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On BBC2 now as I write, brilliant series, seems particularly prescient at the moment, “dictators who rule by fear, can’t trust even those closest to them” hope Vlad is feeling the need to looking over his shoulder!!
I started a thread when the first episode aired - that included some telling comments about leaders of governments taking no notice of experts which doesn’t just apply to dictators.
Anybody familiar with this bloke Alexander Dugin:
https://mobile.twitter.com/TobyVenables/status/1497916322469928960?t=D6h57j8Ze9fqLpW6EpTMuw&s=19
Well that's pretty a desperate contribution
Nazis are members of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. This organization no longer exist. The term “Nazis” is now used as a slur to denigrate people we don’t like.
Er, yes. That's what the programmer's about. The clue is in the title.
But welcome to the forum.
The term “Nazis” is now used as a slur to denigrate people we don’t like.
Err….or shorthand for neo Nazi. They’re people that no right minded person likes
this might test Mark's new 'play nicely' policy.....
They’re people that no right minded person likes
Surely they're people that other very right minded folk like...
Thanks op. Hadn't come across that but will put it on my watch list. Looks very interesting
Nazis are members of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. This organization no longer exist. The term “Nazis” is now used as a slur to denigrate people we don’t like.
Or where we see similar traits persisting...
Those who fail to learn from history and all that...
Nazis are members of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. This organization no longer exist. The term “Nazis” is now used as a slur to denigrate people we don’t like
I do like it when people completely new to the forum pile in with a possible defined agenda. I do wonder if we're attracting the attention of those who specialise in the dissemination of misinformation. Particularly when their English is somewhat suspect..
I see we have a new bot or troll; a message - piss off.
Been watching this series with my 11 year old, it's been really good. Quite worrying parallels with modern day though.
sree251 Free Member
Nazis are members of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. This organization no longer exist. The term “Nazis” is now used as a slur to denigrate people we don’t like.
Indeed. Other ultranationalist bigots should be referred to as "sparkling fascists" rather than Nazis.
sree251 Free Member
Can anyone remember the other right winger with 251 in their username?
My thoughts exactly anagallis, I saw a meme recently; ‘those that don’t study history are forced to repeat it, whilst those who do study history are forced to stand and watch!’
Nazis are members of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. This organization no longer exist. The term “Nazis” is now used as a slur to denigrate people we don’t like.
Well I for one hope we can soon be told how "they were socialists actually, its literally in their name bro. Do your research"
Other ultranationalist bigots should be referred to as “sparkling fascists”
HA! Nice.
I shall have to watch this - next in my book pile is 'Rise and Fall of the Third Reich' with 1,245 pages of almost blind-point text so a more accessible introduction to this complicated subject might be quite welcome 🙂
Can anyone remember the other right winger with 251 in their username?
No, actually. But then, I'm not a dedicated follower of fascism...
Who was that?
I mean, he does have a point about it being overused, plenty of other words that could be used to describe turds in a less than glowing manner.
Edit: I like that 'turds' gets through the filter. It's underused.
sree251
Joined February 27, 2022
Wow, the bot farms must be pretty bored to join up here to defend Nazism.
Not like there's anything else going on at the moment for them to sink their teeth into.
In many ways I don't think Putin is a fascist (in the strict sense of the founding principles of fascism) It may very well be a fine debating point, but like Franco and Salazar, he is a autocratic dictator, but there's no single use of economy to produce a country that "just" prepares for war, there's no othering or racism that Putin uses to demonize a outside group, and there's no fetishisation of the future and technology, in fact there's a yearning for the order of the past.
I think it's probably just shorthand, I accept that, but it's a distinction I think that's important
a dedicated follower of fascism…
Didn't the Beatles write that one 😕
sree251 Free Member
Nazis are members of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. This organization no longer exist. The term “Nazis” is now used as a slur to denigrate people we don’t like.
Hint: if you're being called a nazi, you probably deserve it.
Does time travel exist??
Hitler survived over 40 assasination attempts ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassination_attempts_on_Adolf_Hitler ) which I find extraordinary. But, if time travel exists in the future, then maybe people travel back in time to try to assasinate Hitler, but because of the 'rules of time travel' (don't ask) they always fail - hence the large number of failed attempts.........
Didn’t the Beatles write that one 😕
The Kinks
No, actually. But then, I’m not a dedicated follower of fascism…
Who was that?
I think it was SD251. Sd.Kfz 251 was the iconic Nazi half track APC of WW2.
Well I for one hope we can soon be told how “they were socialists actually, its literally in their name bro. Do your research”
I had a colleague who tried that line once as if it was somehow a new piece of information. It may have been to him. When I asked him to explain why they, the Nazis, sided with Franco and Mussolini in the Spanish civil war rather than with the Russians who allied themselves with the socialists he was rather lost for words. He did at least admit that he didn't know anything about that.
Total right wing conspiracy nutjob. Very smart man but like many smart people didn't realise the extent of his own ignorance.
Nazis are members of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. This organization no longer exist. The term “Nazis” is now used as a slur to denigrate people we don’t like.
So you are saying that Putin's claim that Russia has invaded Ukraine to protect ethnic Russians from nazis is a lie?
Oh right, one of the 'I'm only into the cool uniforms and military equipment, honest' types then?
Didn’t the Beatles write that one 😕
The Kinks
Wasn't it also a Carter lyric?
Edit: No it was Billy Bragg
there’s no othering or racism that Putin uses to demonize a outside group, and there’s no fetishisation of the future and technology, in fact there’s a yearning for the order of the past.
Sorry my irony filter is probably turned off but are you sure about this? He is demonising anyone who stands up to him as genocidal Nazis and his thing about hypersonic missiles & nuclear torpedos/mini submarines fits the bill on your criteria.
The fetishisation of the future and technology was really limited to a small bunch of Italian nutters who despite being pretty good with paintbrushes removed themselves from the gene pool by embracing the purifying benefits of war in WW1. The genuine Nazis were more into the yearning for a fictional past order and purity, the miraculous technology only became a thing when things turned so far against them that they had to invent a source of hope for themselves.
The genuine Nazis were more into the yearning for a fictional past order and purity
Again, dancing on a pin head sort of stuff, for the sake of a discussion, but most of the research I've read, for me one of the defining characteristics of fascism is it's anti-Christianity (by which I mean it's social structures, not it's core beliefs), it's perhaps one of - if not the most radical movement that western Europe has seen by that measure, it's avowedly against conservatism, against the old established ways ands social leaders; and from that perspective while there are wrongs from that past that need to be corrected and past glories to be regained these can't be done by going back in time to the old ways or reliance on the old order True fascists (like Hitler and Mussolini) sought change through technology and advancement (in Germany see the Autobahn, the Radio, the VW, Lufthansa and so on)
Putin's acceptance of a social role for the orthodox church marks him (to my mind) as arch-conservative old school authoritarian in the mold of Franco.
Well I for one hope we can soon be told how “they were socialists actually, its literally in their name bro. Do your research”
Baddies in telling fibs shock.
You'll never guess how the Democratic Republic of Congo is governed.
Quite worrying parallels with modern day though.
This is the second series, focusing on WW2, the first series (3 years ago?) was the actual rise of the Nazis in the 1930s. That had some truly terrifying parallels to the last 10 years or so.
Possibly a thread at the time?
This is the second series, focusing on WW2, the first series (3 years ago?) was the actual rise of the Nazis in the 1930s.
Been watching on iPlayer so we started at begining, with Hitler's rise to power etc. Scary stuff.
They’re people that no right minded person likes
Surely they’re people that other very right minded folk like…
That deserves reposting. Cheered me up.
After the OPs heads up, I've just started watching it. I'm part way through the second episode. The first lines in the second episode could have been about Truwp and Boris.
Frightening stuff.
I think it was SD251. Sd.Kfz 251 was the iconic Nazi half track APC of WW2.
Think you’re right, that was a fair few years ago now. I remember googling the user name and found the half track and a Panasonic bread maker as options.
After the OPs heads up, I’ve just started watching it. I’m part way through the second episode. The first lines in the second episode could have been about Truwp and Boris.
Really? I think you might have to have a word with yourself - or you vastly misunderstand what was going on in the mid '30s ...
TBH the series is nothing new - most of what is being communicated has been around for a very long time. Have there been any breakthrough findings?
The lines that I was referring to, and I paraphrase, that Hilter didn’t like to be involved in the hum-drum of daily governance and wasn’t interested in detail.
So I stand by my statement, it resonated with recent behaviours of the ex-President and the current Prime Minister.
And no, i don’t need to have a word with myself, I can see the difference between 1930s Germany under the Third Reich and the UK in 2022.
Putin’s comments about saving Ukrainian’s from Nazis is especially ironic considering that Russia has more than its own share of far-Right nationalist groups who align themselves with Nazism.
I like this poster from a pro-Ukrainian art resource;
Here’s another which I’d like to see come to pass…
Wishful thinking but I think he would rather kill a civilisation than kill himself. We can only hope someone is his circle offs him.
The lines that I was referring to, and I paraphrase, that Hilter didn’t like to be involved in the hum-drum of daily governance and wasn’t interested in detail.
So I stand by my statement, it resonated with recent behaviours of the ex-President and the current Prime Minister.
It somehow managed to be a subtle and yet obvious dig, all at the same time
Third series - actually the fall of the Nazis - just started on BBC2.
Strangely there are already parallels with modern political events and characters
Strangely there are already parallels with modern political events and characters
Liz Truss is in her bunker ranting how she has been let down and betrayed?
Liz Truss is in her bunker ranting how she has been let down and betrayed?
Along with her counterpart in Moscow
Probably not far off 🙁
The reptile looked like she was in a continuous state of semi-orgasm on her Jolly to russia.
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Nazis are members of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. This organization no longer exist. The term “Nazis” is now used as a slur to denigrate people we don’t like.
The thing is 'nazi' has only ever been a slur. The National Socialist German Workers’ Party didnt coin the term Nazi for themselves - 'Nazi' is how other people , principally their opposition - referred to them - a nickname derived from truncating NA-tionalso-ZI-alistische - the word 'Nazi' predates the party as a derogatory term for a yokel or a peasant.
Its how germans in exile referred to the party but now how the party wanted to be referred to on home turf and it only found its way back into Germany once the war was over
Strangely there are already parallels with modern political events and characters
Liz Truss is in her bunker ranting how she has been let down and betrayed?
She's only got one ball?
She let Kwasi keep one then?
Kwasi Kwarteng has something similar.
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Poor ol' Chris Philp has no balls at all
We can only hope someone is his circle offs him.
Stalin was worse, and he lived to a ripe old age.
Spoiler alert.
It doesn't end well, but, it is worth reading "Germany 1945".
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Germany-1945-Peace-Richard-Bessel/dp/1416526196
for me one of the defining characteristics of fascism is it’s anti-Christianity (by which I mean it’s social structures, not it’s core beliefs)
There was a very definite Christian element in the German National Socialist movement, their flag was a black cross on a red background with a circle in the centre bearing a swastika.
Certainly in many countries moving towards extremely autocratic nationalist governments, religion has a major part in it, mostly evangelical Christian, but also Hindu, with Modi’s government in India.
there’s no othering or racism that Putin uses to demonize a outside group, and there’s no fetishisation of the future and technology, in fact there’s a yearning for the order of the past.
Sorry my irony filter is probably turned off but are you sure about this? He is demonising anyone who stands up to him as genocidal Nazis and his thing about hypersonic missiles & nuclear torpedos/mini submarines fits the bill on your criteria.
Oh, Putin is very definitely using the past for his actions, using the lie that Ukraine is just a former part of Greater Russia, and not an independent country with a history that actually predates Russia, the Kievan Rus.
The whole Nazi slur being used against Ukraine is just a ruse to play on memories of the Nazis in Russia during WW2, particularly Stalingrad.
Here is some background.
Strangely there are already parallels with modern political events and characters
That's the whole thing of not remembering the past and learning from mistakes.
Doesn't take much to get people flag wavingly dangerous.