for Smith and we should have two full time centres. It’s an area lacking any penetration for years, always awaiting Tuilagi to appear for a brief stint.
I have never seen any point to Farrell in the centre
As above, they were using everything and anything to slow the ball down in the rucks and moving the scrum illegally, it was pointed out several times in commentary.
Big difference between that and outright shithousery that England seem to love...hair pulling, bollocks grabbing bunch of morons!
Yeah whatever. We heard you the first time.
How long are England going to persevere with Farrell at centre though? It isn’t new; they played him outside Ford as well. England set themselves up to bring in their wide backs to 3rd on phase ball with Smith providing the links and that isn’t a bad idea. But the execution isn’t there;the AB’s, France, Ireland all have a plan B. Not beating them up, but if your stated aim is to win the WC then at least one centre who can hold opposition players is a prerequisite. You will win the series and Jones will be a world beater, so as a Scotsman; all the best for the next 2 tests.
Going to be a bad day for the NH teams…but not all bad for rugby in general as the bigoted folau got injured after coming on as a sub for Tonga.
Yeah whatever. We heard you the first time.
Clearly there's a big difference between hearing an understanding!
bigoted folau got injured after coming on as a sub for Tonga.
Yeah that was very pleasing.
In other news Wales are doing that thing again where they give me hope just to see it slip through fingers later.
And what's with the water breaks for the big Saffa Buffalo's?
What did AWJ get binned for?
We'll have to wait for the South African ref to tell us I guess.
WTAF is going on
I had to chuckle when with 15 mins to go the SA commentator said Wales are past masters at running down the clock FFS has if ever seen them play before 😱😱😱
That was entertaining....
I didn’t even see it, just following on SM, but it sounds like the ref had a shocker there?
What did AWJ get binned for?
Not rolling away at a guess.
I didn’t even see it, just following on SM, but it sounds like the ref had a shocker there?
Don't think so...he got most things mostly right but he did seem to overlook any SA niggle and blame Wales for it every time.
Not rolling away at a guess.
But I've never seen a player binned for a technical offence when the other side score from the advantage and the pen isn't taken
Dunno, Wales did commit about 240 000 stupid technical infringements in a row...
Awj was binned for deliberate cynicl offdide according to the bbc text updates. Yes you dont often see players binned if a try is scored but it should happen more often im
Anyone know a streaming site for the Scotland game? Im not at home and don't have links.
It was a dull game TJ, Kinghorn and Hutchison went well enough but the front row and forwards in general got caramelised so a lack of time on the ball and forced errors were common.Cheika seems to have them playing a game that suits their DNA.
I found a feed and watched it. Good game i thought but argentina just a bit too good. We couldn't get enough territory or poseassion. No yellows and no niggle or cynical cheating
For those that asked this was AWJ yellow
https://m.youtube.com/clip/Ugkx97t7yCxLPcrqgjwsAmc8cbmRQqLZrx96
This could have been a pen the other way on another day
https://twitter.com/i/status/1543285391997927424
I can't find Biggars yellow but he was trapped in and moved to allow the ball out but SA milked it to get him a yellow.
You can see Biggars here briefly, he was trapped in by the legs of the SA player
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O8LwrV_3dEA
Shit game though very tense, Zammit got 2 tries and was only passed the ball once! Not sure Adams got a pass all game and I forgot North was playing for large portions of the game!!
I watched a SA commentary feed, which was hilarious.
"Jewy Lake", "the big centre Tompkins" and the aforementioned "Wales past masters at running down the clock".
Hope Francis is OK, our bench tighthead is likely to be some kid who has played about 1 1/2 games for Saracens second team next week.
TBF to Dillon Lewis, he is properly not good enough at that level but he did OK with a massive shift, Lydiate did much better than expected too, although it was exactly his type of game...also looks like Reffel can be added to our list of decent flankers as well
I don't have an issue with AWJ being penalised for what he did to delay release at the first breakdown. Yellow legit because of number of infringements in the red zone. I've just never seen it happen when the attacking team scores and the pen wasn't taken.
If this is a new thing it's not a bad idea as it will keep it more honest but I'm not sure it is
I thought the Rees Zammit one was marginal - but if a pen always going to be a yellow
In terms of being held in a being pinged - happens all the time and to the SAs yesterday to. Being yellow carded is a bit harsh.
In terms of being held in a being pinged – happens all the time and to the SAs yesterday to.
Yeah, I felt the ref got it wrong with a lack of feel early on but then he was at least consistent with both sides.
No yellows and no niggle or cynical cheating
😂
No yellows and no niggle or cynical cheating
and no contest as far as I can see.
I enjoyed Biggars press conference!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jghJQ9M94eM
Regan Grace signs for Racing? Sounds like good news for Wales. Can't play for England if abroad but can play for Wales if he hasn't turned down a contract in Wales....or have I made that all up?
Looks useful:
I know there’s so much love for Peter O’Mahony here 😂 but he’s been rolling back the years today.
Congratulations to Ireland!
I’ve not seen much of Regan Grace play, but he has a lovely running style, great feet and awareness of what’s around him. An exciting player to watch.
What are peoples predictions for the Aus v Eng game?
Great win for Ireland!!!!
Wow. Not just scraping the win either.
POMis a love to hate player. Fabulous player and a real warrior. Did he wind the all blacks up into getting cards?
How come Genge did not get sent off? Surely that was a red?
Long arms of the Lawes… my fave accidental pun! 😀
How come Genge did not get sent off? Surely that was a red?
At the very least a yellow,mind boggling how he got away with it.
Phew that was tense. Despite being ahead all the time, seemed like it could turn at any point during that second half. Good win. Nice to see England actually playing some good rugby
AWJ binned for hands in the ruck and he was about 2m from ball, awful decision
first ever Wales win SA
There’s got to be some kind of first in here somewhere. Australia, NZ and SA all losing at home to NH teams on the same day.
first ever Wales win SA
It should be the second after last week’s debacle. Cracking results for Ireland and Wales today.
France #1 and Ireland #2 in the World rankings 😀
Just Scotland to play. Poor selection again so not much chance
It should be the second after last week’s debacle. Cracking results for Ireland and Wales today.
And England.
AWJ yellow for hands in the ruck, pretty sure it wasn't for a deliberate knock, either way wtf?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1545809654319616003
And England.
Nah, not really. It’s only Australia.
France #1 and Ireland #2 in the World rankings
Only picking up from the42.ie’s rugby man, but he tweeted that Ireland only needed one more point to go #1. Not sure if correct, and whether that was before NZ scored at the end.
Somebody had fired the full game up on YouTube (gone now) so I got a chance to see it. That first half was as ill disciplined a 40 minutes of rugby that I’ve seen NZ play. They just lost it. Felt they were lucky to just have the one red card.
Peter O Mahony’s funt in the second half that turned out to be a 50:22 was just the cream on the top of what was an extraordinary display by him today. Combative. Turning possession over. In their faces. Just love him.
Only picking up from the42.ie’s rugby man, but he tweeted that Ireland only needed one more point to go #1. Not sure if correct, and whether that was before NZ scored at the end.
I just had a mess around on the World rugby rankings calculator site, it appears Ireland would have needed to score another 5 points (ie 28 points). Gotta be happy with 2nd for now though eh 😀. Save #1 for after the next match.
Gotta be happy with 2nd for now though eh
On a day with an away win in NZ, something I thought I’d never see, I couldn’t give a shite about the rankings. 😀
Great win in Bloemfontein, really chuffed with that, lots of injuries though, Ireland really good exposing just what bad losers Kiwis are 😂
The week I don't watch the rugby...
Large steaming pile of mince from Scotland. When will the SRUaccept Townsend is not up to the job?
Dunno, when we stop pumping teams away from home?
Well, well, well, congratulations Scotland. 4 turnaround from last week, who’d have predicted that!?!
Second half was better but did you see a sigle first or second phase move work? How many lineouts went astray? The backs looked like the met in the carpark before the game. A couple of individual bits of good play won us the game.
We have gone progressively back inder Townsend
Great wins by Wales and Scotland too. Good day yesterday. Of the 4 sides I give Ireland the most. As DD said POM was incredible, Aki was like a rhino riding a lazer beam, Porter gave his lifetime best. Ringrose and Henshaw were ruling the midfield, all in a top perfomance.
duckman
Full Member
Dunno, when we stop pumping teams away from home?
Exactly, I can't see what there is to complain about. All clicked in that game. V good.
England not as bad as everyone says, I'm hopeful..
England not as bad as everyone says, I’m hopeful..
Still no midfield threat.
Exactly, I can’t see what there is to complain about. All clicked in that game. V good.
2 tries from centres cutting angles off 9 from close range. Argentina cocked up 3 good chances. Lineouts a sham les. Restarts a shambles. Not one backs move of more than one pass worked.
Players out of position all over the team
Playing as we are we will not get out of our group in the WC
It s obvious the players dont buy into what Townsend wants them to do.
Oh my, Sky Mix channel repeat of the SA Wales 2nd test. One of the worst games I’ve seen in recent memory (that doesn’t involve England 😂), 10 mins into the second half and it’s still not got going. Couple of mins ago… George North’s name said for the first time! He’s been on since the start?! Dismal. Still, Wales go on to win? 👍
Oh my, Sky Mix channel repeat of the SA Wales 2nd test. One of the worst games I’ve seen in recent memory
Yep, and I thought the first test was shit but this one was worse...try was nice though..
Yeah! 77minute wasn't it!? And the kick from Anscombe, legend 🙂
Still no midfield threat.
In all fairness, you haven’t for years.I thought that was why Jones had picked 3 guys good at cutting in from the wings to keep the OZ backs honest in the first test. Some pack though!
Some pack though!
Would love to see Johnny hair puller Hill try that shit with Etzebeth!!
Can I just apologise for that again? No true England fan has time for that bullshit.
You don't need to apologise!! Every team has players who do stupid shit everyone in a while!
In other news, so long and thanks for all the fish.
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I just watched the Ireland game. Lessons there for Towsend and Jones because virtually no shithousery, nothing too complicated just a settled side with a simple gameplan that suits them and precision in execution with players actuallyin the right positions. Error count seemed really low. Sexytoes had a great game i thought. Nothing over complicated but took the right options. Brick wall defense. Really fast ruck speed
Fabulous win by Ireland and well deserved.
C’mon Ireland!
I fear I am missing a great game here. Having to follow via Guardian minute-by-minute
Anyone seen the NZ defense?
Wow
Im watching it on the ferry
Great stuff from Ireland - they’re out All Blacking the All Blacks!
This is amazing. To echo TJ, Ireland showing everyone how to win Rugby with 15 players, very exciting.
I fear a massive come down for me in 2 hours though.
Half time.
IRL are playing very well but NZ are playing against themselves ive never seen so many handling errors from an all black side.
Let's hope the English team are watching on how to play rugby