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Please can we have Japan in the six nations instead of Italy?
Warriors came close to turning over Exeter today.
How do you see your national league panning out this year?
Planning some trips to see London Irish, Leinster and Munster - Irish fell to Saracens yesterday but better performance than of late. Hopefully will stay up this season.
Ospreys are really really poor so far this year.
Going to be a tougher season for Chiefs this year.
Ospreys are really really poor so far this year
I can confirm this fact.
Things are so bad in Ospreylia they have been playing Lydiate at lock.
Warriors came close to turning over Exeter today.
Eh? Warriors played Southern kings on friday???
(Glasgow warriors)
Edinburgh. Decent start to the season. Decent squad. Should be challenging for a european cup place and a playoff.
Glasgow have had a poor start.
Wasps struggling so far 🙁
Salarysens docked 35 points and fined £5m for breaching salary cap.
Salarysens docked 35 points and fined £5m for breaching salary cap.
****ing hell!! Thats going to cause issues
Have they? I’ve heard rumours but not seen anything concrete - it makes sense, their squad is bloody immense and they’ve added to it for this season, surely it’s not within the cap!
5 million as well! Bet it never comes to anything, they will appeal it to death. That would have left them third bottom last year, so no Europe.
Guardian and BBC reporting it this morning.
Gives my mighty Tigers a chance this season any way!!
That would have left them third bottom last year, so no Europe.
The penalty is for this season.
It also leaves the question of how they manage their salary set up for this season as well, assuming it's still structured in the way that attracted this fine!
Yes Flashy, I was commenting on the potential implication based on last seasons table. What's the betting they have all the Engerlund players back in action this weekend? I will believe it when I see it though, there will be somebody in front of a judge getting an injunction as we speak. Although table currently showing them on minus 26 points!
Amazing news, not sure I am in agreement with Salary cap but if you have one then is is ridiculous they flout it so blatantly.
Gotcha, Ducks!
I presume they will have to get shot of lots of players for next season, hows that going to work with the players contracts?
Oh yes, it’s everywhere now.
Ads678 - sadly even if you apply the points deduction to last year they are ahead of where tigers finished - tragic!
(From a fellow Tigers fan)
Sarries have been hit big time for their very blatant disregard for the salary cap; 35 point deduction and a £5m fine both of which they’re appealing.
How it has come as a surprise is beyond me; George, Itoje, Billy, Maki, Kruis, Koch, Spencer, Daly, Goode, Williams etc are all dirt cheap....
As an interesting point, both wasps and Hairy quims exceeded the cap. Both were fined half the amount they exceeded it by; that puts the overspend at 10 million. Or 3 million more that the annual salary cap (7 plus 2 marquee players) for a club. That isn’t an oversight, that is deliberate cheating on a huge scale. The rest of the prem is closing ranks AGAINST them if the story in today’s Times is accurate.
Indeed, Duckman, I'd be very surprised if it was only Saracens who've cheated here. I suppose the thing is that theirs was just so bleeding obvious when you look at the squad.
I am really glad that they are sorting this out. People will always try to push salery caps but it been so obvious saracens have been cheating on a massive scale
I do fear however this will end up in a messy court battle
Luckily for the Dregs, the Pro14 doesnt have a salary cap, so they can keep assembling their team of poundshop stars!!!
The paper had the private companies set up by him and various players listed, he seems to think that's ok; prem rugby disagrees. Jim Hamilton let slip on the podcast that he hadn't paid his rent for the three years he was there. Bet the shed is DEAD understanding this weekend. Also; he appeals and uses the same players...what happens then if they lose the case?
I've been told that Sarries will be fined again for not turning up to some european do, is this true?
Possibly.
European rugby are also considering what, if any, steps to take about Saracens in the Heineken over the last three years.
This isn't going away quickly.
Appeal launched and now the points appear to be back...
CFH - I cannot see what action the european cup could take given there is no salary cap for that comp. Is it on the basis that by cheating Saracens should not have had a team available?
I don't believe European Rugby are interested in the salary cap breach - not turning up to launch is relatively minor offence. What are they going to do, strip the titles and award them to Racing & Toulon?
Presumably whatever dealings they've had to keep that number of players on board for the last three years are still ongoing this season. Are they going to have to have a cull of their squad or ask all the players to take a pay cut to stay under the salary cap this season?
Is that even possible with contracts?
Just going to leave this here 🙂
My godfathers - I thought I was an optimistic Scotland fan!
after the debacle of the WC for Scotland then all scots players have slid right down the reckoning for the lions and quite rightly so. I said before the WC that if the scots players wanted to show how good they were this was the stage to do it on. Well they didn't did they. I think one Scots player improved their reputation - Darcy Graham. Every other players reputation has fallen.
Picking the lions now? I don't think there would be a single scot bar perhaps Hogg
If the Scots want a decent level of representation on the next lions tour then they need to spend the next two years winning things. We have the players to do this but actual deeds count not potential.
Whoosh
teej, stop backtracking; Bruce and I know you wrote that. You think you threw us off the scent by not mentioning Johnny Gray? We are both well aware that the restraining order stops you talking about him/approaching him naked and smeared in peanut butter/emailing him about your dreams.
Dylan Hartley has retired due to an ongoing knee injury that he couldn’t recover from. That combined with his concussion issues, it doesn’t really come as a surprise.
His discipline was piss poor at club level but was remarkably good for England. He was also a pretty big part of that unbeaten run etc.
Regarding Sarries the point deduction has been put on hold due to the appeal. The Prem clubs are indeed closing rank on them and I can see why (for those that actually bother with the cap). It’s so blatantly obvious that they were not bothering with the cap, I can’t believe that they kept going / defending it.
I was amazed that he got 97 caps after the time spent out with injuries and bans (60 weeks!).
Lolz @ Duckman
Darcy Graham is my new mancrush. Ickle jonny is dead to me. Darcy is less of a handful
Scotland given some kick in the balls for daring to question what the robust contingency plans were. Oh, and told to apologise to world rugby for threatening to sue. Even though we didn’t.
Can't you keep that the the RWC thread? Some of us are over Scotlands unedifying response to a storm that killed 20 odd people and would prefer to think about the rest of the season and the 6N?
I will post anything I want on here about things happening in rugby sweetheart.
Some of us are over Scotlands unedifying response to a storm that killed 20 odd people
Speaking of unedifying responses to a storm that killed 20 people:
@Ducky, if you can then sod it so will I.
@brucey Ha that's a pathetic retort.
Scotland 'Moan moan the japanese organisers want to cancel the game so they will win, never mind the fact they are worried about peoples lives'
England 'Weren't we lucky.' Its as self deprecating as it gets, implying that England may well have not won the game against France, not belittling anyone's typhoon experience or loss, nor criticising the organisers.
Scotland ‘Moan moan the japanese organisers want to cancel the game so they will win, never mind the fact they are worried about peoples lives’
I'd like a direct quote of that, please. From someone in the Scottish management, not an interpretation of what your press said someone said.
Also, Alan Gilpin isn't Japanese. Guess what country he's from.
Also, Alan Gilpin isn’t Japanese. Guess what country he’s from.
You do realise that Scotland got to play Japan, their loss was not because of the organisers response to the life threatening typhoon.
You do realise that Scotland got to play Japan, their loss was not because of the organisers response to the life threatening typhoon.
Are you just throwing out random non-sequiturs now because you have no actual argument to make?
It's only a non sequiter to you because you can't see the implications of your statement about Alan Gilpin.
Feel free to spell it out because you're making no sense at the moment.
There's a world cup thread to bicker about the world cup on.
I will post anything I want on here about things happening in rugby sweetheart.
Sums it up for me.
There’s a world cup thread to bicker about the world cup on.
I tried that, had no effect, may as well dig in.
Feel free to spell it out because you’re making no sense at the moment.
God really.
follow these steps, sequentially:
1) Gilpin is English and in your bitter mind you see that he wanted to eradicate the English teams greatest ever rival the glorious Scots.
2) This storm was a jolly wheeze to achieve that (never mind that Japan were a credible threat and I shudder to think what would have happened to England had they faced them).
3) So that fact that the game went ahead implies that you think Scottish pressure forced World rugby to make sure it went ahead for fear of being found out.
4) Yet you are still sad and having bad dreams over a thing that never happened, I was pointing out that your bitterness was misplaced, you should be bitter at having been beaten by Japan. which did happen.
Are you going to address Bruces points? Or are you just going to continue to spout pish because that is some leap of his reference to Gilpin? Doing the latter makes you consistent at least.
I tried that, had no effect.
No you didn't. But on the WC thread you espoused the joy of patronising the celtic races to annoy them,which says a bit about you.
1) Gilpin is English and in your bitter mind you see that he wanted to eradicate the English teams greatest ever rival the glorious Scots.
Nope, just that he doesn't like uppity jocks getting chippy. A trait he shares with many of his countrymen.
I was going to respond to each of your points but then I realised they are mostly just gibberish and life is too short.
How's your search for that quote coming along? Or did you realise it doesn't exist in a form that will back up your narrative?
Read this:
https://www.theoffsideline.com/scottish-rugby-world-cup-sanction/
No you didn’t. But on the WC thread you espoused the joy of patronising the celtic races to annoy them,which says a bit about you.
Yes the same as wanting anyone to win but England. You like it. In fact so do I I because it means we have something to banter about. If you Scots want to be as foolish as to walk into an open goal about the typhoon story you going to have to expect to get wound up about it. It seems to be working.
just think of all the ribbing you could be giving us about losing to South Africa in the dullest game in WC history. God we even let them score two tries against us when they hadn't scored any in the tournament, the jokes write themselves. But no. You are just banging on about the cancelled game that was never cancelled.
But no. You are just banging on about the cancelled game that was never cancelled.
Er, no. We're banging on about a £70,000 pound fine and the demand of an apology within 48 hours.
Is it possible you've just spent a page arguing about something you didn't even know had happened?
No, I know all about that, its part of the same thing. Scotland should have just apologised and moved on. You know on the pitch when you argue with the ref, what happens?
Anyway....back on track...
Some top level trolling from Glaws ahead of their home game against Salarysens tomorrow.
I'm sure the denizens of the Shed will be gracious hosts...
Flashy Tell me more?
So looking forward to the Glaws game 🙂
On BT sport also, the atmosphere is going to be brilliant.
Tom English's analysis. It seems that all World Rugby wants is for Scotland to sit down and shut up. I get the same impression from many on this thread. Tough.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/50338259
Instead of making stuff up based on the innacurate press reports maybe go and read the statement issued by the SRU? It's on the website after all. Bet you were glad Flashy gave you an out there.
Gloucester selling off "Wolfpack" lager
Due to unforeseen circumstances, we are having to dispose of all our remaining stocks of Wolfpack lager at Kingsholm Stadium
https://twitter.com/gloucesterrugby/status/1192487102488993792
I don't get the wolfpack joke. Any help?
Bet you were glad Flashy gave you an out there.
Not really I could go on all day, but it really was a good idea to talk about RWC issues on the RWC thread. If you want to go there and carry on letting me annoy you, I am up for it?
If you want to go there and carry on letting me annoy you, I am up for it?
Awesome, so you've finally found that quote? Let's see it then.
From that Offsideline item: It feels a bit like two bald men fighting over a comb.
Yup.
Whilst I didn’t agree with what Dodson said in the press conference, WR’s stance seems somewhat heavy handed and the demand for a letter of apology just seems ridiculous be very OTT.
I also don’t see why this isn’t being left alone now because it ended up as a none-issue.
Found it. V Good.
Whilst I didn’t agree with what Dodson said in the press conference, WR’s stance seems somewhat heavy handed and the demand for a letter of apology just seems ridiculous be very OTT.
I think at the time most including Scotland fans felt that the way the SRU went about their complaint was far from ideal. However, it was fairly understandable that they were anxious/stressed and it should have been left there. Perhaps in time the SRU would have ‘apologised’ in their own way. However, World Rugby have brought the game into disrepute every bit as much as the SRU imho. It also grates with me demanding the fine be made and given to charity, harks of ‘virtue signalling’ and comes across as very disingenuous.
Hmm, just received a Sarries newsletter with a focus on - wait for it - Calum Clark! Especially in the circumstances highlighting one of the countries dirtiest players doesn't feel the best way to draw someone to the match...
Kryton;When they have to cut the squad Clark is all they will have left.
I think at the time most including Scotland fans felt that the way the SRU went about their complaint was far from ideal. However, it was fairly understandable that they were anxious/stressed and it should have been left there. Perhaps in time the SRU would have ‘apologised’ in their own way. However, World Rugby have brought the game into disrepute every bit as much as the SRU imho. It also grates with me demanding the fine be made and given to charity, harks of ‘virtue signalling’ and comes across as very disingenuous.
Agreed. It’s all very silly now.
Will be interesting to see what the atmosphere is like at the Sarries game tomorrow. Found it odd that Robshaw has put the boot into Sarries so much about cheating given Quinn’s history...
Blinkin Flip Ospreys can’t even beat the Southern Kings at home, shameful
That is not god consdering Glasgow stuffed 'em last week
good wins for both Glasgow and Edinburgh this weekend. Glasgow tho are still going to rue their early start. Lost 3 games already this season compared to 5 in the whole of last season. Loss of the internationals costing Glasgow badly again. 6 nations time will also be hard.
Edinburgh begging to look like contenders again. Will it just be flattery to decieve like last year or can they sustain it?
European cup starts next week so two morale building wins for Glasgow even if against weak opposition should stand them in god stead>
As an aside -= two scuffles on the pitch. No prizes for guessing the Glasgow players involved 😉 anyone want to guess?
A question for you guys
Lineouts. With the hooker throwing in in a full lineout does that mean its 7 jumpers on the throwing side against 8? Or does a back go into the lineout?
Hooker plus seven jumpers/lifters*
Opposition hooker usually lines up in the tramlines.
*of course, can't lift these days, only support. As my Singaporean friends would say, same same, but different.
Also, Ospreys.
FFS.
Can't help but think there was a penalty try for all those penaltiea/advantages on the line, but the Spreys sril totally failed to close out the game.
Lineouts. With the hooker throwing in in a full lineout does that mean its 7 jumpers on the throwing side against 8? Or does a back go into the lineout?
Throwing in team decide the number, you can put as many in as you like, defending side cant have more though.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oAzmoMmPov0