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Fabulous win! its been a long time coming but that is the true potential of this Scotland team. We stopped England from playing - Scrums were good, discipline good. Stole a couple of lineouts. made breaks but most importantly played the tactical and territory game really well
Gauss- well maybe France with Ntamack
I didn’t really understand what you meant, for all that Scotland did to win that game, great attacking rugby wasn’t part of it imho. But, I think I’ve misunderstood you.
Fair play the Scotland.
I will take that, we beat that supposedly powerful English team like a ginger stepchild. Made all the sweeter by having to listen to Clive "windy" Woodward blethering pish at half time.
First time in near 40 years. A tightly controlled performance. Very unlike Scotland. There will be hangovers tomorrow lockdown or no lockdown
Bloody Edinburgh based Engurlanders hijacking our celebrations.
Good work Scotland
That was fun watching Farrell trying to string sentences together 😁😁😁
🙂
*does the happy dance*
Bloody Edinburgh based Engurlanders hijacking our celebrations.
🤣🤣🤣
Best team won well done Scotland.
Anybody still think Russell lacks enough game management for the lions?
That performance has been coming for both teams, both England who have been average but been able to beat people as do have some good players and are big, and Scotland who also have some good players but also a collective purpose and some decent coaching.
The Jones experiment can end now please he is not a good coach.
Well played to Scotland though thoroughly deserving, keep up that intensity please. Redpath looks a good find, decent backrow and some pacey backs.
That's got to be the best Scotland performance since they beat Australia in 2017.
That scoreline flattered England. Scotland were totally dominant.
And no Russel has to go on a Lions tour he is a point of difference. Farrell too limited to unlock defences, Ford is the better 10 of those two.
stevenmenmuir - let me enjoy it please! I have been a scotland supporter for 45 years. Moments like this do not happen very often. I remember to dog days when Shug Lamont was our best back!
Anybody still think Russell lacks enough game management for the lions?
I don’t think he did enough today to get in a test team. And he made too many mistakes.
England were bloody awful, we didn't score any tries, gave up umpteen penalties, got very few turnovers, lost the ball in hand, lost lots of lineouts and scrums, and knocked on quite a lot. That was shyte. Scotland didn't do any of that, really all they had to do was turn up, we gifted that game.
Anybody still think Russell lacks enough game management for the lions?
Totally dominant pack but didn't steer them, no idea if anyone else is better though. Who tried the drop goal at the end that was ****ing stupid beyond. Fas will improve that was his first game for months. I'd say Sexton is passed it but I'm very worried about Wales being pasted tomorrow!!
Can we get that Italian 10 he's ace!!
TJ. And you were a fan when Francis Moncreiff was captain.
It would be interesting if they had a series of games NH v SH
we gifted that game
I’m sorry but I think your doing Scotland a disservice there. They outplayed England fair and square. That for sure was not the best England performance any of us have seen, but Scotland were not gifted the game, they won it.
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I dunno, if they had outplayed us they should have scored a brace. The one good play was the try. To me when England had the ball they looked v dangerous, problem was all the stupid mistakes and coughing up the ball. Scotland didn't look dangerous in attack at all. Yes they deserved to win, they kept their discipline and game plan and capitalised on most of our mistakes. But they were not that great either.
5plusn8
3 good chances missed by Scotland plus others. 8 pts in kicks as well. Scotland totally dominated Territory and possession. Turned England over a few times and hardly missed a tackle. Didn't drop a ball that I remember
Scotland should have scored 15 more points at least
England never had the ball, when they did it was so far behind the gain line it was a different postcode, so they kicked most of it away, and very badly too.
How many visits to the 22 did they make? At no stage did England look dangerous, Scotland beat them in all areas and comfortably too!
TJAGAIN exactly. Should have been 15 more. Why not?
Not that good that's why. Sorry.
You wanna see good? Look at France beat England last year, we played our socks off, but France were just better.
8 pts in kicks as well.
If you don’t kick them, they don’t count. Scotland deserved to win, but they were somewhat lucky England didn’t steal it off them in the end.
Points taken ( or not as the case may be) 🙂
A good part of the reason England looked so poor was scotlands defense and breakdown play was so good
How drunk are you tonight tj?!
I hope that Scotland can maintain that performance through the tournament.
England were outplayed. I was hopeful at the outset as I think injuries create opportunities and generally cause team rotation. Mark Wilson and Billy were fairly anonymous. Tom Curry tried hard but don’t make an impact.
England need a shake up. Maybe this can be the catalyst!
Must have been pretty tense as a Scotland fan knowing you were only one fluke England score away from losing despite the dominance (and something that England have done many times to flatter themselves). Unfortunately playing bad but winning means that the problems don’t get resolved just the cracks papered over.
A good part of the reason England looked so poor was scotlands defense and breakdown play was so good
This looks correct, but I can’t help feeling Scotland should have done more to eliminate lingering doubts. As 5plusn8 says, Scotland did not look threatening. Especially not when we’ve come to expect their pace and attacking flair.
There’s a long way to go in this Tournament and this game has opened it up.
Ireland must be licking their lips having seen that game. A convincing win over Wales and they’ll likely not fear anyone.
If Wales lose to Ireland tomorrow, they have Scotland at Murrayfield next week and potentially a lot of pain to look forward to.
A great afternoon of rugby. Only thing that's spoiled it for me has been the sporting and magnanimous reaction of Eddie Jones (in his post-match interview) and all the England fans on here.
Come on guys, at least show a bit of resentment and bitterness so we don't feel guilty about rubbing it in. (-:
That said, I think the Eddie Jones we saw in the interview is not the Eddie Jones the England players will be seeing tomorrow.
KennyP exactly why Jones is not the coach we need. That shouty you didn’t listen to me type of coach is probably far removed from most other modern coaches.
I am a Scotland fan and I so think that we'll Chuck it away stupidly in the next few games by being suckered out of our gameplan.
Ultimately we didn't let England play and we kept pressure on. Yes it wasn't expansive rugby but it was a hard game against one of the top teams.
When Scotland have done the best it's through scrappy loose forward play, first there apply pressure keep opposition on the back foot.
That's what we did.england couldn't settle and a few players are on edge, Billy V struggled, Farrell just hasn't got imagination (good player to a plan but...) Jonny May (as a winger I'm no fan) was the shining example of England today.
Bad day at the office need to have an ability to play what's in front of them not the blackboard.
France will be a challenge for all of us.
Wtf I scanned every bloody topic on the first page three bloody times before I posted mine! Two sodding years I a row!
Anyway, nothing more to add, that was a tense ending though!
Be honest guys. We looked fantastic in 75% of the field, but our execution in the 22 and our place kicking let England off the hook.
On a good day Scotland should have won by 20 points given our dominance in most of the field.
That said I’ll take the win. Best one since 1990 at Murrayfield.
PS Is that 4 years since England beat us at Twickers chaps?
Should have been 15 more. Why not?
Not that good that’s why. Sorry.
Hahahaha. Bitter much? Get it right up ye! Scotland! Scotland! Scotland!
Good stuff, the master race fans and the English centric media are in denial. Out coached and outplayed in every department but Scotland were lucky? Dry yer eyes sweetcheeks. New day though so new excuses in 2 of the English papers this morning.
Oh and this;
Hahahaha. Bitter much? Get it right up ye!
Be honest guys. We looked fantastic in 75% of the field, but our execution in the 22 and our place kicking let England off the hook.
This seems right, also I think v England at Twickenham, kick the bloody points, every chance you get take the points build a lead.
And England, why the **** kick the ball away constantly with less than 10 to go and needing a try?
And if Fax hasn't played for ages and is having a shocker why keep him on when you bring on Ford.
And Vunipola, didn't notice him till he was taken off, that other lock was rubbish too, floors on the first ruck and then that's all he did all game, get him off put Lawes on at lock, not bloody six.
And Itoje STOP GIVING AWAY PENALTIES.
AND DAN ROBSON you are the weakest link, goodbye.
I could go on. This six nations is going to be see weird results with no crowd. Fort Twickenham and Millennium will suffer with no crowd to lift players or influence ref.
Funnily enough I wasn't really that worried going into the final 10 minutes. Normally I would be saying, 'We ARE going to lose this one' but in this case I was saying, 'We're probably going to lose this one' but even then I'm not sure if that was just me hedging my bets. I honestly wasn't very worried.
For all that Scotland weren't running up the scoreboard, England didn't look like they were going to do anything anywhere.
Maybe the stars are finally starting to align for Scotland. We should enjoy it while we can. If you look at the state of the clubs you can see where we are going to go from here.
Funnily enough I wasn’t really that worried going into the final 10 minutes.
I was!! Having said that, England just kicked the ball away every time they got it
I was!! Having said that, England just kicked the ball away every time they got it
Exactly, normally I would start getting worried as the phase count started to rise but in this case it was two phases and then kick it straight to Hogg.
The lack of ambition was startling, even Wales, playing shit like we are and with Halfpenny at fullback, would give it a lash.
Without wanting to take anything away from Scotland, because if Wales had just won the game I'd be an insufferable **** on here, but England were dreadful, utterly dreadful.
Well done again Scotland 😀
Without wanting to take anything away from Scotland, because if Wales had just won the game I’d be an insufferable **** on here, but England were dreadful, utterly dreadful.
I agree with a_a, and also with Tjagain that in large part Scotland made England look woeful by matching them up front physically. Eddie Jones has taken no doubt very talented players and made them rather one dimensional. Why he didn’t bring Ford on earlier I don’t know. He had been saying games are won in the last 20 minutes, maybe he thought something would miraculously happen. Why he doesn’t have a player like Marcus Smith, who could try something different, on the bench I don’t know.
So the criticism of Scotland is we didn't put England away? Not that we lost a tight game or didn't turn up but that we only scored one of about 4 good chances? I'll take that.
Having given Townsend a lot of flak in the past I have to now give him a chunk of the credit for that. the players were prepared properly.
Oh - and this
Hahahaha. Bitter much? Get it right up ye!
for Sale. One chariot. spares or repair - the wheels have fallen off
TJ - yep. We looked good, a nice balance of control, common sense and malice. Except that we kicked to the corner when we should have taken three at the posts, missed a kick at the posts we really should have got, and kicked at the posts from halfway when we should have been 17-6 up and kicking for the corner.
Ultimately you can play as well as you like, but scoreboards win games.
However like I said, best win against England since 1990. And those problems? They’re nice problems to have.
Three home games and Paris. Maybe, just maybe.
Even the last pass before the try looked as though they’d butchered the opportunity.fortunately Van Dee Merwe was able to power over but it wasn’t made easy for him. I hope they don’t click against Wales though
Van Dee Merwe was able to power over but it wasn’t made easy for him.
I was surprised at the time that they didn’t check the grounding, I guess the ref had a good view. It was close to being held up though.
I’m not sure if I can stomach watching this afternoon. I have a very bad vibe.
As an England fan, I had nothing positive to say about yesterdays performance. I don't remember a single chance we had. The score flattered us. Im sulking today.
The moment of the game for me was inside the last 10 minutes I think. Jonny Gray and a couple of other Scottish forwards were able to lift up the English ball carrier turn him round and place him down facing the wrong way so that Scotland won a penalty. No English supporting players in sight. Very poor from England and a sign of a pack who knew they were bossing it.
England can improve a lot so can Scotland our attack was less incisive than I'd expect. Trìcky part is keeping the discipline and control while allowing the flair players to play off the cuff when appropriate.
I was surprised at the time that they didn’t check the grounding, I guess the ref had a good view. It was close to being held up though.
It was a clear try from the replays, that was the best thing Scotland did all game, especially as I thought they had wasted their 10mins with all their scrums to nowhere. They would have scored more if the backs got more ball.
Come what may I have my virtual Welsh shirt on today for my friend “Welsh Steve” who was taken by c19 a couple of weeks ago.
I’m kinda glad it’s an empty stadium because for that reason a full force Welsh anthem would have me in tears today.
Cant see Wales winning here, 15-20 PT win for Ireland. Sad really as I'd back Gatwards to coach the available squad to the win
Why is Larmour on the bench, has he been injured?
my friend “Welsh Steve” who was taken by c19 a couple of weeks ago.
So sorry to hear about that.
Welsh anthem would have me in tears today.
Embrace the years, I find it helps!
Kryton I am sorry for your loss. Lets hope its good day for Wales.
However, I'm tending to agree with you Anagallis, Ireland to win.
Cant see Wales winning here, 15-20 PT win for Ireland. Sad really as I’d back Gatwards to coach the available squad to the win
😩😩 pretty much agree with you. Ireland by 8-11pts for me. I reckon we’ll know within 10 minutes if Wales stand any chance.
I’m praying Biggar does something to galvanise everyone. (lots of ifs, but if) North copes/thrives in the centre, R-Z gets some ball and has a great game, Tipuric&Falateu play like they did against Italy...
I guess I’d settle for halfpenny kicking 30 points
I guess I’d settle for halfpenny kicking 30 points
Settle, I'd be **** ecstatic!!
1 down 9 to go 😏
Well he has started already!!!
Not a fan of the fake crowd noises, messes with my brain looking at empty stands! Also drowns out a bit what the referee and players are saying.
Got to be red! Despite what ref says
Don't worry we can still lose this!!
Red card
Not a fan of the fake crowd noises, messes with my brain looking at empty stands! Also drowns out a bit what the referee and players are saying.
Beer helps...
O'Mahoney(sp) has previous for a headshot ban, doesn't he? Was neutral, now supporting Wales in memory of Krytons mate. AA; you are still an arse.
Wales were doing better against 15
AA; you are still an arse.
Let's be honest, that won't change!!
Shambolic shite from Wales
Well done Ireland
😭😭😭😭
Should be a doddle next week at Murrayfield
Might walk the dog.
Might walk the dog.
Do that and we might make a comeback
Jesus 😢😢
Ok that’s better
Poor old Billy Burns! Ireland deserved to win that. Pivac must go.
Wow, I was going to say Ireland deserved to win, but not with that last kick.
Thank goodness that’s over.
supporting Wales in memory of Krytons mate
Thank you. What a time for Wales to win, it’s a bit dusty in the Kryton house hold, that’s for you Welsh Steve.
Emotions aside, what a great game to show England that playing Rugny with more than 8 players is awesome. Sticking by my prediction of England 3rd in the table, unless a massive change appears.
Pivac must go.
I think he's out of his depth