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I saw him in Sopron, Hungary only a few weeks ago. Unbelievable.
Already done, mods delete please
Nah delete the one I started as yours has a linky
Numb
He sang at Chris Cornell's funeral too. FFS.
41 is too young...
I'll admit that I've not listened to much of their new material, but their first two albums are brilliant.
Not a big fan of them, but still sad news. He had a good set of lungs on him.
🙁
I'm going to repeat my OH's Tweet:
Can we pls sort men's mental health out? Pls? Accept they have needs too? Listen when they reach out?
Our (Western World) approach and attitude towards mental health issues across the board (male or female) is absolutely dire. "But you don't look sick."
Sad loss. Meh.
Hard to hear that he's gone. I saw them live twice in 2008, the best was when they played the MK bowl with Jay-Z and did the whole mash up series.
Chester had an incredible set of pipes and will be sorely missed.
RIP
Bollox , another great musician with a troubled mind gone .
RIP .
Listen when they reach out?
Most folk won't spot that event taking place when/if it finally does. Sometimes an incredibly subtle expression, nonchalant almost.
Bit gutted about that. Still think Hybrid Theory is a great album.
If it was pre-planned suicide, they say that these troubled souls often become more cheerful than normal towards the end, as the torment of whether to take their own life has been resolved.
Rip.
Chris Cornell's birthday too 🙁
Sad news - I listened to Hybrid Theory for hours on end in my formative years. I'll try some of their newer stuff now I've been reminded how much I liked them.
first band I have in common with Klunk jnr 🙁
Sad indeed.
+1 for cougers oh tweet too.
Not really listened to LP for a while other than when it pops up on shuffle, but as a major Dance head growing up they were one of the few alternatives that struck a cord with me.
Just listened to One More Light of the same named album. Deep. Hope whatever is next he and so many others like him find peace. RIP.
Omfg. Loved thier work, and Chesters vocals. RIP.
I was having some teenage angst and was listening to LP yesterday. that sucks
RIP
The were the soundtrack to many nights in Portsmouth University students union when i was there in the early 2000s, and saw them live at Reading in 2003. So good live. RIP.
Hybrid Theory was album of my teens!This and gran turismo 2 on a ps1
RIP
Saw them a couple of weeks ago - gutted.
RIP Chester.
Great chorus, vocals/guitar sound awesome
RIP
Shit. Bollocks. 🙂
Oh man. Horrid news, great band, great singer. RIP. 🙁
Nothing more I can add to what's already been said. 🙁
Our (Western World) approach and attitude towards mental health issues across the board (male or female) is absolutely dire. "But you don't look sick."
The frequently undiscussed problem is that suicide rates for men are significantly higher than for women (globally, twice as many men as women take their own lives) because of how men are treated by society.
This documentary is really very good. Makes you think a lot about how, as a man, you interact with your friends and family. Almost every man I know who has watched it felt a resonance with their lives to a greater or lesser extent. Men's mental health would be well served in trying to deal with this.
Most folk won't spot that event taking place when/if it finally does. Sometimes an incredibly subtle expression, nonchalant almost.
It doesn't happen overnight but perhaps we could help more by listening all the time. Being there is something we should be doing for other people no matter when, not just at the tipping point. No slight intended on the families of anybody who takes their life, we are often our own worst enemies when trying to bottle things up rather than asking those around us to listen to our concerns, pressures and fears.
Thoughts with Chester's friends and family.
It doesn't happen overnight but perhaps we could help more by listening all the time.
That's not really the point I was trying to make. It's not about listening - plenty of folk will do that - it's more about the signs or the expression being obvious enough for your average person to spot, even those close to you.
Suicide has been an option brought to the table since I was seven - don't know why. I've had and still have treatment for my mental state but there have been times when I've left a small amount of breadcrumbs, once on this very forum in fact, that pass by without notice.
My point - even my partner didn't spot my most recent slip, it took a healthcare professional to see the unbalance. That on top of me thinking it's all just grist to the mill and not worth bothering folk with and almost being flippant about feeling as I do because it feels so much a part of my decision process, it's easy to see why it can fly under the radar.
And mods - before you think it'd be cool to pull this post, stop and have a ****ing think about what I might be trying to say and not how you interpret it.
teasel - not trying to diminish your problems of course. I've got friends and family who've had mental issues that have led down some fairly dark paths. The problem with several of them is that nobody thought to get involved earlier before the problems got really bad and even when it did, some people found it challenging to just be around for people. Listening to their problems or just being there for a coffee was something they struggled to find someone for.
I was just trying to express that it isn't JUST at the tipping point where we should be involved in those around us to help stop hitting the bottom.
some people found it challenging to just be around for people. Listening to their problems or just being there for a coffee was something they struggled to find someone for.
's weird, I just took my partner to work and we were having this sort of discussion and that's almost exactly how she put it. A lot of people find it difficult if they have no experience of mental health problems. My own dad was awful - swearing and telling me to man the **** up, everyone has problems they just don't go moping around etc. It can range from that to [i]I can't help, can you not just see a professional*[/i], which is wholly understandable.
But yes, the tipping point (which is too late) can be a moment of calm as NOTG wrote above. It would be nice to think it can be spotted before then and dealt with effectively.
There's three people that have replied on this thread that have met me in person and once or twice at a time when I was truly busted and on the edge but I'll put money on none of them realising it at the time. Me talking about me simply wasn't pertinent - maybe it's a cultural thing...
*Edit : I think it also scares people you share with, especially if they don't like to "think too deeply" about things in general. Sometimes it's as if they fear they'll get dragged into my world and TBH I fear that happening, too - that can put the kibosh on the whole process.
With one of my friends, his best friend treated it like he had a contagious disease. I was one of the few people who'd get off my arse and go and see him. He didn't want to talk about "it"** as he had his family and professional help but he did want to feel vaguely normal and sitting in a crap cafe drinking awful coffee and eating a bacon butty talking about last night's TV helped that normality according to him and his wife. The unpleasant truth is that they went to great lengths to thank me for helping because their experience was that most people wouldn't or couldn't beyond telling him he needed to get professional help as you've also said.
** I'd have been perfectly happy to talk to him about his illness but beyond forcing him to tolerate my "How's the treatment going? How are you feeling today?" questions, I left it to him to bring it up.
I'd have been perfectly happy to talk to him about his illness but beyond forcing him to tolerate my "How's the treatment going? How are you feeling today?" questions, I left it to him to bring it up.
That's nice and just about the right amount of concern. Sometimes it helps just to know someone is cool with it but there should you need them.
It reads like you're a good person, Atlaz.
It reads like you're a good person, Atlaz.
Not my intention 🙂
Probably my favourite vocalist of recent years. Always amazed me how he go have such a fantastic 'singing' voice to then screaming his head off and still be perfectly in tune.
1st song of theirs I heard on MTV which is still one of my all time favourite songs. It just hit a spot with me and is a perfect showcase for what he could do:
RIP Chester 🙁
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Not a Linkin' Park fan, but it's another likely preventable death of a middle aged man that is related to mental health. I think in ours and certainly American culture, that the general population still lack awareness and capability to deal with mental health issues.
Ultimately though, the sadness is really about a family losing someone dear to them...
Although clearly very successful (did I hear "70M albums sold" on the radio this morning?) I think there are lots of people who aren't Linkin Park fans (count me as one) who thought he was not only a damn fine singer, but also that he seemed like a really decent human being.
While I won't be listening to any LP, I had a few of his other performances up on YouTube last night.
RIP
Listening to One more light today with a strange perspective into the lyrics 🙁
RIP
jamj1974 - MemberNot a Linkin' Park fan, but it's another likely preventable death of a middle aged man that is related to mental health. I think in ours and certainly American culture, that the general population still lack awareness and capability to deal with mental health issues.
Genuine question, are there other cultures that deal better with mental health issues?
I was never a Linkin Park fan, just a little to old metal when nu metal came out but the guy could sing and they certainly seemed like one of the more genuine bands to come out of that movement.
Such sad news to hear, makes a number of his lyrics all the more haunting now.
Genuine question, are there other cultures that deal better with mental health issues?
I'm not sure, this is the culture I have most experience of...
The first CD my son ever had was by Linkin Park (Transformers film fan) one which he would listen to on repeat, so they'll always be part of the soundtrack of his childhood. Always sad when your heroes can be so fragile.
Probably there's lots of countries that do it better than the UK and lots that do it worse. Something is definitely wrong where men are concerned though.
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/20/britain-male-suicide-rate-tragedy-failure ]From the Guardian:[/url]
Female suicides in 1981- 2466
Female suicides in 2012 - 1391
Male suicides in 1981 - 4129
Male suicides in 2012 - 4590
Horrifying.
atlaz - MemberProbably there's lots of countries that do it better than the UK and lots that do it worse. Something is definitely wrong where men are concerned though.
Looking at the [i]WHO[/i] list on wikipedia it appears the UK is actually one of the better places to be regarding suicide rates (123 out of 183 countries listed). It didn't surprise me at all to see that Ireland was 63rd on the list.
Suicide in the U.S ( also from wikipedia )
The annual age-adjusted suicide rate is 13.26 per 100,000 individuals.Men die by suicide 3.5x more often than women.
Women attempt suicide 3x more often than men.
On average, there are 121 suicides per day.
White males accounted for 7 of 10 suicides in 2015.
Firearms account for almost 50% of all suicides.
The rate of suicide is highest in middle age—white men in particular.
Had this video pop up on my YouTube feed from an interview with him earlier this year, it's quite sad now listening back to the things he was saying 😥
I haven't listened to any of their recent stuff but hybrid theory and meteora where always in my car to listen to back in the early 2000's.
And the cover of Adele's rolling in the deep is better than the original in my opinion 8)
I often read these sorts of threads and worry. I don't know how to look out for signs of depression/mental issues which might lead to this sort of thing. And I think that's the same for most people. How can you tell? I want to find out how to spot these sorts of things as I think I should educate myself so I'm not one of those people who lose a close friend and say afterwards "I never knew anything was wrong".
I don't know that you would unless you were a very close friend or family member. That's not to say that you shouldn't try of course but my understanding is that people are very good at hiding things.
I read a quote from Chester on another forum regarding his drug use. I can't find it now but something along the lines of "wake up, smoke meth, smoke crack, be paranoid all day then smoke opium to deal with the paranoia".
Was sad to hear this as recently got my eleven year daughter into linkin park and she has been loving the angst in thier music. Thought it might be a band we could go and see together. I guess not now but his legacy lives on, still providing an outlet for others feelings in his music
Very sad when someone carries such demons and doesn't know or perhaps trust anyone to help.
Until yesterday when a work colleague mentioned Chester's death, I'd never heard of Linkin Park. I've no idea if I've ever heard any of their music. Reading the BBC piece I realised that I'd never heard of the term/genre "rap metal" either.
whitestoneUntil yesterday when a work colleague mentioned Chester's death, I'd never heard of Linkin Park. I've no idea if I've ever heard any of their music.
I'm sure you've heard them, they were an absolutely massive band and got a lot of mainstream radio play as well as featuring on tons of film and game sountracks. 72 credits according to imdb.
Reading the BBC piece I realised that I'd never heard of the term/genre "rap metal" either.
"Nu metal" would have been the more common phrase, but nu metal or rap metal were only really relevant to differentiate the "new" types of metal that emerged in the mid 90s from the more established kinds of metal. Not a phrase or term you would need to use or come across unless you liked "metal" music.
I probably have on film soundtracks without realising it. Don't do computer games (the Halo, Call of Duty type) so unlikely on that score and I'm way outside the target age range of stations like Radio 1. Looking at the list of IMDB credits, I've actually only seen one of those films or TV series.
So what I think you are trying to say is that you're not down wiff da yoof? 😉
( [i]And by yoof I mean people in their late 30s or early 40s who were teenagers when Linkin Park hit it big[/i])
I've not been down wid da yoof for thirty or forty years 😳
Back on subject - having been witness to an attempted suicide and known people who've committed suicide or the partners of those who have, it's nearly always come as a shock with little indication from the deceased that anything was wrong.
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