[Closed] Rip Rangers

(waits for the inevitable..)

I'm a sherman tank so don't understand all of this but aren't Rangers the equivalent of Stoke or Wolves?

D&P have 3 days to appeal - which they will have to do. All bidding will surely be suspended pending the outcome of that. Despite the "fix" to allow them back into the SPL, a makeshift team of 18-year olds isn't gonna be able to hack it, so a drop into the 3rd Division actually looks like a good idea. That being the case, it's as well to go straight to liquidation.

Well can understand the transfer embargo. You haven't paid fully for some of the players you have bought and owe money to Dundee United and Hearts for starters. Players that you then used to help beat those teams.

Either give them the players back or pay for them.

Unsure of the reference random, prob will be though after this..
Druidh- lol.. Fek knows.

What now? Not paid for players?? You mean where there's staggered payment terms but nowts getting paid cos of administration?? Accept we still owe gate receipts but wasn't aware of players we haven't paid for?
Better and better..

Sorry apparently the United one has been resolved but Romanov is gunning for his money. Needs it to fail to pay his players on time himself.

Some people less upset than others...

Genuine LOLs - but Not Safe For "Work"

outstanding druidh! hahhahaha 😀

Very funny but needs a NSFW worning Druidh

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Ahh, there we go.. Took
Long enough. Fuds.

Funny how all the clubs desprate for the gate money rangers games bring to their clubs are baying for their blood. When rangers go to the 3 division were are they going to get money then. TV companies only invest in the SPL so they can cover the old firm games. No other club in Scotland will fill the void left and the league will become even more of a joke. The scottish team will also suffer, with a weakend league to selec t from. Seems the SFA are trying to break the old firm monopoly.ehen ranngers.return to the SPL l am sure they who kick them when they were down. Celtic fans are having a good laugh and quite right but when the dust settles three years of playing the likes of Ross county,St johnstone, dundee utd etc etc not going to excite anyone other than the 2/3 thousand home fans.

Funny how all the clubs desprate for the gate money rangers games bring to their clubs are baying for their blood. When rangers go to the 3 division were are they going to get money then. TV companies only invest in the SPL so they can cover the old firm games. No other club in Scotland will fill the void left and the league will become even more of a joke. The scottish team will also suffer, with a weakend league to selec t from. Seems the SFA are trying to break the old firm monopoly.ehen ranngers.return to the SPL l am sure they who kick them when they were down. Celtic fans are having a good laugh and quite right but when the dust settles three years of playing the likes of Ross county,St johnstone, dundee utd etc etc not going to excite anyone other than the 2/3 thousand home fans.

Tried to edit mistakes but left it to late. Small tablet and sausage fingers[i] 😳

So good he posted it twice.

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One thing I don't fully understand; why would you fine a club in administration?
I get all of the other punishments but taking money from a club without any is a shitty thing to do IMHO.

Surely the thing is that Rangers have been braking rules for years and going on to win titles. Celtic meanwhile, I understand, have been fiscally better run and not done so well. Ranger's need to be punished but what is fair?

The SFA have played fair by putting the fine and ban in place now so that bidders for the club know in advance. I believe it would have been worse if the club was taken over by another party and THEN the fine and transfer ban were put in place.

SFA are in a tricky situation. They know as well as anybody a strong Old-Firm is good for competition and gate receipts for all clubs. On the other hand they can't let a club flount rules and not pay tax over many years. So if we ran the SFA what is a fair punishment? Or should they just be let off and told not to do it again?

I don't think the fine really matters, plus they've 12 months to pay it.

Point is, and i'm surprised, that rangers are getting fairly punished for their actions.

And we've still got the issue of double contracts for the last 10 years(and more), tbh if found guilty of that, and taking into consideration what's happening in the swiss league, well, only option for the SFA/SPL must surely be to kick them out of the league and strip them of any titles during that period?

They know as well as anybody a strong Old-Firm is good for competition and gate receipts for all clubs

Thing is, before rangers went on their David Murray inspired spending spree during Graham Souness' time, Scottish football was in a much stronger position in terms of having a number of teams who could compete domestically and in Europe, and the Scottish international squad was much stronger as well. Rangers have now been shown to have fraudulently inflated the strength of their squad, which triggered an 'arms race' in terms of clubs trying to keep on level terms, which pushed Celtic to the brink financially and weakened Scottish football, perhaps to a point that is unrecoverable.

Rangers were undoubtedly going through a slump at the time which needed some response, but if it had been done in an economically sustainable fashion, it's likely that Scottish football as a whole would be in a far better position now, with several strong teams vying for domestic honours, and continuing to develop a reasonable pool of young talent to provide the backbone of domestic teams.

Craig Whyte is clearly a tossbag of the highest order, but I think David Murray's role in all this warrants considerably more investigation.

[worried]They can't start again in the English conference north can they?[/worried]

Sympathies in any case [b]Althepal[/b]. You grow up supporting a club, going the game with your Dad, and it's in your blood whether you like it or not.

Rangers have now been shown to have fraudulently inflated the strength of their squad

No they haven't.

No they haven't.

Just so you know, outside the Ibrox Unreality Bubble, panto season's been over for a few months now.

whatnobeer - Member
Rangers have now been shown to have fraudulently inflated the strength of their squad
No they haven't

Since when is it acceptable to post videos that have sectarian slurs in them?

Leave that shite off of singletrack rather than turning it into every other website and forum where there are 'debates' about Scottish football.

Haven't watched them all Omar Little, but I didn't see anything particularly sectarian? Lots of schadenfreude and some coarse language, but nothing to get upset about.

Rangers: soon to be joined by Portsmouth football club in the annals of history.

The "H" word is unacceptable - its a sectarian insult. http://nilbymouth.org/history/

Please remove the references to it.

@ althepal

Accept we still owe gate receipts but wasn't aware of players we haven't paid for?

It seems Rangers sold Jelavic at a profit but still haven't paid apid Vienna in full.

Rangers sold top scorer Nikica Jelavic to Everton for £5.5million just as the transfer window was about to close on Jan 31.

That piece of business was necessary due to the club’s cash flow problems but, ironically, Rangers still owe money for the Croat.

Jelavic was signed from Rapid Vienna in 2010 but it emerged last night that the final payment, believed to be in the region of £1.2million, has still to be paid.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9082700/Rangers-in-adminstration-SPL-clubs-to-carry-cost-of-Ibrox-crisis.html

wheeleeneelee - Member
The "H" word is unacceptable - its a sectarian insult. http://nilbymouth.org/history/

Please remove the references to it.

deid at this

seosamh77, lets not turn this into a circular debate about what terms the teams call each other. It'll go nowhere.

Rangers owe money for players, but these were staggered payments that would of been made had it not been for admin. Thats all Whytes fault and nothing to do with buying players etc. They also haven't been found guilty of anything to do with dual contracts or EBTs. All this financial doping stuff is crap.

seosamh77, lets not turn this into a circular debate about what terms the teams call each other. It'll go nowhere.

Rangers owe money for players, but these were staggered payments that would of been made had it not been for admin. Thats all Whytes fault and nothing to do with buying players etc. They also haven't been found guilty of anything to do with dual contracts or EBTs. All this financial doping stuff is crap.

Back on topic, you have admitted using EBT's. That is not disputed, these weren't registered with the SFA/SPL, that equals financial doping, all that is left is to dish out your punishment, regardless if the EBTs are found to be illegal in law/tax regulations, dual contract are illegal within SPL/SFA regulations.

Fair enough, it's not sectarian though, simply a pet name used by everyone! I'll leave it at that.

An anti-sectarian charity and the courts consider it sectarian so it is a bit more than a pet name.

The original context might not have meant that but then neither was fenian but both terms are now used as the basis of sectarian insults.

Omar Little - Member
Fair enough, it's not sectarian though, simply a pet name used by everyone! I'll leave it at that.
An anti-sectarian charity and the courts consider it sectarian so it is a bit more than a pet name.

The original context might not have meant that but then neither was fenian but both terms are now used as the basis of sectarian insults.

seosamh77 - Member

nil by mouth talk pish, always have.

I wonder why you feel that way?

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/scottish-sectarianism/page/4

About halfway down

seosamh77 - Member

nil by mouth talk pish, always have.
I wonder why you feel that way?

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/scottish-sectarianism/page/4

About halfway down

ps Omar Little, anybody that thinks the term fenian is even remotely offensive to celtic fans clearly hasn't a clue.

I wonder why you feel that way?

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/scottish-sectarianism/page/4

About halfway down

Admitting to:

Fighting with cellic fans

Singing 'ra songs

That's worth a 😳

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So an opportunity for a sensible debate about the issues on a mountain biking forum ends up in sectarian mud slinging.

This would be why I hate Scottish football and the old firm in particular

you not get bored of this?

Nope,never.
Nor do I want/expect you to show shame.... But it gives a very good reason why you might be dismissive of an anti-bigotry charity.

duckman - Member
you not get bored of this?
Nope,never.
Nor do I want/expect you to show shame.... But it gives a very good reason why you might be dismissive of an anti-bigotry charity.

If they are going to go down a division or two in Scotland, why not use it as the opportunity to join the English league. They could replace one of the teams about to go bust down here.
In the past when both Glasgow clubs wanted to join the English league they wanted to go straight into the EPL as they would be giving up their Champions League places. Rangers are out of Europe until they sort themselves out so they may as well kill two birds with one stone. Assuming the English Leagues would want them and the vast amount of traveling fans.

seosamh77

I'm dismissive of all the sectarian nonsense surrounding scottish football.

Which is why yo are happy to sing sectarian songs and to deny their sectarian nature.

TandemJeremy - Member
seosamh77
I'm dismissive of all the sectarian nonsense surrounding scottish football.

Which is why yo are happy to sing sectarian songs and to deny their sectarian nature.

Anyhow, this is diverging from the point(laughing at rangers demise ), lets agree to disagree.

Have you ever stopped for a minute and considered how utterly pitiful this whole pathetically mindless sectarian drivel appears to pretty much everyone outside Glasgow?

Maybe you should

Assuming the English Leagues would want them and the vast amount of traveling fans.

See above comment

binners - Member
Have you ever stopped for a minute and considered how utterly pitiful this whole pathetically mindless sectarian drivel appears to pretty much everyone outside Glasgow?

Maybe you should

clearly

I view them as historical and as part of my heritage.

Some Rangers fans view their songs and hatred of catholics as their heritage.

Is it ok for them to sing their songs and dish out abuse at Celtic fans?

They aren't sectarian, I view them as historical and as part of my heritage. It's that simple, fair enough you don't understand them, you clearly have a completely different background to me. I'm sorry if you get offended by them, but we/I don't sing them for your benefit.

Unfortunately for you they are and the singing of them at a football match is a criminal offence for which people have been successfully prosecuted.

Is it ok for them to sing their songs and dish out abuse at Celtic fans?

Unfortunately for you they are and the singing of them at a football match is a criminal offence for which people have been successfully prosecuted.

Seosamhh77, there was a time when I was quite in to football, and Celtic in particular. Patter like yours is exactly why I could no longer give a toss. What possible positive outcome do you foresee from your line of argument? No one outside Glasgow cares (especially on a cycling forum), and anyone that did care (or was indifferent), now doesn't as a result of your painful repetition.

Brycey - Member
Seosamhh77, there was a time when I was quite in to football, and Celtic in particular. Patter like yours is exactly why I could no longer give a toss. What possible positive outcome do you foresee from your line of argument? No one outside Glasgow cares (especially on a cycling forum), and anyone that did care (or was indifferent), now doesn't as a result of your painful repetition.

ps, you're not missed.

seosamh77 - Member

Unfortunately for you they are and the singing of them at a football match is a criminal offence for which people have been successfully prosecuted.

Can you show me the law where it states Irish songs are illegal? Looking for the specific part here...

The Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012 will come into force tomorrow (March, 1) to stamp out offensive and religious hatred at football.

The legislation responded to calls from Scotland's police and prosecutors and gives them additional tools to crack down on sectarian songs and abuse at and around football matches

ps, you're not missed

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THE Lord Advocate has issued fresh guidelines about what songs and chants will be illegal under the Scottish Government’s new anti-sectarian legislation in a move that has angered fans.

The guidance would seem to clarify that fans singing some of the most well-known songs sung on the football terraces will now face arrest. It is understood Mulholland’s guidance outlaws songs like the Billy Boys, [b]The Boys Of The Old Brigade[/b], the so-called Famine Song, and the chant “Ooh Ah, Up The Ra”, which is sung by Celtic supporters.

http://www.scotsman.com/scotland-on-sunday/politics/fans-anger-at-anti-sectarian-guidelines-that-will-sterilise-match-culture-1-2194917

TandemJeremy - Member

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2012/02/offensivebehaviour29022012

You know, I have a Glasgow(ish) Catholic upbringing but no real interest in football, other than an inherent bias towards the green and white half of the city (plus a passing interest in the wee red and yellow part).

I'm proud of both my Scottish and Irish heritage.

I find myself agreeing with seosamh77 here. I don't see anything particularly sectarian here. As someone with an Irish Catholic background, "fenian" for example is not offensive to me. It's just that it's normally followed up with something which is. Same goes for "tim".

In the same way, friends who support Rangers don't find "hun" any more offensive than "bluenose" or similar, as far as I know (maybe I'm wrong).

Celtic fans singing Irish songs is neither offensive, nor illegal. Singing IRA songs is both, and rightly so. "The Fields of Athenry" is probably less offensive to a protestant than, for example, "Flower of Scotland" is to an Englishman.

Turning that around, there are Rangers/Ulster songs which are offensive (actually, I'm not that easily offended - let's just call them distasteful) but if they want to sing Follow, Follow or whatever, then fine.

I don't know what some folk want? Total silence at games? Complete abandonment of history and tradition? 😐

As I said, I don't even have any real interest in football, I just find some of the attitudes here a bit weird.

This sort of stupidity perfectly sums up all that is bad about the old firm and a lot of the west of Scotland in general.
We've always done so it's ok.. Laughable.. And utterly pointless trying to engage.
Would post up a link to the official list of banned songs and I'm sure there'd be some old favourites in there seosamh77 but I honestly can't be bothered trying..
Oh well.

[url= http://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2012/1/contents/enacted ]The Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012[/url]

Along with the Guidance from the lord advocate that clearly shows singing the songs you think are acceptable at a football match is an offence

stevomcd

seosamh77 stated in the previous post that he considered "the boys of the old brigade"acceptable - its clearly an offense to sing this at a match under the laws above.

TJ, I've read these things, I'm still looking for the part that says you will be jailed if you sing irish songs. It doesn't exist.

I think he has a fair point as well Stevomcd; but it's not one that will ever be considered with his approach IMO.

As I said, I don't even have any real interest in football, I just find some of the attitudes here a bit weird.

Brycey - Member
I think he has a fair point as well Stevomcd; but it's not one that will ever be considered with his approach IMO.

I'm still looking for the part that says you will be jailed if you sing irish songs. It doesn't exist.

Similarly, I dare say there's no specific law to saw don't shoot squaddies when they're picking up a pizza but trust me, it's illegal

TJ, I've read these things, I'm still looking for the part that says you will be jailed if you sing [b]irish songs[/b]. It doesn't exist.

You're not really talking about Danny Boy or Dirty Old Town though

Sad state of affairs for the humble supporter again , the man that lives and breathes the club, turns up and pays a large chunck of his weekly wage just to be at the game is getting ****ed buy the moneygrabing coroprate idiots ..

The wider picture of this for all the sneering celtic fans is utimately your club no the whole league is ****ed .. there is hardly any money in it anymore anyway so who now will want to pay and watch a one horse race.

It is a specific offence to sing sectarian songs at football matches. this includes "the boys of the old brigade" which seosamh77 tinks is acceptable.

TJ - that was in a separate thread though?

I'll admit, I've had to go and google the full lyrics to see, but I actually don't see anything particularly harmful in that particular song. Borderline maybe, because of the IRA references - but the context is historical, rather than celebrating terrorism.

Can't quite think of a loyallist equivalent - The Sash maybe?

Probably fair to say that either has little place in football.

Probably fair to say that either has little place in football.

Honestly that's how silly this argument is.

Rangers gone? Great news. Celtic next, please!

Isn't Dirty Old Town about Salford??

It's not weird at all, it's a a convienient cover so they don't have to deal with the real issues in scottish society, but ho hum..

In what way is objecting to you glorifying the IRA at a football match avoiding dealing with the "real" issues in Scottish society? Please enlighten me,as you ARE one of those issues.