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the only marginal decision for me was the held up and the TMO has to find enough evidence to overturn it and IMO it didn't look certain it was held up. The other was clearly no try
Its tricky but I am not sure how the process could be improved - they have a process to work thru and a framework to make the decisions.
Its tricky but I am not sure how the process could be improved – they have a process to work thru and a framework to make the decisions.
My issue is so much rides on the refs initial guess which is all it is because that's why they are going to the video ref.
Henson played 80 mins v Widnes today, missed his conversion though, useless prick! Got plenty of kick off practice though!!!
My issue is so much rides on the refs initial guess which is all it is because that’s why they are going to the video ref.
they tried having the TMO make the decisions and what tended to happen was inconclusive = no try hence why they went to on field decision then TMO to overturn so inconclusive on replay = go with on field decision
they tried having the TMO make the decisions and what tended to happen was inconclusive = no try hence why they went to on field decision then TMO to overturn so inconclusive on replay = go with on field decision
Maybe we should get rid of the tmo for tries then, and add extra points for the quality of the finish then Zammits non try would have been worth double!!!
Aside from the obvious arseholery of Genge, that has no excuse, that video highlights something about rugby that gets on my tits big time.
Sexton is obviously holding on to him, and even during the face grinding he doesn't appear to give up easily, all this off the ball niggling needs to be sorted out. There were umpteen other incidents in the game from both sides and it needs to be stamped out (AWJ is a master at it, he was pissing off the frogs no end).
I am sure some of you think its part of the game but things like holding on to players after the ruck has broken up is a deliberate way of gaining some advantage, it should lead to citings. People think rugby is played by gents but there are lots of arseholes on the field that go way past the margins of the law.
Rant over..
edit Faz used to be the worst at this, little off the ball things that made you ashamed of him, he still does it, maybe less obviously now.
it should lead to citings.
I'm not what retrospective punishment you'd apply to someone "for holding on to players after the ruck has broken up". If the ref chose to penalise it during the game, it would be a penalty and no more.
I think we need to come up with something, send video examples to management and all players risk a yellow or 1 match ban every time they do it.
I expect Every England player would be banned after saturday, but it would stop fast and clean the game up.
There is a difference between offside, offeet, holding on, not releasing, sealing off etc, these things are all penalties or free kicks, but can happen accidentally. Deliberate off the ball arseyness could be defined and sanctioned.
there was a try chalked off at the weekend for exactly that - can't remember what match ( Maybe glasgow?) ruck on the line. an attacker holding two defenders and pulling them away from the ruck
with TMOs its picked up fairly often but often its also two players taking each other out of the game
That Genge incident needs sorting out, that looks very bad.
Scotland / France is on. Much to my surprise the deal is done for player release but no details on how much the PRL extorted and who paid
Sexton is obviously holding on to him
And the other England player is lying on Sexton, its a mess.
What's the deal with Maitland not in the squad? He has been pretty good recently.
By the way after the weekends games I've revised my lions 15.
Hogg
Watson
North
Henshaw
Zammit
Henson
Still not sure
Faletau
?
?
Itoje
Ryan
Furlong
?
Marler
Sits back and awaits congratulations....
And the other England player is lying on Sexton, its a mess.
I'm not apportioning blame. Just pointing out there is a hand on the back of Genges collar throughout the whole thing. I expect Genge did the same thing to someone else earlier.
Nice a_a, love having Henson in the team
I’m not apportioning blame.
I know I just thought it was funny that and England player was preventing an Irish player from getting up who was holding another England player down. Soon all 30 will be lay on top of each other with a ref randomly shouting "use it"
What’s the deal with Maitland not in the squad? He has been pretty good recently.
No one seems to know - I can only think injury
Yeah it looked like pick up sticks.
Maitland - cotter has tweeted that there was a limit on how many English based players could be selected and thats why Maitland misses out
I have my doubts on that but if true then the SRU should have not accepted that. It means France get an advantage from the delay
https://twitter.com/MrAndrewCotter/status/1374042428156604421?s=19
Maitland – cotter has tweeted that there was a limit on how many English based players could be selected and thats why Maitland misses out
That was my first thought when I saw the squad, shame. Fair play he's been good this six nations.
Might be because its a deal with PRL rather than the RFU and Saracens aren't in the Premiership.
However it is a real shame as he has played really well and provides lots of cover as well.
Aa
Surely Beirne is close enough to Welsh after his years at Scarlets, should get him in.
Henderson has been better than Ryan this year and that's from a Leinster fan.
No to marler.
Fin Russell had an error free week. 😉
Fin Russell had an error free week
He's good, but he's no Gav!!!
Surely Beirne is close enough to Welsh after his years at Scarlets,
That's true, Lions 6 jersey between him and Simon Easterby
No to marler.
He is a WGBE but maybe the best scrummaging option available, that pick was actually half serious.
Strange thing is, if they applied the framework for a leading forearm to the genge incident it'd be a red.
Away from the body, with force, deliberate action, not enjoy mitigation.
Ah well just a bit of high jinx.
Half of me hope Genge gets a Lion's spot and plays in a few mid week games in SA, he'd either get his head kicked in or completely explode at the provocation and get sent off.
My opinion that Genge incident is worth a yellow not red - its not with force. Marginal call tho.
Genge was rubbish in the game and his frustration boiled over.
I'd like to see the other angles, as actually on closer inspection Sexton is hanging on with both arms, or at least one arm and the other arm holding the scrum cap is someone elses holding him down.
Plus footage is shite, mobile recording from screen. Almost deliberate.
I’d like to see the other angles, as actually on closer inspection Sexton is hanging on with both arms, or at least one arm and the other arm holding the scrum cap is someone elses holding him down.
Doesn't really matter as hitting people in the head with your arm is illegal no matter what they were doing...within reason
Yeah I'm just trying to understand why they didn't cite him. Seems like a decent offence to me. Retaliation is not an excuse.
There are two different things going on here, one is the rules the other is the morals.
EG is Aki a bad-un for his tackle and red card? I say no, it was an accident/rugby incident. He, like many others needs to retrain in the tackle, there was no obvious malice in his actions. So Aki broke the rules, but not a deliberate immoral move.
I'm just interested in the clip shown that makes Genge out to be an arse, when if you watch the whole thing there is a bit of tit for tat going on. It's no longer has the appearance of an unprovoked incident.
I agree Genge broke the rules, but the morals of it are now much less clear than they were.
As above - for me its a yellow card incident so no citing needed.
yellow card incident
Fair point, that could be it.
So Scotland only allowed 5 England club based pplayers. Maitland and Bhati are out.
Yup - an utter disgrace and the SRU should not have accepted it. We don't know either who had to pay the bribe to the PRL
Sack it. Blood some young players and a new squad.
Yup – an utter disgrace and the SRU should not have accepted it. We don’t know either who had to pay the bribe to the PRL
I don't understand, odes the SRU have some kind of deal with english clubs?
an utter disgrace and the SRU should not have accepted it
I presume awarding a 28:0 win to Scotland and having the game cancelled would be a bigger blow to Scottish rugby finances. Scotland needed the game more than anyone so we're on the back foot in any discussion from the start.
I presume awarding a 28:0 win to Scotland and having the game cancelled would be a bigger blow to Scottish rugby finances.
I belive the differnce in 6N prize money between 2nd and 4th is 1.5 muillion so thats not it
I don’t understand, odes the SRU have some kind of deal with english clubs?
Not under usual circumstances no. the match is being played outside of normal dates for player release. the PRL will not let clubs release players outside the normal windows without being bribed huge sums. There has been a one off deal for this ( RFU /World rugby / 6N committee have no balls) and this appears to be the deal. the rugby authorities should have been much stronger and I am amazed that the SRU have accepted this
Young team play as best they can accept a hiding expose the ridiculous situation. WRU might raise their heads if we propose that.
I belive the differnce in 6N prize money between 2nd and 4th is 1.5 muillion so thats not it
Ignore me I thought it was being played at Murray field.
Yeah if we want decent competitions the RFU and World rugby need to step in. Its daft.
Times is reporting that the 6N broadcasting deal is done, and it's shared between BBC, ITV and Amazon
Yup – an utter disgrace and the SRU should not have accepted it. We don’t know either who had to pay the bribe to the PRL
Isn't this just a case of Scottish players signing contracts outside of the SRU's best interests?
What's to "accept" or not?
don't they want to play a rugby match?
without being bribed huge sums
How is this a bribe? Hogg has a £550 000 salary with Exeter. There are set times he can play for Scotland. Why should Exeter lose their player and not be recompensed?
Apparently
Eddie Jones has identified Marcus Smith and Joe Simmonds among a number of potential England debutants this summer
I think I might throw my name into the hat as the next England coach if it’s taken him until now to come up with this plan. I guess the only trouble with that is that so many other people have been saying the same thing.
Also apparently:
Gatland is favourite to replace Jones if he should leave. I’d love to see what he could do for them.
Also apparently:
Gatland is favourite to replace Jones if he should leave. I’d love to see what he could do for them.
I ****ing wouldn't. Is Holley available?
😂
We are only going to have Garland if we can have Edwards too.....
We are only going to have Garland if we can have Edwards too…..
I think either would be good, but I'd be over the moon if we got Gatland. He made Wales an incredible force with only a small no of eligible players.
Its a bribe because no other team body holds this sort of hold over players and no its not contracts. North had a contract allowing release but the PRL killed that provision
Its all about power and money to a small unnacountable group of club owners. The REFU were weak and gave them the power and by 'eck have they abused it
Wilson on the bench for Scotland. somone will get carded for sure
Quite looking forward to the game, feels like a bonus match on TV as a neutral.
I had forgotton this
When Scotland were playing Georgia in October in a designated international window the PRL asked for the scots exeter players to be released for the english cup final. Scotland obliged without question or money changing hands
This is how we are paid back, the PRL behave like utter shits over player release
The rain has to favour Scotland surely? France need an open game and that won't help.
The rain has to favour Scotland surely? France need an open game and that won’t help.
Not sure I agree, French pack is pretty handy..
Anyway, come of Scotland you can do it!!
0-0 at the end would do
Oh flower of Scotland 😀
Scotland are making France look average to poor.
That penalty is the turning point for france, gonna win now.
Wayne Barnes.......hmmmmm.
That French scrum needs to be straighter. Not even remotely square.
I'll be disappointed if France score here, I think Scotland have been playing better all the way through.
Barnes has been a bit iffy so far.
Just bloody bin someone so the game can be played!
5 pens in a row on the line and a warning. Barnes needs to sort himself out
That was terrifyingly good, French backs are awesome in attack.
Ok my view changed after that passage of play.
Weather is ruining things really. Neither side can hold onto the ball.
exciting for the neutrals?
I actually feel a bit meh about this. Its been spoiled for me by the release row even tho its not hugely weakened scotland
exciting for the neutrals?
When France score 2 more tries I'll be getting excited!!
Give yourself 3 or 4 minutes then
Surely if it was to be a pen try it should be yellow? Penaud cost his team 2 points by scoring
Scotland just missing the vital last piece of skill each time.
Surely if it was to be a pen try it should be yellow?
I thought that too
Surely if it was to be a pen try it should be yellow? Penaud cost his team 2 points by scoring
I was thinking this too, it's s flaw in the laws. The advantage for France would be the 7 pointer and the yellow card
When I heard that this game was going to be postponed I thought it was going to be just a bit of a sad rump after a tournament that'd already been won. I was dead wrong!
Would be 20 all had Penaud not scored...farce
Yup Barnes is ****ing up here.
Surely you have to at least try to make better use of an advantage. Russell’s cross field kicks are poor.