Looks like you might have to have some principles to be a lawyer after all - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57597551
(I would have added this to the Trump thread but there seems to be a problem with the forum only showing the current page of threads)
Was about to put this on the Trump thread myself - needs shouting about from the rooftops.
Be interested to see how it's being reported and received in the US
This is unprecedented as we believe that our client does not pose a present danger to the public interest. We believe that once the issues are fully explored at a hearing Mr Giuliani will be reinstated as a valued member of the legal profession that he has served so well in his many capacities for so many years.
Funny.
Brilliant. What a piece of ****
He's a nutjob...
I'm sure, like Trump, he will be reinstated in August.
Here’s your best bits....
What does trump think about Giuliani's treatment?
Former President Trump on Thursday slammed the decision by a New York court to suspend his former personal attorney Rudy Giuliani's license to practice law in the state, calling the former mayor "the Eliot Ness of his generation."
The Appellate Division of the New York Supreme Court announced earlier in the day that it is shelving Giuliani’s New York law license, after concluding that he made “demonstrably false and misleading statements” when he was representing Trump and his campaign in their failed attempt to overturn the 2020 election results.
The court wrote that the seriousness of Giuliani’s “uncontroverted misconduct cannot be overstated.”
Trump, in a statement hours later, likened Giuliani to Ness, one of law enforcement’s most acclaimed federal agents whose group the Untouchables is credited with busting the illicit operations of Prohibition-era gangster Al Capone.
“The greatest Mayor in the history of New York City, the Eliot Ness of his generation, one of the greatest crime fighters our Country has ever known, and this is what the Radical Left does to him,” Trump wrote.
Trump denounced the court’s decision while again calling into question the results of the November election, even though a slew of courts, state governments and even former Trump administration officials have determined the vote was fair and free of widespread fraud.
“Can you believe that New York wants to strip Rudy Giuliani, a great American Patriot, of his law license because he has been fighting what has already been proven to be a Fraudulent Election?” Trump asked.
Those unsubstantiated claims of election fraud, however, are what caused the New York court to suspend Giuliani’s license.
“These false statements were made to improperly bolster respondent’s narrative that due to widespread voter fraud, victory in the 2020 United States presidential election was stolen from his client. We conclude that respondent’s conduct immediately threatens the public interest and warrants interim suspension from the practice of law,” the court wrote.
Giuliani, in the days and weeks following last year's vote, was one of the attorneys overseeing Trump’s legal challenges to the electoral results in a number of states. He repeatedly made claims that the election was stolen and muddied by fraud, despite the lack of corroborating evidence.
The court also cited the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol in the license suspension, writing that his false statements are “corrosive” to the public’s trust in elections.
It said Giuliani’s misconduct “directly inflamed tensions that bubbled over into the events of January 6, 2021 in this nation’s Capitol.”
“One only has to look at the ongoing present public discord over the 2020 election, which erupted into violence, insurrection and death on January 6, 2021 at the U.S. Capitol, to understand the extent of the damage that can be done when the public is misled by false information about the elections,” the court wrote.
Giuliani reportedly claimed that there was “no causal nexus” that linked his conduct to the Jan. 6 riots.
The court, however, contended that it does not have to illustrate a direct connection between the two to “understand that the falsehoods themselves cause harm," concluding that the insurrection showed the negative influence false statements can have on public trust in elections.
“This event only emphasizes the larger point that the broad dissemination of false statements, casting doubt on the legitimacy of thousands of validly cast votes, is corrosive to the public’s trust in our most important democratic institutions,” the court wrote.
“the Eliot Ness of his generation.”
Didn't the guy who the lawman was after get taken down because of his loose view of paying taxes?
Maybe not a good idea to liken him to Elliot Ness and more like the guy in white who goes off a roof
(although he had more hair)
He may have been a craven bootlicker happy to undermine the very fabric of American democracy in return for pats on the head from a ronsealed psychopath but...
He did give us the Four Seasons Total Landscaping incident and for that slice of absurdist comedy perfection I remain forever in his debt.
Sufficient time has now passed that I do wonder if Trump and his clingon clagnuts was actually a dream.
We are still living the equivalent in the UK 😩
We are still living the equivalent in the UK 😩
Does that mean Cummings will be farting while holding a press conference in a Liverpool scrapyard next month?
Does that mean Cummings will be farting while holding a press conference in a Liverpool scrapyard next month?
be more dignified than what's been going on so far.
Wow I am Impressed they have raised this much so quickly for the Rudy defense fund.
Dont forget the Borat Movie incident....
Wow I am Impressed they have raised this much so quickly for the Rudy defense fund.
Is that some sort of joke? Giuliani was charging Trump more than that per hour, or at least attempting to.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/us/politics/giuliani-trump-election-pay.html
Trump famously too tight to pay anyone
Rudy may be in trouble
Unfortunately that tweet has helped boost the fund, 97 donors and $9500 dollars, which means about $100 dollars, (£72) per person! US political funding is really weird, I can't ever see myself bunging that kind of cash to a rich person for political reasons, however much I believed in their cause.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-6560613 1">Oh Rudy (again)...
Vlad, your link isn’t loading on Firefox. I’ll try again tomorrow.
I don't know quite what the legal definitions would be, but her accusations sound like a lot more than just harassment to me.
Donald Trump's former lawyer Rudy Giuliani is being sued for sexual harassment by an ex-employee.
The $10m (£8m) civil case claims he coerced her into sex acts, making her work naked, and launched into "alcohol-drenched" and racist rants at work.
It claims he frequently exposed himself, took Viagra "constantly" and told Noelle Dunphy satisfying his sexual demands was a job requirement.
Mr Giuliani "vehemently" denied the allegations though a spokesperson.
I mean...... thats not going to be able to be dismissed as "locker room bantz" is it?
Rudy is d o n e obviously, real question is how much this damages the Donald by association. I'd guess not much.
took Viagra “constantly”
Trump snorting Adderall, Rudy banging little blue pills...They're busy boys
Also in the lawsuit, Trump selling presidential pardons for $2m with Juliani sharing the money.
nominative determinism?
nominative determinism?
That made me wonder what "Guliani" could possibly mean (after I googled it coz I don't speak Latin) This is what I came up with :
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=giuliani
So it turns out that it has a connection with the bodily function of farting. Which is weird as the former US president's name also has.
Trump selling presidential pardons for $2m with Juliani sharing the money.
This is obviously bullshit. When has Trump ever offered to share anything?
I missed that Eminem video first time round. It is wonderful.
Its all getting very confusing. OR maybe thats how they intend it to go. Nobody will be able to make any sense of it all. We'll have unsubstantiated statements and theories, no real evidence, or evidence that could be true if there was evidence of the evidence. But call me a cynic, but I really don't see Trump ending up in jail, jail is for the little people.
Or maybe Trumps lawyers will drag this out and Trump will go for a presidential win, so he can pardon himself.
Rudy is d o n e obviously, real question is how much this damages the Donald by association. I’d guess not much.
That’s a trick question, obviously.
Oh dear indeed.
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1686771985706024960
The consensus seems to be that Rudy is not one of those indicted in the most recent (!) set of charges. Given that he was obviously knee-deep in the post-election plot, does that mean that he has flipped, is testifying against Trump, and the filing of this audio tape is the payback?
Timing seems a bit sus, although Trump gets indicted every other week so perhaps not.
Given that he was obviously knee-deep in the post-election plot, does that mean that he has flipped, is testifying against Trump, and the filing of this audio tape is the payback?
From that transcript, he is not *knee* deep....
Oh dear indeed.
Stomach churning is the only way I can put it. In fact, wish I hadn't read that 🙁
The consensus seems to be that Rudy is not one of those indicted in the most recent (!) set of charges.
If you're talking about the Conspiracy to Defraud the US, Conspiracy to Interfere Civil Rights etc charges (it's hard to keep track), then the co-conspirators have not been indicted. Various podcasts suggests this has been to keep the prosecution of Trump as simple as possible so that the timeline is delayed as little as possible...but also perhaps to pressure the other conspirators (like Giuliani) to testify against Trump. Still well within the statute of limitations for the others to be charged.
Yes, ironically, Giuliani made his reputation prosecuting mob bosses. The strategy there is to start at the bottom and try to get someone to flip. Then you move up the chain, trying to get people to flip until everyone realizes that they're doomed and a deal is a better option than resisting. I'm pretty sure that's what they're trying with Trump's crew - letting them sweat until someone flips.
What a truly disgusting little man! 🤮
It's hard to believe that 20 15 years ago, Rudy was seriously considered a strong presidential candidate.
https://twitter.com/Schwartzesque/status/1692140823377232244
Well, he's just turned himself in...yay!
Edit: and so has Sidney Powell
I wish that meant something but...it doesn't as he had no viable alternative.
Innocent until proven guilty and all that.
Oof. Sidney Powell too? Oh well.
And jenna ellis.
Here is the full lineup so far.
https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1694471387757310394
Jenna looks like she is quite enjoying herself, the others not so much, must say I was hoping to see the height board behind them and holding numbered cards in front of them.
Dude in the bottom left looks seriously annoyed about all this, almost like he was interrupted whilst eating his favourite dinner and it is now getting cold...
The bottom three, without a doubt, spent their childhoods torturing small animals.
I hear Sidney Powell is being charged with failure to control a dangerous animal in a public place. 🦑
Here is the full lineup so far.
I feel nostalgic for Panini Albums
So many people who are facing ruin for a man who, literally, would walk past them if they were on fire. He is emotionally incapable of loyalty, or even caring. Yet they throw themselves under the bus.
They should all wake up, realise that, and flip to save their own backs.
Jenna doesn't quite understand whats going on here, does she?
Looks like David Shafer doesn't either...
She already flipped for a peaceful life in a faraway place 🏝️
It looks like a US remake of a Tory sitcom; Kenneth Chesebro is the Rees-Mogg character.
They should all wake up, realise that, and flip to save their own backs.
It's almost certain that several people have already said that to them, but that they are so deeply into the mire, they either can't accept it, or do not want to. It's also possible that the Federal Attorny has enough evidence to convict that they do not need them to flip. That would be hilarious, offering to spill the beans, but being told "no thanks, not needed, you're going down" instead.
I expect some of them to flip once the enormity of what they are facing sinks in
She already flipped for a peaceful life in a faraway place 🏝️
I retract that. I know it’s Wikipedia but if only a bit of it’s true she’s smiling cos she’s ****ing mental - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenna_Ellis
It looks like a US remake of a Tory sitcom; Kenneth Chesebro is the Rees-Mogg character
More reminiscent of "The Shady Bunch" to me
Is it terrible that I really like his flat listing? Of course there is stuff I would change but it is a lovely pad.
almost like he was interrupted whilst eating his favourite dinner
A meal? A succulent Chinese meal?
😂 What is the charge? Eating a meal?
Just in...court has decided that rudy is liable in defamation case brought by two election workers in Georgia and the case will go to trial.
Possibility that costs and damages could be chunky.
Everything that goes against him IMO increases the likelihood of him flipping against trump but...that could be nothing more than my wishful thinking!
He’s been found guilty - the trial is merely to determine damages 👍
Yes, my error - thanks for the correction.
Hundreds of $'000 - even millions!
On a different subject but still trump related, peter navarro, his former trade envoy is getting a really hard time in court for ignoring subpoenas.
Interesting that trump has declined to testify in support of navarro or to corroborate his claims.
Slowly, but surely, they're all finding that trump has absolutely no interest in them; they were expendable foot soldiers.
Just in…court has decided that rudy is liable in defamation case brought by two election workers in Georgia and the case will go to trial.
They just don't seem to understand the legal difference between the first amendment and defamation. Long may it continue.
That needs a Mark Lamarr commentary like he used to do on Buzzcocks when identifying the star from a line-up.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/30/rudy-giuliani-liable-damages-election-2020
Judge has ruled against him in the case of defamation brought against him by the two election workers.
Glad that they've finally been vindicated, although it sounds like their lives have been wrecked by Giuliani's cowardly actions.
From The Guardian link
Giuliani failed to produce records during the discovery process while making “excuses” to shroud his noncompliance
But there's more to it than that:
“Perhaps he has made the calculation that his overall litigation risks are minimized by not complying with his discovery obligations in this case,” Judge Beryl Howell of the US District Court in Washington, DC, wrote Wednesday. “Whatever the reason, obligations are case specific and withholding required discovery in this case has consequences.”
