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This is karma at its finest.
Sorry I can't post a link up because I'm rubbish, but maybe someone else will be kind enough to?
So rhino poacher gets no sympathy but girl who goes off to live with IS fighters who kill people and then has a kid and wants to come back when the going gets tough does?
Hmmm.
I also enjoy gloating whenever I hear about criminals getting killed trying to commit their crimes. Housebreakers falling off buildings, arsonists getting burned alive, tax evaders in freak paper shredder accidents, etc. The more ironic the better as far as I'm concerned.
Let's celebrate the deaths of all law-breakers!
Eddie you know the difference between a child and an adult? That.
Yeah, and what about Piers Morgan? No one has any sympathy for him.
Yes, but how can we get the elephant and the lion into the GMB studios without anyone getting suspicious?
Rhino poacher eaten by lions....
Give it a day or two for the lions digestive system to do it’s thang and you can indulge yourself in some schatenfreude.
Eddie you know the difference between a child and an adult? That.
And do you know what pressures may have been on the poacher? #THAT TOO
Give it a day or two for the lions digestive system to do it’s thang and you can indulge yourself in some schatenfreude.
Hut.
A brilliant story. Just wonderful.
This is karma at its finest.
So is he coming back as a rat?
As a rhino, surely.
And do you know what pressures may have been on the poacher?
Yes, the desire to earn lots of money by slaughtering rare and endangered animals.
Se also: fur trade and wild big cats, whaling, pangolins...
I wouldn't wish a horrible death on anyone, poacher or not. I'd wish he'd seen the error of his ways and given up on the terrible buisness, howether unlikely that would be. But his death was purely a result of his own misadventure, not something I'll loose sleep over.
If you spend your time comparing every story with another unrelated, random story, how do you decide whether to care about anything?
If the west hadn't helped contribute to the instability in Africa, there would be less poaching. Poaching levels drop when peoples standards of living go up, it's all very well gloating over the poacher getting trampled to death when your kids go to a decent school and have food security.
poaching goes up because there is a demand for ivory, pangolin scales, shark fins, with gullible rich folk paying stupid money. How do you stop them?
Send in the elephants?
The lions must have been desperate to chow down on something quite so unpleasant.
Hopefully the elephants didn't quite do the job, and mr lion did!
poaching goes up because there is a demand for ivory, pangolin scales, shark fins, with gullible rich folk paying stupid money. How do you stop them
Yes.
But like the drug trade, people don't tend to engage in criminality if they have a decent standard of living. More so if alternatives, eg tourism provide better alternatives.
poaching goes up because there is a demand for ivory, pangolin scales, shark fins, with gullible rich folk paying stupid money. How do you stop them?
Industrial elephant farming?
But like the drug trade, people don’t tend to engage in criminality if they have a decent standard of living. More so if alternatives, eg tourism provide better alternatives.
This would be true to a certain extent, but some people want far more than any normal even well paid job could provide.
"On the black market in South Africa, the horn of the white rhino sells for up to $3,000 a pound, according to Groenewald, but on Asian black markets it wholesales for five to 10 times that, and retail prices can go up "
A Rhino horn can weigh 4lbs $12,000 per horn is a huge incentive, especially in Africa where average wages are a fraction of what they are in the West. My guess is as long as the demand exists there'll always be poachers regardless of local economic conditions.
Dashed decent of the elephants to tenderise the lion's meal for him...
This is karma at its finest.
Agreed. I'm with Ricky Gervais on this.
We should start a tradition that ground poachers cock cures all ills.
Wheras this is whataboutery at its finest:
So rhino poacher gets no sympathy but girl who goes off to live with IS fighters who kill people and then has a kid and wants to come back when the going gets tough does?
Hmmm.
I am interested in finding out at what point gloating over a criminal dying stops being tasteless.
A drug dealer dying of a drug overdose?
A burglar breaking his neck falling off a building while trying to rob it?
Someone who crashes and dies while doing 33 mph in a 30 zone?
A red light jumper getting run over?
Maybe STW can come up with the definitive list of what crimes are reprehensible enough that it's OK to go 'I'm glad you died a horrific death, mother****er.'
The gloating is interesting given how left this place generally is.
I suppose it's not quite like supporting the death penalty but there are similarities.
See also: bike thieves.
Killing animals is unnecessary full stop. You don't need to eat meat, you don't need to use rhino horn etc,. Not sure why people seem to think killing one animal is bad (rhino) whereas killing another animal (cow) is absolutely fine as you fancy a burger. And likewise why someone who kills rhinos is less worthy of living than someone who kills cows.
killing another animal (cow) is absolutely fine as you fancy a burger
Uh-huh. That how it works eh? You guys kill me. (But just for sport, obvs)
Set the pangolins on the Chinese (the FO or the Daily Mail will foot the bill for pangolin transport) and then the demand will be taken out of the equation. Similarly with cocaine users in the posh parts of that London.
I'm just impressed that the lions took hos trousers off before eating him, unless they had other ideas of course, the filthy animals... #necrophillialions
A cow being killed gets used for food and leather. A rhino is killed, has its horn lobbed off and the rest is left. No excuse for that.
And yes, sometimes I do fancy a burger.
A cow being killed gets used for food and leather. A rhino is killed, has its horn lobbed off and the rest is left. No excuse for that.
So the problem people have here is that the whole animal is not used? And because of that it is funny if someone is killed by an animal whereas if they had used the whole animal it wouldn't be funny?
Similarly with cocaine users in the posh parts of that London.
Bit of a myth that it's solely the middle classes that drive cocaine consumption.
This would be true to a certain extent, but some people want far more than any normal even well paid job could provide.
“On the black market in South Africa, the horn of the white rhino sells for up to $3,000 a pound, according to Groenewald, but on Asian black markets it wholesales for five to 10 times that, and retail prices can go up ”
A Rhino horn can weigh 4lbs $12,000 per horn is a huge incentive, especially in Africa where average wages are a fraction of what they are in the West. My guess is as long as the demand exists there’ll always be poachers regardless of local economic conditions.
How much of the black market price actually goes to the poacher? I have read 5k per KG. How many KG can an average poacher be expected to reap in a year? What is that profit then used to fund? If it is to fund insurgency, terrorism and war lords then those high profits are still very much related to economic development. Improved economic development also leads to better funding of law enforcement and consequently less law enforcement corruption, which drives up prices for suppliers.
Do you see anyone poaching Grizzly Bear cock in Canada?
No.
Because people don't feel the need to risk being mauled by big **** off bears or getting shot up by mounties for 5k.
Killing animals is unnecessary full stop. You don’t need to eat meat, you don’t need to use rhino horn etc,. Not sure why people seem to think killing one animal is bad (rhino) whereas killing another animal (cow) is absolutely fine as you fancy a burger. And likewise why someone who kills rhinos is less worthy of living than someone who kills cows.
Well, for starters cows aren't at the borderline of extinction yet. So from non-hippy, purely utilitarian perspective, you have to weigh up whether humans like Rhino horn more than they like having Rhinos around or whether the loss of Rhino is an ecological or scientific disaster that threatens human development or security.
On the black market in South Africa, the horn of the white rhino sells for up to $3,000 a pound,
Bloody Rhinos.
Always charging more.
There are a lot more cows than there are wild rhinos could be part of the reason it upsets people. I draw the line at not laughing at death when the person doesn’t die under piss funny or ironic circumstances. If you can’t see the humour in this I honestly pity you.
Can you imagine the crackling you would get on a spit roast rhino?
Wonder what Rhino tastes like 🧐
Chicken.
To be honest, I can't feel sorry for someone who is obviously aware of the risks involved in killing this magnificent animal just for financial gain. To me it's the same as a person who steals birds eggs, getting attacked by a crow and falling off a cliff. They don't have to do it.
So the problem people have here is that the whole animal is not used? And because of that it is funny if someone is killed by an animal whereas if they had used the whole animal it wouldn’t be funny?
No. Are you American? I ask, because Americans are always said to not understand irony.
You clearly don’t understand irony.
Or kharma, for that matter.
Or kharma, for that matter.
Mmmm. Rhino korma.
Wonder what Rhino tastes like
Horned beef?
I was thinking it would taste more piggy. They look closer to pigs than cows. They are distant relatives of the horse though so there is an outside chance that they’ll taste a bit like Tesco value lasagna from 2013
I assume they taste a lot like stegosaurus, which I remember trying at Kubla Khan's Mongolian Barbeque Restaurant in Leith in 2004. Quite chewy. Still nicer than the bloody shark.
I draw the line at not laughing at death when the person doesn’t die under piss funny or ironic circumstances. If you can’t see the humour in this I honestly pity you.
You spent too much time listening to Alanis Morissette when you were growing up.
Wait, you're not American are you?
Either way you should definitely have your irony meter checked.
I didn’t say that this particular death was ironic. Funny though (not for the poacher obviously).
No. Are you American? I ask, because Americans are always said to not understand irony.
You clearly don’t understand irony.
Or kharma, for that matter.
I fully understand irony and kharma. I also understand casual racism.
What I don't understand is why people value a rhino above a cow and judge the murderers of the animals differently.
Would you all be glad that a beef farmer was trampled to death by cows (still has an element of kharma)
What I don’t understand is why people value a rhino above a cow and judge the murderers of the animals differently.
Current world population of domestic cattle: 1.4 Billion.
Current world population of Northern White Rhinoceros: 2
And we'd probably still think it was funny if a cattle rustler got trampled by cows then eaten by coyotes.
What I don’t understand is why people value a rhino above a cow and judge the murderers of the animals differently.
Would you all be glad that a beef farmer was trampled to death by cows (still has an element of kharma)
Morality, you're doing it wrong.
I value a rhino above not only a cow but also above any human who would kill a rhino. Hope that makes you feel better. I'd also value the life of a cow above the life of someone who would attack and disable it and then maybe chop bits out of its head with a machete while its still alive.
For the record I'm not against hunting deer for food or killing cows and chickens for meat (although I would demand they are treated decently), but I am against killing bluefin tuna for money, rhinos for horn, elephants for tusks, and giant tortoises for buckets (I hope thats not a thing).
Some of these things are not like the others, and proudly building yourself a fundamentalist moral maze is not convincing anyone of your moral superiority (as demonstrated here).
Pretty much anytime a person gets eaten by animals, it's funny.
Current world population of Northern White Rhinoceros: 2
So I could eat one without making them (immediately) extinct...
good news. Karma in action. I do not understand who buys this stuff. It's just awful.
And we’d probably still think it was funny if a cattle rustler got trampled by cows then eaten by coyotes.
Yes, yes we would 👍🏼
Current world population of domestic cattle: 1.4 Billion.
Current world population of Northern White Rhinoceros: 2
The irony being if Rhinos were tastier than cows those numbers would be reversed.
For many medium/Large animals the reality on this overcrowded planet is that if mankind doesn't want want to eat you, extinction is on the cards.
In contrast to sea creatures where it's the other way round.
Some of these things are not like the others, and proudly building yourself a fundamentalist moral maze is not convincing anyone of your moral superiority (as demonstrated here).
Not trying to be morally superior. I just don't value one animal above another. Animals and plants go extinct all the time and nobody cares about them but a rhino is different? Sorry just don't get it, nothing to do with morality and more about hypocrisy and falsely valuing animals based on what you want to do with them. Eating good, using horn bad - end result dead animal
The gloating is interesting given how left this place generally is.
There's no glass ceiling in the Overton Window.
I'm not sure that the simple act of 'gloating' is politically partisan.
Leaning 'left' or 'right', love of animals may momentarily unite two people via a good sesh of gloaty gloating?
At least until pause then begin pointing fingers at each other for being 'hypocritical'
'And they're off...'
hol2
His own fault. It says he was trying to breed with it...
Seriously though, cassowaries are the bad tempered T-Rex of the bird world. No way would I want to upset one. They'll catch you, even on the bike, and lay you open.
This is how it begins......
First the lions, then the massive chickens. Before you know it
And it will still be really funny