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Not talking music abilities.
Germany have banned him - good he’s a complete arse.
https://www.ynetnews.com/culture/article/syy5qoq0o
Fan or not ?
Nah.
Clever bloke though; stir everything up to generate all the publicity, ahead of releasing a solo cover version of Dark Side of the Moon - you can't buy that advertising on the cheap. In the meantime, all the haters are pointedly listening to the original, generating even more royalties.
See also, Morrissey.
No, he's an utterly deluded ****.
Loved his music for decades, seen him perform 'the Wall' live. But he's turned into a useful idiot for the Putin regime so I've lost any respect I ever had. RT and Russian propagandists quote him all the time now. He's filed in the same category for me now as Steven Segal, Gerard Depardieu, George Galloway and sundry other tawdry Putin apologists/admirers.
Saw him and loved him at the O2.... his political views i don't give a monkeys about either way, he's a muscial genius and that's enough for me.
Never really liked his music so luckily don't need to decide whether I have to Morrissey him....
I hate to see people I once looked up to lose the plot as they get older.
Taking my own dad as an example, at 76 he can be a complete arse about certain things
He's definitely a bell end. The Putin stuff in particular.
However, anti-Israel doesn't always equate to anti-Semitic.
He’s on ‘The List’ with Morrisey and Ian Brown
However, anti-Israel doesn’t always equate to anti-Semitic.
Agreed, it's much more his anti Ukraine, pro Putin stuff that riles me.
"In recent days Waters has also said that "Nazis are in control' of Ukraine's government", that Ukraine “is not really a country at all', more a "patchy vague experiment”, and that “it may be” that Putin is “leading his country to the benefit of all of the people of Russia”.
See also, Morrissey.
Ahh... I was going to make the same comparison. Not that they share views, just that in both cases I can shake my head at their stated views while still enjoying the music. Right... Richard Wagner next... I'm putting Parsifal on I think...
EDIT: same with Brown Binners, although in his case... I think he's just not very bright and fell for the same stuff as an awful lot of other people while they were isolated and vulnerable. Waters and Morrissey are very considered about what they say... and I don't mean that to sound complimentary at all.
However, anti-Israel doesn’t always equate to anti-Semitic.
Correct, however in this case.....
I hate to see people I once looked up to lose the plot as they get older.
+1; I loved The Smiths but my conscience prickles now when I listen to them. Thankfully PF don't even register for me, turgid old crap that i just don't see any merit in.
All their albums should be destroyed and rerecorded by this lot (even if you don't watch the video, read the comments)
@theotherjonv The comment about the bass player 'being so good that he's not bound by the constraints of rhythm' nails it.
might be inappropriate for some, in which case i apologise but the comment that made me snort coffee out of my nose was
"It was at a charity gig for Breast Cancer Awareness - to remind people there are worse things than cancer"
Listening to his last album again... "Is this the life we really want?" ...still pretty good.
I haven't liked him for a long time - the ongoing feud with Dave Gilmour has always seemed to hold him up as being the unreasonable one out of the two of them.
I agree with Kimbers
The Wall is one of my favourite albums and it does devalue it slightly to know the guy has gone full tin hat in a bad way but then my father was a top engineer who was there at the birth of the internet, designed part of the Hubble and now thinks Boris should come back and rescue the country......people change as they get older or probably their oddness goes more rightwing
Separating the art from the artist?
I hate Pink Floyd, so don't care.
Morrissey though. I loved the Smiths with all my heart, they belong to me and nothing anyone can do or say can take them away from me now (even Morrissey). I can separate the art from the artist with no problem at all.
Even if the worst came to pass, and in some parallel universe Johnny and Morrissey patched it up, acknowledged the taxman, convinced Bruce and Rick (still makes me chuckle) and did some hideous reunion tour it wouldn't taint the Smiths in my eyes in any way. I'd rather set myself on fire than go to such an event though.
That video up there is amazing.
I like his music but he's been a dick head for years.
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt 'till he started putting the Star of David on the giant inflatable pig at gigs. Yes, on a pig. Planned, thought about, built, and displayed... not a spur of the moment slip up. Fully accept that others needed the UN security council thing, where he spoke for Russia, to consider he was crossing the line for them... but he's been carefully treading that line for a while.
Controversially, Like.
He's not antisemitic - he's anti Israel and pro BDS movement. So he's getting pooned for that.
He's a dick on Russia, but then nobody is perfect.
Dave Gilmour is a closet massive ****er though.
Historically I’ve been a fan for years, the Wall, pros and cons of hitchhiking, DSOTM etc. among my all time fave albums.
However i agree with so many comments on here.
He’s always made this big thing about world leaders stepping up to the plate, burying their differences and making progress towards a better world (prior to Ukraine kicking off obvs) yet he couldn’t get on with the other three middle class white blokes he was in a band with!!!
Dave Gilmour is a closet massive **** though.
By “closet”, do you mean he doesn’t say anything in public that lets us see that he is a massive whatever you’ve asterisked out there? How do you know he’s a massive whatever the asterisks hide?
Personally I've always found the music fairly dull/pretentious so it just reinforces my negative stereotyping of him 🙂
"Germany have banned him –"
Have you actually read the article?
Dave Gilmour is a closet massive **** though.
Hehehe:
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By “closet”, do you mean he doesn’t say anything in public that lets us see that he is a massive whatever you’ve asterisked out there? How do you know he’s a massive whatever the asterisks hide?
I didn't asterisk anything out 🙂
Hehehe
Always makes me laugh.
Romany Gilmour is a good musician (and singer)… dads are always embarrassing… but they have done stuff together that sounds really good… doubt it’s all bad having a musician as a dad and an author as a mother.
I didn’t asterisk anything out
Ahh, just calling names then. Boring. 😁
I think that photo is priceless, her body language and the look on her face as if to say " **** off Dad, I know how to do a G!" 😀
Ahh, just calling names then. Boring.
You could see they fell out decades ago. However, Waters always said that he recognised that he'd been a dick at some points, that he made mistakes and that he wasn't against repairing the relationship.
Gilmour was always hard edged about it. Completely uncompromising.
Now Gilmour's wife is sniping from the sides calling someone who's got a political beef an antisemite, with Gilmour backing it up. It's cowardly.
Waters is no angel. But then who is.
Now Gilmour’s wife is sniping from the sides calling someone who’s got a political beef an antisemite, with Gilmour backing it up. It’s cowardly.
I personally think Waters is the bigger throbber, by quite some margin, but band politics is ultimately between them and I have no interest in that. Lots of bands split up for simmilar reasons.
Waters does seem a bit unhinged with some of the stuff he publicly comes out with, though... too much LSD back in the day I guess.
Gilmour was always hard edged about it.
Remember the Live 8 gig? There was also Waters gigs where Gilmour performed, before Waters went full big ego bonkers claiming than none of the other members really contributed anything to Pink Floyd’s biggest moments (something easily disputed by listening to their solo demos for tracks that became huge Pink Floyd numbers). I don’t see it nearly as clear cut as you do.
his political views i don’t give a monkeys about either way, he’s a muscial genius and that’s enough for me.
He likes to think he’s a musical genius, he’s totally dismissive of all the other members of PF, reckons he’s the only one who’s important because he wrote many of the lyrics and considers writers to be the only people of envy relevance when recording music.ignoring the simple fact that his new, solo version of DSOTM has other musicians playing on it because he can’t actually play drums, keys, guitar…
https://www.guitarworld.com/news/roger-waters-rerecords-pink-floyd-the-dark-side-of-the-moon
Indeed, the other members of Pink Floyd were not made aware of the project, which is reportedly scheduled for release in May. The former Floyd bass guitar player revealed the project in an interview with the Telegraph arguing that it was his album all along. He then trashed his former bandmates, accusing them being irrelevant to Pink Floyd’s songwriting.
<p class="paywall">“Well, Nick never pretended. But Gilmour and Rick [Wright, the keyboardist]? They can’t write songs, they’ve nothing to say. They are not artists!” said Waters. “They have no ideas, not a single one between them. They never have had, and that drives them crazy.”</p>
Arrogant asshole. I had all of PF’s albums on vinyl, and eagerly went out and bought The Wall when it was released.
I played it right through.
Once.
He’s an average singer, a moderately decent bass player, and can write good choons, but he ain’t as good as he likes to think he is.
He said that after Gilmour started sniping "antisemite" at him.
Fair game tbh.
On the songwriting - yep, Waters was the prime force behind it. I agree on the Wall - it was rubbish - but then Gilmour and Wright had clocked off by then. Wright admitted that.
Waters was magnanimous in his death, Gilmour? Nah. Still hard nosed. Turned up for a paycheck.
Regardless of all that - I still love everything up until the Wall really.
Ah, yeah, the Wright didn’t bring anything to the party lie.
Drift off to these…
Waters was magnanimous in his death, Gilmour? Nah. Still hard nosed.
Wright and Gilmour not only became friends again, after Gilmour apologised for the legal and personal shit that surrounded the break up of the band, but they worked together for years before he died… writing songs together, singing and playing together on both later PF and solo stuff, touring the world together, getting him out on centre stage and leading crowd applause for him. Where as Waters… never acknowledged his importance, abilities or personal contributions till he was dead and buried. And he soon rowed back on those positive comment once his death was no longer headline news. Such a self centred arse. Close to a sociopath… not unusual for “front men”, or people who see themselves as that any way.
Asked further about Wright, Gilmour said, "He has been underestimated by the public, by the media and by us at times I hate to say. I didn’t necessarily always give him his proper due. People have very different attitudes to the way they work and we can become very judgmental and think someone is not quite pulling his weight enough, without realising that theirs is a different weight to pull."
Or just watch the Pink Tones. This way you wont get hung up on any individuals personality flaws.
https://www.youtube.com/@doug3285/videos
He’s on ‘The List’ with Morrisey and Ian Brown
The major difference being that Brown and Morrisey made music worth listening to.
He’s always made this big thing about world leaders stepping up to the plate, burying their differences and making progress towards a better world (prior to Ukraine kicking off obvs) yet he couldn’t get on with the other three middle class white blokes he was in a band with!!!
Very good point!
If The Lockdown Sessions is anything to go by, I'm really looking forward to hearing his reworked DSOTM though.
Some were interesting. There's a clip of "us and them" on the his Facebook if you're keen... without Wright's piano lines (the anchor and seed of the music) and the warmth of Gilmour and Wright's harmonies... well... at least the string section sounds strong.
Currently reading this thread with somewhat detached interest while listening to Nick Mason's Saucerful of Secrets.
FWIW their take on Obscured by the clouds is nice tonic to toxicity and hey, isn't that Gary Kemp...
The bloke's a ****
Wright and Gilmour not only became friends again, after Gilmour apologised for the legal and personal shit that surrounded the break up of the band, but they worked together for years before he died… writing songs together, singing and playing together on both later PF and solo stuff, touring the world together, getting him out on centre stage and leading crowd applause for him.
This is absolutely the case - if you watch the concert "David Gilmour - Remember That Night" (performed in 2006) it's evident that Gilmour has the utmost respect for him and leads the applause when introducing the band making sure that Wright gets the biggest cheer.
Waters speaks back. TLDR, he's not a Nazi he's a lifelong anti fascist. He's not an anti semite, he's anti Israeli government. The Germans, Israel and the mainstream media are all trying to cancel him.
Although I have sympathies with his views on Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, he comes across IMO as arrogant, hectoring and patronising. Only he can see what's going on in the world, the rest of us need to wake up. His emotions to camera feel a little contrived and he's a bit too ready to play the victim.
No mention of his denial of Russian war crimes in Ukraine, claims that the war is the US fault, tacit support for Assad's regime in Syria, blaming of ordinary jews in the west for Israel's policies and myriad wacky conspiracy theories.
I still love his music
He's still a dick.
His lifelong anti-fascism apparently doesn't extend to criticising Putin, the man who has coralled Russian labour, capital and bureaucracy to launch a genocidal war on Ukraine (cf. Sudetenland), invade Georgia, and continue an occupation of the Russian-speaking part of Moldova.
Come to think of it, what practical forms has his lifelong anti-fascism taken?
The major difference being that Brown and Morrisey made music worth listening to.
So ******* narrow minded. Morrisey and The Smiths genuinely created something new, and I can even get past Mozza’s dickishness, but Brown? Nothing he’s ever done has ever made an impression on me, I can’t name a single thing he’s ever done. Certainly I have nothing he’s ever been connected with in my music library of 60+ thousand tracks. He’s a complete nonentity, and made no significant contribution to music that I can ascertain.
How many millions of copies of DSOTM alone have PF sold?
I have to admit, when I saw PF on the 1974 Wish You Were Here tour, the band were pretty boring, zero interaction with the audience.
Nick Mason’s Saucerful Of Secrets, which plays all of the PF stuff up to DSOTM, however, are a phenomenal band, playing around 2+ hours of music across two sets - amazing gig.
PF. Old, decrepit and grumpily barstards. Literally sounds like 1/2 the members on here.
This thread is supposed to be about what sort of person Roger Waters is, not the music of Pink Floyd. I like their music up until The Wall. I utterly detest Waters, he's an utterly contemptible person.
I quite like it when musicians put their heads above the parapet. Look at how we benefited from Clapton's comments with Rock Against Racism. To accuse Walters of AS is to employ Humpty's approach to words meaning what he wants them to mean. When there's moves afoot to cancel a musician rather than engage generally means there's something there worth listening to and forming an opinion on. We should not bow to the defenders of apartheid and self-appointed arbiters of what we should and should not be allowed to listen to or all we'd get is Eurovision.
My objections to the PF are more along the lines of how they treated the singer on The Great Gig in the Sky but it's a great track nevertheless.
When there’s moves afoot to cancel a musician rather than engage generally means there’s something there worth listening to and forming an opinion on.
What if that question has been asked and the answer is "no"?
Mmm, who could have predicted this happening?
https://twitter.com/RollingStone/status/1707536509492957313
His music is good. He's a ****ing knob.
From that RS article
screenshots of a 2010 email Waters wrote to his team that suggested emblazoning his famous inflatable pig with a Star of David and insults like “dirty k***.”
That goes way beyond making valid criticisms of a states actions. (Assuming the email isn't fabricated)