Anyone got one or had one?
Man, I'm developing a bad hankering for one.
I've been following Itchy Boots on YouTube and she's ridden hers all over the world, as have many other riders.
I've always had 'Street' bikes, barring an old DT175 I had back in the day and at the moment I've got a nice Gsx750 Inazuma from 2000 and it really is a great bike. Always goes and it's cheapish fun.
It's always been my intention to customise it, building one off bodywork etc, but the reality is, I like playing out too much to get around to it(don't have a garage either)
However, every time I'm out on it, I start looking longingly at the rolling hills, dirt tracks and trails going off and feel like I'm just rolling along stuck in traffic. I hate being confined to roads.
It makes me appreciate my MTB more as what I like the most about mtb is the ability to get away from roads and cars and into the countryside.
I have a big birthday coming up 😭 but hey, that's an excuse to buy something you don't really need right?
I have considered selling my ebike to fund it as I just don't ride it enough over riding my hardtail neeb, but I guess that would close off a lot of great riding with good friends on eebs, so I would have to sell the Gsx.
The Gsx is about 85bhp and the Himalayan is only 24bhp.
750cc over 411cc. Would I totally miss that!?
Completely different bike I know and the Himalayan isn't really comparable in that way but I wonder if the enjoyable bimbling nature and potential to do some mellow off road would trump that lovely power when twisting the throttle on the Gsx... 🤔
I know that there is very little off road potential in the UK for motorbikes but there are a few unclassified roads here and there plus the ability to load up and tour a bit really appeals.
The Gsx is terrible in that respect. I get massively uncomfortable after about 30 minutes and of course it's NOT an off road bike. The Himalayan looks like it would be much better in that respect.
Anyway, excuse the rambling. Someone please tell me the Himalayan is a terrible bike and a terrible idea!
Anyway, someone please tell me the Himalayan is a terrible bike and a terrible idea!
One went past me the other day and it certainly looked very nice. What was Noraly’s conclusion, looks like she had a couple of them. Power to weight would be my concern, 24bhp is going to struggle pulling a rider and luggage around I would have thought. I’d certainly book a test ride before anything else.
24bhp is going to struggle pulling a rider and luggage around I would have thought
Yeah, I suppose you have to add context to that. Lower power for little lanes, green lanes, singletrack roads etc might not feel so weedy. It's the motorway to get to that from middle England which I guess might suck a little. 😊
I like bimbling though. Not bothered about barreling along at 80-90.
I used to have a Z900 and at the same time, a Vespa PK50, and the vespa was ridiculously slow in comparison, but I actually really enjoyed riding it.
Bloke down the road from me has one painted military style. Says it is the slowest and most fun bike he's had. I see him going round twos up, so it's not completely feeble.
Big itchy boots fan. They look great and perfect for overlanding. Low tech too, so easier to get repaired in out of the way places or DIY. One up, mainly on dirt tracks pootling slowly, I think it would be great.
Have a look at a YouTuber called Wiltshire man who has (or had) a Himalayan and does a lot of UK touring on it - NC500 etc.
Personally I wouldn't have one as a main bike, as I do mainly road miles in UK with the very occasional dirt track foray. My Tiger 900GT is perfect for that and for European 2 up tours (off to northern Spain with Mrs Bloke in a few weeks). I think the Himalayan would be a bit underpowered to do that comfortably.
For your use case it might be great, as above get a test ride!
I considered one, but decided that it's just a bit too weedy, whilst not being particularly light. I ended up going for a NC750X.
If I was wanting to do as you describe, I'd be following the Itchyboots lead and getting a CRF300. That seems like a better choice by every metric.
My BiL had a Royal Enfield.
He rode it less than 10 times and sold it.
He described it as hugely underwhelming and was left wondering why he bought it.
Yeah, the CR-F300L is a better choice. Much more capable & refined everywhere than the Himalayan.
I had an RE500 in India many moons ago. It made sense there, not so much here.
Yeah, the CR-F300L is a better choice. Much more capable & refined
I like fatbikes and rigid steel bikes so refined isn't always at the top of my list 😂
I think Harold might have other ideas?
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Didn't Itchy Boots swap to Honda's after having to leave her Himalayan somewhere due to the pandemic?
Peru I think? That was her second Himalayan before switching to Hondas.
People who own Himalayans (including Norally) are keen to pronounce it 'Him-arl-ee-an' not 'Him-a-lay-an'.
The former being how Indians and Nepalese say it apparently. The rest of us have been saying it wrong forever!
Oooh a major birthday motorbike purchase. Nice.
The Himalayan oozes character and looks the business. But 24hp, that’s not far off what I had on my Kawasaki ar125 once I’d deresticteed it back in 1988 (after passing my test). No way would I even consider that now, unless you are moving to deepest darkest Peru and never going near tarmac ever again. If you are, then a cub 90 is probably a better bet.
I’ve had quite a few Hondas and they have all been absolutely brilliant and faultless. So CRF300 rally all day long. Years ago I had the 750 Africa twin and then the yam tenere 750, both of which I absolutely loved, but I think the CRF300 looks much better than either of those, that’s a great looking bike. Nothing like the Himalayan though.
If you are after the classic look rally adventure bike, scratch that itch for a year as nothing else will do, then buy the Honda.
https://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/range/adventure/crf300-rally/overview.html
Edit: just saw you’re riding a suzi GSX, they are bombproof and really lovely motors, used to commute into central London on a gsxf, which IIRC was using a detuned gsxr motor - really nice.
I think Harold might have other ideas
😂
Me too!
just saw you’re riding a suzi GSX, they are bombproof and really lovely motors, used to commute into central London on a gsxf,
I had that before actually. A 1982 gsx400f 👌
Guy at work has one, swapped from a bonneville, seems to like it. IMHO if you want a RE a Honda isn’t going to scratch that itch being somewhat more refined etc, so get the Himalaya then! (TBF I do ride some fairly less common bikes 2 Honda cubs, a 883 sportster and a bantam so a little biased).
Review here:
https://www.adventurebikerider.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=51937&start=10
A mate was a test rider for RE. Wasn’t impressed! Underpowered & crap quality apparently 🤷♂️.
I live right next to a Royal Enfield dealer and the bikes look great in the flesh so I've spent lots of time considering them. I prefer the Scram to the Himalayan I think.
If you can get to Manhattan Motorcycles in Sheffield they've got a fleet of demo bikes available at short notice.
I'd much prefer the CRF 300 Really though.
I’ve not got one, but I have a meteor with a similar engine and build quality as me anything.
There’s a new one on the way though allegedly 40hp and water cooling.
Saw some up close at a show last summer.
I thought they looked dull,agricultural and roughly finished.
As if some sixth formers had had a go at a design project, and ran out of time.
😉🤣🙃
Saw some up close at a show last summer.
I thought they looked dull,agricultural and roughly finished.
I think that's what I like about them. 😊
Really not a fan of virtually any modern bikes I can think of.
Not keen on that Honda 300 mentioned above, though I'm sure it's a fantastic riding bike.
Most modern bikes look like they're all designed in some Cad program with angled bits everywhere looking like transformer wasps, everything fitting together like Tetris and no gaps.
I love the look of that Himalayan up there.
It looks like a motorcycle.
Very utilitarian and pared back.
No rider modes or any of that carp (though it does have ABS I believe).
Just an engine, a seat and 2 wheels.
👌
People do customs too
I think ABS is a legal requirement in UK and Europe now. I bet the Indian market REs don't have it. Hell, they probably have drum brakes and pop out flag indicators!
I get what you mean about an honest, pared back, functional motorcycle though. One that can be fixed by a village blacksmith in Tibet or the Mekong delta!
That custom up there is exactly the sort of nonsense I've been into over the past few decades.
Great as long as you never see rain, want to carry anything or need some of the basic functions of a bike.
I've had a big naked retro, raucous supermoto, quirky little sports bike, ancient classics , a lovely rumbly Ducati. They all looked and sounded great, but did hundreds rather than thousands of miles a year, simply because they were all honestly a bit shite and not much fun to ride.
Now, I have a boring commuter bike and it's by far the most fun bike I've had, paradoxically. My riding confidence has markedly improved since getting it, and I'd happily jump on and ride hundreds of miles safe in the knowledge I'll be comfy, sipping fuel and extremely unlikely to break down.
Having my bits and bobs easily at hand in the frunk is an added bonus which I'd now hate to give up.
People complaining about the finish and build quality on a Royal Enfield need to be fair and compare them to similarly priced bikes. The Chinese stuff from the likes of Mutt isn't in the same league really. I really wanted a Mutt until a few mates bought them and I realised that they're the motorcycle equivalent of a Halfords BSO.
There's nothing else this good in the price range with similar running costs. Double your money and it's easy to scoff at the underpowered Indian.
I know the CRF300 isn't really comparable to a retro, throwback bike but it would be much more suitable for the kind of riding I'd like to do. That's what's stopped me from popping around the corner and buying a Meteor or a Scram.
What I really, really want is a Ducati Desert Sled but the cost of entry is a bit high for a first bike. I'll probably start smaller.
Id sooner a CRF300, the crf250l has been around 10 years or so, so mechanics know how it works and honda parts easy to come by.
In thailand its been one of the few dual purpose machines that are legally available, so there must be lots of accessories to beef them up for the jungle.
id be looking for a kawasaki klx450, or suchlike, dont know if theyre available here or prices
Double your money and it’s easy to scoff at the underpowered Indian.
This - I was going to suggest a CCM as a friend has one and it's a beautiful bike but then I checked the prices and it's over double a RE.
There's a really good Himalayan and Scram Facebook group.
I like that it's the sort of characterful bike that has meets and stuff 😊
id be looking for a kawasaki klx450, or suchlike, dont know if theyre available here or prices
Don't think you can get them in the UK. None for sale and no UK reviews available.
@kayak23 have you considered a triumph scrambler ? Loads of custom options, IIRC you can get a model with spoked wheels, character classic looking naked bike
@kayak23 have you considered a triumph scrambler ?
Kind of, but discount any of them on price.
I'm generally pretty skint and the thing I liked about the Himalayan was its relatively low price.
It seems crazy that you can get a brand new Himalayan for less than I bought an eeb for. I'm looking at used bikes, not brand new.
I also think those types of bikes are probably maybe less capable off road. More a street bike with chunky tyres.
They're maybe more of a look, thing (although I know they do get ridden off road)
Ah yes, price 5k new, lots less second hand and plenty hardly used to choose from.
Even brand new the Himalayan is good value compared to an eMtb, esp the top spec ones like the Spesh s-works models, crazy. How did that happen?
@kayak23 have you considered a triumph scrambler ? Loads of custom options, IIRC you can get a model with spoked wheels, character classic looking naked bike
you mean like mine. 😉
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Love it 👍
It's lovely that Triumph Scrambler, but to be fair, if I put a high exhaust and chunky tyres on my GSX it wouldn't be that far off.
It's still a pretty chunky and low-slung bike with fairly short travel.
Nice, but a different kettle.
Whatever bike I get would have a rack like this ideally...
Going to test ride one today so we'll see if it puts me off it.
I know it'll be slow, but whether that'll matter much to me is yet to be seen. 😊
There was talk of it having the 650 engine which might be worth waiting for?
If I was wanting to do as you describe, I’d be following the Itchyboots lead and getting a CRF300. That seems like a better choice by every metric.
They're basically the same power, just the RE does it at half the RPM, which is no bad thing. The Himalayan is carrying an extra 50kg though.
Objectively neither looks like a good bike. Just that the Himalayan set's it's expectation lower (it's a utilitarian bike for riding on unsealed roads), whereas the CRF is playing dressup as an enduro/rally bike, even compared to a WR250R the Yamaha has 20kg less weight and 50% more power (and that's not comparing it against real CRF/WRF's).
There was talk of it having the 650 engine which might be worth waiting for?
Been rumored for a while. I'm not sure it'll happen, the 650 would be a big, wide, easily damaged, engine to try and engineer into a frame. And still only makes ~43Hp. There's a 450cc/40Hp single in the works though which could make it a better long legged adventure bike with enough grunt for the hills.
I think CTXP on the Revzilla YouTube channel did a comparison/evaluation of the Himalaya last year, taking it up/over/through some decent terrain. I _think_ they said it was ok, but a bit underpowered for the weight, but don't quote me on that.
Edit: found it
My only issue with the Royal Enfields is when you need to try and overtake anything. The meteor has 20bhp Vs 24 for the Himalayan and for general riding it’s enough, I’d say it’s as quick as my Kuga up to 70mph.
But if someone is doing 50 in a 60 and you’re running late, you need a bit old gap in the oncoming traffic to get past.
Other than that it’s very good, even on the motorway it’ll happily sit at 70ish for hours.
Well, I won't lie, that was proper good fun!
Went off for a razz around some Derbyshire lanes for an hour or so.
It had an aftermarket pipe on that sounded amazing.
It honestly didn't feel slow. It felt plenty for singletrack lanes and I even managed to blast down some rough gravel farm tracks and get properly lost down tiny lanes with grass in the middle.
Man, I loved it! 😊
I think I might have to get one.
I rode my 750 to the dealership to get a direct comparison and,... there isn't really a comparison. Apples and oranges.
But the Enfield just put a massive grin on my face. The low down grunt is fantastic for just getting yourself going enough and I found it a really pleasing, non-aggressive power.
Granted, on a motorway and overtaking it'll not be the best, but for what it's meant for I reckon it's rad.
The demo bike I tried had 1k on the clock and they said they'd take 4k for it.
Still a bit much for me. I think I'm looking around the 3k mark.
The front brake was pretty rubbish but I really gelled with everything else.
My GSX felt blummin weird when I got back on it to go home!
sounds like a deal is on the cards. 😉
Where about are you? Wigan motorcycles are advertising brand new ones for £4295. Not sure what difference an aftermarket pipe would make either, all of the singles sound pretty decent stock to me (but I do have beef with aftermarket exhausts in general) so I wouldn’t want to pay more. Depends on whether not having to follow the running in schedule is worth more than having a brand new bike. It might be, because of how slow the bikes are the recommended speeds are tedious.
New bike day! 😊
Got a really good deal on this Euro 5 2022 bike from down south and went to get it yesterday.
The orange hand guards are going but otherwise it's got most of what I'd like, such as pannier racks.
I need to swap the seat for the original too as the bloke I bought it off was fairly tall and I'm more economically proportioned, and it has a taller padded seat.
I can touch the ground fine but not flat footed, and I'd like it as low as it can be for riding off road.
It's slow compared to my GSX, but of course it is. Good fun on the little unclassified road I popped down last night before an epic and unexpected storm stopped play.
More exploring to come! 😊
Well done for following through kayak 😉
After my comment about it being dull and agricultural,I went away with my son ( he has just passed his test)last weekend and it turns out that him and his mates had taken some Himalayans out for a test ride.He was raving about it,so what do I know 😆 🤣 😂
Have lots of fun,but seriously think about getting rid of the tank bars.....they are an abomination 😆 🤣
New bike day is always a good day! Enjoy!
Never come in the Chat forum, then I find this 🤯 🤣
I’m having an existential cycling crisis so just bought a 2022 Pine Green Himmy 😎
So glad to hear what you’ve said about it @kayak23
I’ve bought a set of panniers, a top box, hand guards and some TKC80’s for it too and it still came in cheaper than a new Scram OTR with panniers if…..
…you take into account that you have to take it almost straight back for its £260, 300 mile service that they wouldn’t discount.
This was on 2850 miles so I made them bung in the 3000 mile service to make sure I don’t have to do anything else this year.
Looking forward to hearing how you get on with it.
And yes- I’d love a 2x2 cycles rack for it 🤩
After my comment about it being dull and agricultural,I went away with my son ( he has just passed his test)last weekend and it turns out that him and his mates had taken some Himalayans out for a test ride.He was raving about it,so what do I know 😆 🤣 😂
Have lots of fun,but seriously think about getting rid of the tank bars…..they are an abomination
There's nothing dull about it in the right context. I'm sure 5 hours on a motorway might get a bit dull but on the lanes and unclassified roads it's a hoot and makes total sense.
I went down a local to me 'green lane' on it last night. It was hilarious chugging away in 1st, letting the idle drive you and really difficult in heavily 4x4 rutted muddy troughs. Great fun.
Sounds like your son gets it. 😊
The tank bars are fairly essential, providing crash protection off road, and also luggage options on tour. I actually love them and their quirkiness. It's got character this bike and all that stuff adds to it.
This was on 2850 miles so I made them bung in the 3000 mile service to make sure I don’t have to do anything else this year.
Looking forward to hearing how you get on with it.
Mines not even done 2k miles yet! I need to get it moving! 😊
🤣👍🏻 Won’t take long. I’m just waiting for them to get the service done on mine and bring it over. Hopefully this week 🤞🏻
That looks fun. I was about to go shopping for a Scram or Himalayan as there's a good selection available in Sheffield at the minute. I was arranging my finances when we were burgled last week.
Now I need to spend all my money on a garage door and it's dampened my appetite for having anything nice.
Maybe next year.
Tell me about it. I don't know if you saw my other thread but last week was a bit dramatic, then depressing. Mostly depressing.
On a lighter note, I was planning to test ride both of these used bikes and then buy whichever one I preferred.
I haven't ridden a bike since I passed my test so I'm itching to get out there. Especially in this weather.
I like the look of the Scram, but it basically seems like it's a Himalayan with bits taken off.
It does have a smaller front wheel I believe.
People still ride them off road I think.
Yeah, that was part of the decision for me. The Himmy comes with a centre stand, tacho and a screen- all pluses.
I will also do some off roading so will hopefully appreciate the bigger wheel too.
Even brand new the Himalayan is good value compared to an eMtb, esp the top spec ones like the Spesh s-works models, crazy. How did that happen?
Not everyone’s got a bike licence 🙂 and no tax,no insurance or MOT and no helmet requirement.
You can also ride it everywhere.
That sucks @sharkattack
cracking looking bike that @kayak23, as you say great fun in the right context, I can see it being a lot of fun. Enjoy, nice to see something a bit different too.
Those orange hand guards look wrong, like they’ve been lifted straight from a ktm & thrown on.
I like the look of the Scram, but it basically seems like it’s a Himalayan with bits taken off.
That's exactly what it is. Smaller front wheel, shorter travel, no metal pokey-out bits. Comes in about 15kg lighter.
I much prefer the look of the Scram but for what I have planned I think the Himalayan is the sensible choice. I'd definitely be strapping bags and a tent to it at some point.
I want to buy a white one even though it's my least favourite colour. There's a company in York that does hydro dipping and I fancy a real-tree camo job.
Like this...
I’m having an existential cycling crisis so just bought a 2022 Pine Green Himmy
Excellent!! We will be able to go for a ride and I will be quicker than you on the flat....unless I breakdown of course!!!
Oooo what have you got?
I do like that realtree seat pattern but I reckon it would clash with my jungle-esque paint job 🤣
They're not seats, they're just models with example graphics on. I was planning (well, daydreaming) to have all the metal work done. So the mudguards, fuel tank, hand guards, maybe a few other bits.
If you start with a white bike you can just rub it down and have it dipped without an expensive base coat.
Oh I see 🤣🤣 Wow nice 😎 That would be ace 👍🏻
Oooo what have you got?
😎 That’s smart. I think I’d beat you round your Saturday gravel loop mind you 😉 🤣
Those orange hand guards look wrong, like they’ve been lifted straight from a ktm & thrown on
Gone already!
Also, I found someone on the Himalayan Facebook group up the road who wanted to swap my tall seat with his standard seat, so foot flat on the ground now 😊
Chuffed for you @Kayak23, nothing beats new bike day! 🙂
A very good mate of mine has had two - first was an ex demonstrator which was fine for a year, then developed some kind of engine issue that they just couldn't fix - but they did, eventually give him a brand new one, after he'd been using another demo one for 6 months.
It's his daily - commutes to work in all conditions, about a 40 mile round trip. Country lanes then through the town - i.e. nothing fast. He does take it up country every couple of months to go see his family, and as a few have said, it's happy at 70 but struggles with much more.
I've helped with a few service jobs on it, and yeah, they're a bit rough - but also seem reasonably tough. Did the headset bearings though - they were a pig to get out, especially the one pressed onto the lower crown - and they were pretty terrible bearings. But the replacement ones were much better quality.
Cheap, reasonable burly, passably built. They are pretty much their money. Don't expect it to to be a BMW, Tenere, etc - it isn't. You want something 'better' you'll have to pay for it.
@kayak23, can you post some more pics please? Also, does yours have an aftermarket ‘can’ like the demo bike or standard exhaust?
I had a 660 Tenere and an 1150gs as my last two bikes so I’m hoping the little Himmy is going to be the bike they weren’t.
My first ever ride on a big bike was an XT600. If this is remotely like that then my nostalgia should be happy 😀
My luggage and hand guards arrived this morning, just need something to hang them on 🤣
Bunked off work for a bit today and put together my first little 'green lane' route in the Cotswolds.
There's some lovely gravel tracks around there, most of which I've been down already on the MTB, but they're a different kettle on this!
I didn't see a soul on any of them which was nice. Must bunk off work more often.
Getting cross-rutted on a 200kg motorcycle is a bit interesting 😂
I took it easy as I'm very aware that people hate folks on motorbikes, plus I was on my own so wasn't keen on crashing.
Good fun though, but I need some summer riding gear 🔥🔥🔥
Hidcote
Lower Swell - Note that orange hand guards are no more!
Kineton Ford - Deeper and containing more big, loose rocks than it looked. 😳
Near Lower Swell
I wacked my knee on something, got drenched with sweat, jeans covered in mud and I fell asleep on the sofa whilst the dog waited to be taken out.
All pretty good fun though.
does yours have an aftermarket ‘can’ like the demo bike or standard exhaust?
Standard at the moment. The one I demoed had a Scorpion pipe on it that sounded lush. Mine is fairly quiet with the standard exhaust, which is nice when you want to be a bit more stealth, but it would be nice to appreciate that single burble a bit out and about.
Looks awesome fun mate, nice one 👍🏻
I took my Tenere along the ridgeway once and ended up 90 degrees to the track in some knee deep ruts 🤣🤣
I’m desperately trying not to ring the dealer to chase them up 🤣
We should do a day around Salisbury Plain when I get it.
I’m desperately trying not to ring the dealer to chase them up 🤣
We should do a day around Salisbury Plain when I get it.
You'll have a run in period won't you if brand new?
Sloooow 😊
Or is it used?
Nah- as above, it’s on 2850 miles so I got them to do the 3000 mile service before they bring it out.
That was ultimately what put me off the new Scram- the local RE dealer (not where I’m buying the used Himmy from) wouldn’t throw in the 300 mile service FOC. So I’d have been stung for £260 within a week(end?) of purchase.
She’s ready to roll. Valves did need adjusting too apparently.
Sadly their delivery guy can’t make it until Tuesday so I need to try and find a lift tomorrow afternoon 🤣
All collected. Nice ride back via some of my favourite cycling roads.
Tried out the Tripper and thought it was actually really cool! Although I’ll see what it’s like on genuinely new roads.
The problem (and benefit I guess) of YouTube is that you almost know exactly what something is going to be like these days and that’s what I found.
There’s no power, so you ride like you have no power and jobs a good’un 🤣
The only genuine ‘issue’ is after half an hour, the backs of my legs felt tight where the seat is so low but for solo riding I also found a hack- stretch them out for a minute or two whilst sitting on the pillion seat 🤣🤣
A higher seat and the links that raise it up would be cool in the future but no need right now.
Luggage all fitted but I can’t really put anything weighty in the top box as I don’t want to exceed the limit- although this rack has more reinforcement than the old ones, it’s still plated for just 7kg.
It reminds me of my old Tenere crossed with my old Suzuki samurai 🤣
Looks awesome!!
Thanks! I was worried I’d rushed into a Pine coloured one but like my khaki Tenere, it’s growing on me. And looks way better in the flesh.
Nice! There is a bit of 'rat bike' cool about that.
Luggage all fitted but I can’t really put anything weighty in the top box as I don’t want to exceed the limit- although this rack has more reinforcement than the old ones, it’s still plated for just 7kg.
The weight limits on motorcycle luggage are ridiculous. I have factory fitted Triumph OEM panniers on my Tiger 900, they are mashoosive - the top box is 52 Litres and the panniers 37 and 46 litres. The stickers inside say each is limited to 5KG!!! Without absolutely kicking the arse out of it, I ignore that. I'm off to the Picos de Europa with my wife on pillion shortly, fat chance of her keeping her luggage below 15kg, never mind anything I might like to take!
Yeah, the early ones did actually break off though so it was one of my concerns 🤣
There’s plenty of iron work to brace to with the factory pannier rack so I’ll keep an eye on it.
Most of the time I just love having a top box for helmet and glove storage when you get where you are going. Except for my old Piaggio Typhoon where there was room under the seat 🤣
Playing around with ideas but my mate says it’s no good as the cammo clashes 🤨 🤣
