Trump's going to have to bail him out or he'll flip because he can't afford to keep fighting.
Does that mean the 100k/seat fund raising dinner was not that well attended?
I was planning to go but I was waxing my chain that night.
Rudy Juliani – Oh dear!
Is t that what the midwife and/or obstetrician said when he was born?
When is the second trump hosted fund raiser taking place and how much did the first generate?
Trial seems to be wrapping up. This is only to determine damages - he's already been found liable.
Maybe he can sell a few more pardons if Trump gets back in.
You know, I'm very happy to take the piss out of Giuliani, but that TV coverage is just shoddy and pandering. It's not good when journalists wheel out hacks just because they think the audience will enjoy their insults. Calling Giuliani a deadbeat etc is just a bit...grubby. it's like eating a bowl of whipped cream from a can. You enjoyed it in the moment but it leaves you feeling a bit shabby...
I mean, MSNBC is just mirror-inage Fox now
Another brick in the wall.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67723332
I wonder if he will ever pay a penny, or just use the Alex Jones delaying and obfuscation tactics. At what point does not paying court ordered compensation become an imprisonable offence.
Fingers crossed he has to pay up every penny. But only after he gets locked up for refusing first
Ouch!
Rudy Giuliani ordered to pay more than $148m over false election claims
It might seem like a lot of money, but the story of the women he maliciously and falsely accused is quite horrendous. IMO he without doubt put them in serious jeopardy of being murdered by the hate he promoted.
The damage, danger and fear created by the likes of him and Jones can be far worse than a physical attack, IMO there is a real weakness in the law that allows them to only be prosecuted through a civil case. His victims experienced genuine life altering persecution and feared for their lives over a prolonged period of time, he should be in prison for his actions.
Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
I have no problem with journos lining up to give rudy a kicking as it's fully deserved.
It's not as if he's done anything praiseworthy since 9/11.
He could have been one of the greats - but completely blew it.
He will not be remembered for his work as federal prosecutor for SDNY and his NYC mayoralty including 9/11.
As for the damages award, I cannot see him paying much unless he has multi millions stashed away which the prosecutors can find and access.
It's a very strong message and may cause trump to think long and hard - another brick and all that.
Hopefully, the threat of such punitive damages will stop some of the shit Trump and GOP have been peddling
Bit late as a deterrent - they've already peddled it. So it's just a matter of time until others that have been the victim of all this bring their own cases. There will be hundreds of people who could bring similar cases. Theres going to be cases like this going on for years.
Giuliani wasn't even a good mayor: he surfed the wave of an improving US economy, a fresh wave of immigration, and an aging population that reduced crime - none of that was his work. Broken windows policing started before him. He defrauded the city. His right hand mam Bernie Kerik was totally bent. He relentlessly and viciously defended the NYPD when they killed people for no good reason.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/09/26/was-rudy-giuliani-always-so-awful
Filing for bankruptcy...
BBC News - Rudy Giuliani files for bankruptcy after $148m defamation verdict
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67796546
US news saying it won't help much as the bankruptcy law will not protect him as his demise was willfull and not bad business.
Lots more court cases coming his way too
Apparently he has assets of $10 million and debts of $500 million.
How did he manage to dissipate all that unbelievable consulting money he made after 9/11? People were throwing money at him, even though he knew nothing about geopolitics and presided over the second greatest failure in geopolitical analysis.
How did he manage to dissipate all that unbelievable consulting money he made after 9/11?
Trump’s going to have to bail him out or he’ll flip because he can’t afford to keep fighting.
After Drumph stiffed a series of his own lawyers, baling out a loser like Giuliani really isn’t going to look good. Like he gives a shit, but anyway…
Yeah.. I can't see trump bailing Guilaiani out.. Even if he had the amount of liquid cash required to do so. Which I doubt.
The whole thing is a house of cards, and Trump has form for throwing people under the bus when they are no longer usefull.
You'd think Rudy would be well aware of that, maybe that's why he's gone for the bankrupt route, it's probably the path of least resistance for him, damage limitation, etc.
I'm starting to wonder if Rudy isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.
https://twitter.com/TheScottCharles/status/1791805672528523502
Kinda strange really as he was credited with taking down a lot of the New York mafia back in the day, which is a hell of a thing to have on your CV.
I guess it goes to show that nobody is incorruptible or can fall victim to thier own greed/ego.
Some court bailiff jumping out of the cake shouting "Surprise!"
Some court bailiff jumping out of the cake shouting “Surprise!”
And then, as the official leaves they took a slice of cake...
Kinda strange really as he was credited with taking down a lot of the New York mafia back in the day, which is a hell of a thing to have on your CV.
I guess it goes to show that nobody is incorruptible or can fall victim to thier own greed/ego.
Rudy was at the heart of the attempts to blackmail Ukraine. He knows some very dodgy Ukrainians and Russians. There is a theory that he aligned with the Eastern European / Russian crime gangs. They gave him a lot of the inside info he needed to make serious inroads into the "Italian" mafia in NY. Of course when the bosses are banged up and their crews in disarray, the Russian/Ukrainian/Eastern European mobsters move in. No evidence to back it up, but it is credible. And of course at much the same time the orange sh1tgibbon was financing all his deals through dodgy Eastern European banks controlled by much the same people.
Makes you think...
From the photo, it appears the Marshall sang happy birthday to dear Rudi, then gave him his papers.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/s/ij25cZxLP9
Video right before Giuliani is served. You can see the officer/server giggling while singing happy birthday because he knows what's going to happen next:
Do you want your country back? Yeahhhhhhhhhhh...!!!
They gave him a lot of the inside info he needed to make serious inroads into the “Italian” mafia in NY.
He was a lawyer, the FBI and NYPD did all the making inroads, getting the evidence and taking people out, he just presented other people’s work. A challenging role but he’s proved himself over the following years to be nothing special.
I don’t think anyone is immune from the Keith Harris effect, in fact it goes quite far to explain a lot of famous people’s behaviour.
You can see the officer/server giggling while singing happy birthday because he knows what’s going to happen next:
Man that is priceless, the grin on that man's face.
I don’t think anyone is immune from the Keith Harris effect,
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@maccruiskeen the poor man had immense trouble coping with his fame fading.
He was a lawyer, the FBI and NYPD did all the making inroads, getting the evidence and taking people out, he just presented other people’s work
Giuliani is a donkey, but that's not correct. The US system has much greater involvement by prosecutors in the investigative phase. The FBI is a structure within the US Dept of Justice - in which Giuliani was #3. Later as a US Attorney, Giuliani would have directed the FBI and other agencies in both the strategy and specifics of organised crime investigations. DAs/ADAs will even visit crime scenes on occasion.
It's not like the English system where the prosecutor merely takes a brief of evidence prepared by police and then decides whether and how to take it to court (which tbf is a simplification in itself).
Giuliani is a donkey, but that’s not correct
“This case used evidence gathered by the FBI against several organized crime figures, including the leaders of the New York City Mafia's Five Families. They were indicted under RICO and for extortion, labor racketeering and murder, among other charges.
Martin wrote in his New York Times op-ed that the idea to prosecute the heads of the mafia came from "the head of the criminal section of the F.B.I.'s New York office in a meeting with me and my staff approximately a year before Mr. Giuliani took office," he continued in his article. "By the time he was sworn in, the office was laying the groundwork for that case and had in place wiretaps on three of the five organized-crime families in New York City."
https://www.npr.org/2023/08/29/1195552571/rudy-giuliani-rico-origin-story
Sorry - I wasn't making a point about whether Giuliani "invented" RICO (which I am sure is nonsense) or brought the first RICO trial against organised criminals in NYC. Just responding to the suggestion that Giuliani was "just a lawyer". There were many years of investigations and prosecutions, and much as I dislike him it's not true that Giuliani was not involved in the investigating as well as the prosecuting.
RICO has been around for a long time it's the charge they used against Howard marks for weed snuggling
Giuliani has been around for a long time! He was number three in the DoJ 7 years before Marks was even extradited.
Howard Marks was an arsehole even if he could write well.
Marks was pulled in from La I think thou.
Wikipedia says 1970 for Rico it aways seam like a catch all law if they wanted to get someone for criminal act with no real evidence then reco was your tool.
Rudi is still a pig regardless.
Rudy coffee - I'm guessing this goes the way of Trump steaks.
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1792318516101595210
Why do rich Yanks of a certain age look terrible in suits?
Bankruptcy case dismissed, should stop Rudy trying to hide his assets.
https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1811837969143075123
Saw that. It won't change his behavioiur or that of his acolytes/facilitators.
How does that saying about the dildo of consequences go again?
Rudy Giuliani disbarred in D.C., months after disbarment in New York
I am quite surprised he hasn't turned on trump yet, I guess there must still be more money in keeping up the grift.
Does that mean he can no longer work as a lawyer?
Were they the only two places he was registered?
If so, then the grift will be turned up to 11!
Read a couple of things about this the other night- apparently it's fairly easy to transfer jurisdictions/take the bar/do the UBE for about 2/3ds of states if you're at least halfway competent, but there's a definite unofficial downwards order. So you go "well I am too corrupt/stupid for California, but I can always move to Missouri" and then once you fail in Missouri you can always go "well kids we're moving to Minnesota where they'll let any huckster practice law." But it's also really easy to get disbarred from a second place once it happens in one, and some jurisdictions simply say "if you've been disbarred elsewhere you can't register here". And again that has a similiar unofficial pecking order, everyone knows who they look up to and down on.
But DC is more significant because it's essentially "bottom-most respectable step", getting disbarred from there is almost a symbolic thing, for a normal non-celebrity lawyer it's the absolute end of your respectable career. Even in the lower jurisdictions you'll always be recognised as a schmuck.
I wonder how much Dementia Don’s outstanding bill for Juliani’s services stands at these days…?
I wonder how much Dementia Don’s outstanding bill for Juliani’s services stands at these days…?
It seems that entire circle is very busy suing each other as they need the money to pay for thier own individual convictions and out of court settlements.
Total scum, the lot of them.
Juliani's daughter has been quite a fierce critic of him and Trump for some time now. Not sure there's enough folk actually wavering to listen and understand what she is saying though.
I wonder how much Dementia Don’s outstanding bill for Juliani’s services stands at these days…?
Juliani worked for him for free.
Actually worked for free? Or for free as far as the tax man and regulators are concerned...?
No one works for free.. Especially hot shot lawyers. There must have been some brown envelops passed under the table or some sort of equivalent... Unless Rudi is totally stupid..?
I can't see him doing it just for 'the exposure' and adding trump to his CV...?
Giuliani didnt work for free by choice, just another of trumps gullible marks
Especially hot shot lawyers.
Giuliani wasn't a hot shot lawyer. Trump, as president, couldn't persuade any decent law firms to take him on as a client.
I thought a lot of the mafia take down was set in motion previously and he took the credit?
Giuliani wasn’t a hot shot lawyer. Trump, as president, couldn’t persuade any decent law firms to take him on as a client.
Well, there was one decent law firm but Trump didn't seem to notice they were there - they've done very well out if him, he hasn't done so well out of them. And unlike anyone else that has dealt with Trump they've walked away scot free. No indictments, not jail time, not bankruptcy, no national laughing stock, no hawking vitamin supplements - Those are the hot shots lawyers.
Its come to light in the new deposition from Jack Smith that Rudy asked a legislator in Michigan to assist in overturning the election results "So it need you to pass a joint resolution from the Mitchigan Legislature that states that the election is in dispute and that theres an ongoing investigation"
How did this come to light - some sort of wire tap? A mole within the Trump campaign? Someone being flipped by the FBI?
Or - Rudy just texting the wrong number 🙂
What's really quite funny is even within his own campaign, Rudy, Sydney Powel and co - the 'Legal Experts' that were driving the whole Stop the Steal thing were a laughing stock - Trump officials and aids had to mute zoom calls with them to mask their laughter and the group are referred to collectively in the document as 'The Star Wars Bar'
How did this come to light
The FBI searched computer and phone records so they have emails and text messages. Then they went through the list of co-conspirators and pointed out that they would be treated much more leniently if they told the truth and testified against the ones higher up the chain. The FBI have dozens of witnesses who will testify about the relevant conversations. The irony is that they are using the same playbook that was used to take down the mob when Rudy was a prosecutor.
How did this come to light
The FBI searched computer and phone records so they have emails and text messages.
Or in this case as above - Rudy saved them the trouble and just texted details of the scheme to the wrong number
Now Rudy is asking the court to not try to collect his $2m unpaid legal fees from Trump to help pay off his damages bill against the election workers. He knows that the only way out of the mess he's got himself into is to suck up to Trump and hope that Trump win the election.
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1843757365264560428
He knows that the only way out of the mess he’s got himself into is to suck up to Trump and hope that Trump win the election.
A presiden can pardon crimes and commute sentences... But a pardon doesn't overturn any awards for damages to victims - there was still a crime and a victim whether a pardon is issued or not - accepting a pardon is effectively an admission of guilt (you are free to reject a pardon if your are innocent of the crime in question) so it reinforces the award for damages to the victims, Trump can't get Julliani off that particular hook
Reposting from the other thread
Jesus Christ, they're even allowed to take his TV.
Additionally, the judge ordered that Giuliani turn over his television
Surely that must be specifically intended to humiliate him.
Jesus Christ, they’re even allowed to take his TV.
It definitely won't have the Pornhub logo burnt into the screen im sure. 😉
Surely that must be specifically intended to humiliate him.
I agree that the "including his TV" part is a weird inclusion. Maybe it's particularly valuable? I assume there is just a "everything worth over $x" ruling and is based on the insured value?
In addition to the Trump campaign fees and the New York apartment, Giuliani must also turn over a collection of several watches, including ones given to him by European presidents after the September 11, 2001, attacks; a signed Joe DiMaggio jersey and other sports memorabilia; and a 1980 Mercedes once owned by the Hollywood star Lauren Bacall. Additionally, the judge ordered that Giuliani turn over his television, items of furniture and jewelry.
Either way, I LOVE IT. This is the same end I wish for Trump..... ruined and humiliated.
I agree that the “including his TV” part is a weird inclusion. Maybe it’s particularly valuable?
Yeah I guess it's a bit like court bailifs in this county where they can take anything that's of auctionable value, but not essentials like fridges or wherever.
A big top of the of the range OLED can easily be worth a couple of grand...so would be fair game.
Makes for a good news story though "and they even took his telly!"
He must be praying so desperately for Trump to get back in and make this go away (assuming Dementia Don hasnt forgotten who he is)
Question:
If someone is declared bankrupt, all their assets belong to the creditors.
So what happens to unpaid credit / invoices? If Juliani goes bankrupt do his creditors get to go after Trump directly, or does all outstanding money owed to him disappear as well as the money he owes?
If Juliani goes bankrupt do his creditors get to go after Trump directly,
The administrators have already started going after money that Trump owes to Giuliani for legal fees. As I understand it, anyone who owes money to Rudy now owes it to the court appointed administrators, who will then use it to pay the victims and any other creditors.
There was a line in the BBC report that suggested the victims had "won" the money Trump owed him, but I couldn't quite follow it properly.
There can also be an attachment to future earnings.
Remember when Neil Hamilton suddenly started appearing everywhere joined at the hip to his wife. Anything he earned was fair game to his creditors but her earnings werent subject to the same conditions so to get Neil you had to book Christine and he'd just happen to turn up. Gulianni split with his (3rd) wife a few years ago though
He must be praying so desperately for Trump to get back in and make this go away (assuming Dementia Don hasnt forgotten who he is)
Trump, or any president, can't make this particular issue go away. You can pardon someones conviction but that pardon doesnt un-victim victims - any awards made by courts to victims still stand.
