[Closed] Risk assessment course...boring

Think yourself lucky, last one I was on was a 2 dayer

Has it gone mad yet?

Should you really be there, or is it just too dangerous?

Should you really be in a position where you are responsible for assessing risk when you clearly don't care?

Has it gone mad yet?

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Its all about the trainer, when I run them they're brilliant 😉

I love them. Good H&S is so...reasonable and sensible. Converting the panic merchants will take time.

Unfortunately a necessary evil in this day and age thanks to the blame culture that thrives over here these days.

Unfortunately a necessary evil i[b]n this day and age[/b] thanks to the [b]blame culture[/b] that thrives over here [b]these days[/b].

Bingo!

A properly performed "Hazid" and risk assessment are excellent tools when performed properly.

They can really help planning efficient operations.

Unfortunately a necessary evil in this day and age

I would guess you have been subject to very poor H&S management which makes you think that way.

I would guess you have been subject to very poor H&S management which makes you think that way.

Or he reads the Daily Mail.

An absolute necessity these days as it's a moral & legal obligation to make sure you send people home through the door not in a box. People are still getting killed and seriously injured at work. Thankfully due to much improved H&S and Risk Assessments the numbers are falling.

Take a read of the article one it's quite sobering to think that somebody died doing their job. The review and actions mean there was a lot of things that were not picked up on prior to the accident.

http://www.miningaustralia.com.au/news/death-of-worker-highlights-need-to-separate-light

Or, get better Managament Staff, who actually think before implementing blanket poor quality trianing schemes?
My old job was a mobile servicing tech. Around 800 - 1000 miles a week were done by around 100 workers over the country.
1 worker got dermatitis, as he was a complete prick, and never wore gloves. We knew, management knew it, nothing was done. They were fined £1000 or so for not enforcing the 'chemicals=gloves' rule.
So we all had a 2 day course on how/when to wear gloves.

In the 10 years I was there, there were 6, maybe 8 big car crashes involving our Staff - the biggest risk for us was road traffic, but we were never sent on an advance driving course, which really would have helped us all in our duties.

Health and safety again huh?
Without it we'd get things done a lot quicker right?
Wrong.
It's there to protect you.
Look at this guy as an example.

http://kenwoodward.co.uk/kens-accident/

A really nice man touring companies explaining why he lost his eyes as he didn't follow the method statements and risk assessments he was given.

He came to a site I was working on. I have never seen so many rough arsed construction workers (me included) listen to a health and safety talk so intently and taking something out of it instead of the "god I'm bored, are we done, who needs health and safety blah blah blah blah blah"

Watch this video then come back to me about health and safety.

http://www.lattitudeproductions.co.uk/previewdiary/

but we were never sent on an advance driving course, which really would have helped us all in our duties.

I guess you provided evidence to prove this to them or did you just do a bit of Hrumppphhhning when they did their legal requirements?

I was on an investigation course yesterday. It was shit. The subject matter doesn't make the course good.

Delivering one on environmental risk assessment today - better pull my finger out

Delivering one on environmental risk assessment today - better pull my finger out

Is that an approved testing method?

H&S is very important, and I'm very glad it's in place to protect workers - but I'm also very glad it doesn't apply to me 😉

Why doesn't it apply to you Ben?
If you seriously injured yourself at work, then your livelihood would be gone. Although you don't' have enough employees for the regulations to apply I'm sure you still do suitable and sufficient risk assessment before starting a task, albeit in your head and not written down on a piece of paper.

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I would guess you have been subject to very poor H&S management which makes you think that way.
Or he reads the Daily Mail.

Far from it,I am actually in favour of risk assessment and procedures if it means people are working in a safe environment. It's the blame culture that I despise as well as people not thinking longterm the consequences of their actions.

as well as people not thinking longterm the consequences of their actions.

So you produce risk assessments to make them more aware.

Why doesn't it apply to you Ben?
If you seriously injured yourself at work, then your livelihood would be gone. Although you don't' have enough employees for the regulations to apply I'm sure you still do suitable and sufficient risk assessment before starting a task, albeit in your head and not written down on a piece of paper.

Well, yes, like with everything I do I do a mental "am I going to die?" check - but what I meant was that I don't have to do any paperwork, and I'm responsible for making my own decisions. Which is nice.

Currently I'm debating whether to make a guard for the belts of my horizontal mill, or just remember not to put my finger in them.

Currently I'm debating whether to make a guard for the belts of my horizontal mill, or just remember not to put my finger in them.

Make a guard. It's not so much the 'don't put your finger in, as when a lose piece of clothing gets pulled into them that's the problem. As my Dad found out when one of the belts on a big diesel engine snagged his overalls. (fortunately his company is particularly shonkey with replacing staff kit, so the years of oil impregnation meant that it just tore the arm off the overalls, rather than the arm off him)

Well, yes, like with everything I do I do a mental "am I going to die?" check - but what I meant was that I don't have to do any paperwork, and I'm responsible for making my own decisions. Which is nice.

Currently I'm debating whether to make a guard for the belts of my horizontal mill, or just remember not to put my finger in them.

Its a good job you never let anyone into your workspace where you are aware there are risks youve not done anything about 😆

Hmm, 4 days was last one. Poor trainer. Good content. Seems 'industry standard'. 🙁

Mind you, it means I just got a promotion and raise. 🙂

It also means I now need to run my own courses in risk benefit.... 😐

Currently I'm debating whether to make a guard for the belts of my horizontal mill, or just remember not to put my finger in them.

Go with the Chopper approach

Warning: Lots of swearing!

A risk assessment would say guard as it works for the unexpected which is the real reason you will have less fingers.

[u]Fewer[/u] fingers.

I might. But the world is full of risks, I consider things that could go wrong, and I take steps if necessary to avoid them. Just like I do when riding my bike, driving a car, rock climbing, etc.

With the horizontal milling machine, it seems a bit silly to worry about the belts at the side when there's a big rotating cutter right in front.