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To be fair the booing is pretty bad manners, we don’t need that in rugby, from any set of supporters.
England were robbed by the ref with the lack of a scrum pen at the end 😂😂😂. Great stuff
on catch up so just seen that penalty try. Was it inevitably a try if he hadn’t knocked forward? There still seemed a lot to say that he’d have gathered it under pressure, do you assume LCD wasn’t there because he fouled, and then it would have been an uncontested catch.
Yes, the offending player is removed from the picture.
Wales playing to avoid the wooden spoon..... 🤞
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
master class from Russell including the missed pen to touch. The move that led to the penalty try was fabulous Smart disciplined second half performance
To be fair the booing
Seems to have crept in at every ground, hard to know which of Murrayfield, Stag’n’Hennium or Stade is the worst.
did you keep the receipt for Eddie Jones?
TBH you shouldn't need a receipt if the item is not fit for purpose.
Glad you enjoyed your day though Duckman. Murrayfield can be a cold miserable place if your team loses but a fabulous one when they win.
Can't understand why they didn't bring a hooker on straight away
We've just conceded a penalty try. Our hooker's been sin binned. We have a lineout on our own goal line. Shall we sub in another hooker to throw the ball in? No we'll get a ****ING PROP to do it! - Oh look! We've lost the ball. 🙄
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Well done for revealing your true personality. You didn’t apologise to AA either, says a lot about you tbh.
Yes, the offending player is removed from the picture.
So all dear sweet Darcy has to do is catch the ball and dot it down unopposed
Good game as well as as Scotland win and the ref did his did well. No obvious howlers and was consistent
Scotland back row won us that game. That and Ikle jonny tackling anything that moves
Do England not have a better scrum half than Ben Youngs??
Do England not have a better scrum half than Ben Youngs
I've been asking that since his first cap.
Do England not have a better scrum half than Ben Youngs??
Yes, Eddie likes his favourites though.
Well done for revealing your true personality. You didn’t apologise to AA either, says a lot about you tbh.
Ah now…
Look, take your beating Kryton. When your world beaters throw a game away like they did, you gotta take it on the chin.
TeeJay, take a lesson from NFL rules and have a penalty given against you for taunting the opposition. Not cool.
a_a can't bring on a front row card sub until a scrum.
Look, take your beating Kryton. When your world beaters throw a game away like they did, you gotta take it on the chin.
The result is fair, I don’t have an issue with that or the game. Doesn’t need the gloating though does it.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Classy...
Are we at least allowed to savour the bitter tears of Eddie Jones 😉
Doesn’t need the gloating though does it.
No. He needs to show a little more subtlety but I think that’s expecting a lot from TeeJay.
a_a can’t bring on a front row card sub until a scrum.
Is that right, you could have just subbed the player as a permanent move could you not?
Are we at least allowed to savour the bitter tears of Eddie Jones
He did look miserable 😀
but I think that’s expecting a lot from TeeJay.
Why, is he special in some way?
Are we at least allowed to savour the bitter tears of Eddie Jones
I wish we could bottle them. To be fair, he’s had to do a lot of interviews after his World Beaters™️ being handed their arses on a plate. You’d think he’d learn to STFU before games after the last few years.
Why, is he special in some way?
I think TeeJay is quite special, yes.
Sometimes it's not about winning a game, it's about not losing. I'd rather Scotland played a blistering open game full of pizazz and excitement, but we didn't. We didn't lose, now onto the next game.
Seems to have crept in at every ground, hard to know which of Murrayfield, Stag’n’Hennium or Stade is the worst
The French are mainly booing their own side at Stade to be fair.
The French are mainly booing their own side at Stade to be fair
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As someone else said I've watched many brilliant Scotland performances where they've lost so I'll take a not so great one that they've won.
And for the record I don't like the gloating by TJ either, even though I understand it. Rise above it TJ.
Struggling to find an English player that got more than 6/10 tbh. Trying to district the ref with injury when you have volleyballed the ball out of play because you just know what you have done.
Ireland played very well today.
Trying to district the ref with injury when you have volleyballed the ball out of play because you just know what you have done.
That one is straight out of the Owen Farrell handbook so, as he is Captain of the squad and a member of the "leadership group" I assume it's something England work on in training.
Struggling to find an English player that got more than 6/10 tbh
Sinckler and Smith maybe? That’s about it though.
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I thought Smith had a good game today, was very surprised when Jones took him off..
Murrayfield can be a cold miserable place if your team loses but a fabulous one when they win.
I have been going for 41 years, I have been far too cold on too many occasions.😃
This is a rugby thread though Scruff, a lot of us English deplore the footie attitude also.
To try to balance it up. Smith's, in my book, over celebration of his try to an away crowd is a deliberate wind up.
Great players need to be better than that but he's young. Curry was an good example in the interview post match.
No one side is innocent neither is any crowd.
Thought young D'Arcy played fearlessly throughout.
I have been going for 41 years, I have been far too cold on too many occasions
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That's why I'm happy for you despite the fact England lost.
I thought we found an unlocked back door to England’s win, quickly nipped in and made off with it.
I’ll take the win, I though the defence was excellent, Russell and the Scots backs generally were brutally good (in decision and execution) on the two or three occasions they actually fired up, but how did England lose that.
All C-D had to do was make an honest attempt to catch it and we’d not have won that. Just face your two palms together as you flap at the ball and either you catch it or it’s an accidental knock on. Worse case the Scots regather and score in the corner. England probably ahead by 2 and with 15 players. And a hooker to throw the ball in. Red mist.
Smith must be gutted. He played well and won his bit of the game.
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I think Eddie Jones should check his wallet because Scotland just picked his pocket. 😀
To be fair it could easily have gone the other way. Grinding out a result against the run of play is not a bad quality to have as a team though.
I see DeadlyDarcy is back off his 2 yr holiday 😂
I've seen Scotland play umpteen games where they had all the ball and all the territory and never score. This was a great reversal. Russell and Hogg bossed that game and showed how the Scotland teams familiarity proved to be a bigger asset than individual performances.
To be fair to my own team I thought we had a lot of great individual performances, but zero coherence, it was almost like each bloke played his own game.
Well done, enjoy another good day Scotland.
Smith has been the only bright spark on a dull day. He did look a little off today huge potential for england in the next 5 years.
Looking forward to seeing the french tomorrow Antoine Dupont is class to watch.
huge potential for england in the next 5 years.
^^^ yes, if we can get shot of Jones. Can't stand him or his self-entitled arrogance and lack of manners. The man has not improved the England rugby team one jot. They are still far more ill-disciplined than any other 6 nations side and it costs us time and again, especially in tight games. Well done Scotland - now can we make hadrian's wall the border again so I can be north of it and enjoy the victory 😛😛😛
This is a rugby thread though Scruff, a lot of us English deplore the footie attitude also.
And yet on the soccerball thread you don't get this level of bickering.
Enjoyed the rugger today.
Eddie Jones got rid of a lot of the old England attitude and now he is the old attitude. I thought he said never stay too long and yet....
Eh? Russell and Hogg bossed that game???
I’m not even English and not a chance can I agree with that comment. Maybe the last 20 minutes they were on a par with the English backs, but absolutely did not boss the game.
Their kicking in the first half was atrocious, both players making mistakes and putting their defence under pressure. They were massively on the back foot in the first half and had no way whatsoever ever to boss the game.
Good game at Murrayfield today, although I think the ref bottled it in those final scrums.
Cowan-Dickies yellow changed the game and was the right decision. The Scottish 14 who jumped with him was a lucky boy though, as there was a raking hand across LCDs face as he came down. Subbing Smith for Ford backfired for England.
What do we think about some of the rule changes this year? The strange hooker split feet thing and the goal line defensive drop out if held up over the line?
Oh, and Ireland looked pretty immense today.
TeeJay, take a lesson from NFL rules and have a penalty given against you for taunting the opposition. Not cool.
apologies. I was just doing the happy dance. Jeepers am I not allowed a little celebration?
Oh, and Ireland looked pretty immense today.
Ireland for the slam! f we have been englands bogey team the last few years ireland have been ours. We have no way thru them
I don't see Scotland beating Ireland. wales scotland is anybody's game
Eh? Russell and Hogg bossed that game???
I’m not even English and not a chance can I agree with that comment. Maybe the last 20 minutes they were on a par with the English backs,
There were a few decisive kicks. Russell did a beaut into the corner to pun England back and there were a few more. Finn Russell was the difference between the sides today and the best player on the pitch. He orchestrated that game and at times with pure shite to work with. He had englands back three guessing al game where the ball was going and he made sure they guessed wrong
Scotland of a few years ago would have lost that game from 17 10 down. that was a mature performance by players at the top of their game. We just squeaked it.
I was trying to post the stats. Scotland hardly missed many tackles. Thats what won them the gae
I've watched the Scotland v England game twice. First in a very busy very noisy pub. We couldn't hear any commentary, couldn't hear the TV at all in general uproar of the pub. It did cross my mind that they were possibly looking at carding Graham so when we realised that Scotland had been given a penalty try the noise just got louder.
Later on watching at home and with Owen's commenting on the refs decision making I would say the ref got that decision spot on. Bit of a role reversal this England played better much of the time but missed their opportunities, Scotland were ruthless when they needed to be.
Kryton
i remember the days when you had all the talent. When we might just pinch a win at home G Morrison in the centre.........
hope was a brave thing to have in those days. Let me enjoy this moment. its been a long time coming
Marcus Smith impressed me today - a real talent. England with him running the show are going to be good
Rule changes - I think are good in general and yet we still saw multiple scrums going down and being reset.
Not sure on the goal-line drop out. I get the intent but in a rule and clause heavy sport they might need to add a couple.
When England kicked too long, their reward was the ball back (albeit dropout contested) about 20m out. Didn't seem right; that should be a 22 dropout.
When they had a good break and very nearly scored but were held up over the line their reward was the same - when it should have been a scrum. I think I read the intent was to stop the massed goaline impasse where time and again they'd be held up on the line or get over and held up only to reset and start again, instead wanting them to try something different. But maybe within a passage of play the first time it happens you get a scrum but on the second or third time it then becomes a dropout.
And as for the 50:22 creating more spaces in the back lines. I didn't see it.
I don’t think Russel was the best player to be honest, in my eyes he was good but that’s it. Hogg and Matt Fagerson were good, but don’t think it was a game where any player could be considered to have bossed or controlled it.
England dominated the first half, in part due to poor tactics and poor kicking. Against a better more clinical team than England (France or Ireland) the game would have been over after 40 mins.
Van Der Merwe and Darcy both had good games and look promising. VDM gave a few penalties away (one very harsh)but both players looked very dangerous and had England panicking every time they had the ball, even if in their own half.
Englands defensive organisation at times was very poor, almost schoolboy level at times.
I’ll have to watch the game again this week as I honestly don’t recognise some of the comments on here.
It was a good result but certainly didn’t think the performance was particularly good against what is quite a blunt attack.
As a neutral it was a great game to watch. But no dominant stand out performance from anyone.
Oh, and Ireland looked pretty immense today.
Let's wait till they play a proper team.
if we can get shot of Jones. Can’t stand him or his self-entitled arrogance and lack of manners. The man has not improved the England rugby team one jot
Whilst I agree with your sentiment we shouldn't forget what a hopeless, rudderless, useless team England were under Lancaster.
Jones did what any half-decent coach should have done with a huge pool of talent and unlimited resources - a Grand Slam and a winning tour of Australia.
They should have stopped there and moved on, learning from his past history where initial success was always followed by him outstaying his welcome and creating a toxic environment. But they didn't and it's been mostly down hill despite a couple of 6N titles.
It's clear his martinet style of leadership alienates those around him - hence the rapid turnover of coaching and backroom staff. Likewise any players who dare to disagree with his approach are out (Danny Care).
Those two 5th place 6N finishes should've been enough to finish him but somehow the **** never sticks and just the underlings are held responsible.
The RFU are too craven to admit they got the wrong man so keep giving him multi million pound contracts to continue the mediocrity.
Jones also got us to WC final, after a semi where we beat NZ. We also beat SA last autumn.
I think Woodsters summary is very accurate.
I hope we won’t be seeing Daley for a while, it felt like we were playing with one centre all match, Jones should have bought Atkinson and Nowell on for Daley and Marchant much sooner, and Dombrandt should have controlled at 8 with Simmons going to 6 which may have calmed things down a little. Ludlam has a shambolic style to watch but played well I thought .
Eddies usual attitude of inflexibly playing out of position hurt us - amongst many other things - but it shouldn’t take away from Scotland’s performance.
I’m also calling Ireland for the 6N win.
Anyway, U14 grading match in the rain kicks off in 90 mins, should be fun!
I’m also calling Ireland for the 6N win.
I'm going France
Ludlam always plays with that whirling dervish style.
I forgot Daley was in the pitch. I think Nowell would have been much better on sooner he plays like another6 and him stationed outwide would allow DomB to smash through the middle.
Russell wasn't great but he was smart. Playing where and when we needed to. Smith is mercurial but at club level he has a big basher outside him who has good hands. Manu is not the future and I'd be surprised if he plays international rugby again.
Oh and well done Brian Moore he did a good job in commentary hope the replacement is as honest about both sides on the pitch.
Jones also got us to WC final, after a semi where we beat NZ. We also beat SA last autumn
True but what did those victories get us? One brought humiliation in the final. The other showed we can beat an understrength SA in a game with no context.
England should be challenging for the Grand Slam every year and winning RWCs.
We have no right to that at all. Ireland, France, Wales and Scotland are regularly now amongst the best in the world. We need to look at ourselves rather than expect success.
Oh and your statement makes a WC sound easier than a Slam, with is a bit odd.
We have no right to that at all. Ireland, France, Wales and Scotland are regularly now amongst the best in the world. We need to look at ourselves rather than expect success.
Oh and your statement makes a WC sound easier than a Slam, with is a bit odd.
Exactly.
Ireland, France, Wales and Scotland are regularly now amongst the best in the world
Is he taking the piss 😄
Wales have had a good run over the last 15 years or so, with some world class players, currently we are shit. That core group of 5 or 6 top notch players are either past it or retired. Shame but that's the facts
Scotland are regularly now amongst the best in the world
Woah there!!!!
Oh and well done Brian Moore he did a good job in commentary hope the replacement is as honest about both sides on the pitch.
Afraid not so lucky. BBC is sticking with Jonathan Davies who can't see past Wales ever doing anything wrong and has the most annoying voice for commentary.
Brian Moore has been a fair and brutally honest pundit. Shame to see him go.
Yeah, disappointed to see Brian Moore go, have always enjoyed his honest appraisal.
Oh and your statement makes a WC sound easier than a Slam, with is a bit odd
Yeah it did, didn't it.
Grand Slams are pretty flipping hard to win. How many teams have ever win two in a row? Even the great England RWC winning side only managed one (with several near misses). I guess the job of an England coach is to win the RWC or he's deemed to have failed.
Look, England have made FOUR RWC finals. Four more than all the Celtic nations combined. They have more players than everyone else put together and they have more resources.
Ireland have never been past a ¼ final. Scotland have had more false dawns than I've had hot dinners. Wales overachieve but can't consistently defeat the SH sides. France are just too flakey although that may be changing.
The fact is England are the NH powerhouse and should do better. I'm not saying we have a right to win. It's just that with all these factors in place, England should be dominating.
Woo hoo! C'mon Italy 😃
Knock on?
Wales should hopefully improve over the tournament as they've gone into it without much recent game-time and they play Italy at home. However, it's looking like it may be a very uncomfortable watch.
Wales should hopefully improve
Hopefully!!
I didn’t say are the best, I said regularly amongst the best.
I definitely believe the Celtic nations have benefitted from concentrating their domestic players into a few teams, so playing at a higher level week in week out.
“Celtic Nations”
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I definitely believe the Celtic nations have benefitted from concentrating their domestic players into a few teams, so playing at a higher level week in week out.
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Have you ever seen a pro12/14/URC game?
When are Italy playing Wales, official updated my status from concerned to worried!! Look far more physical than Wales