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are they suddenly becoming a majority or where they always there under the kerb.
Had bread thrown over car, for birds to peck at, had eggs thrown at windscreen, had angry men and women telling me its their space, theyre going to call the police, etc,had idiots parking with 6 inches of rear door, or knocking at the house im working at, to say theyre having an invisible item of furniture delivered that never arrives, or best of all, being told to move my car, when i didnt even have one on the street that day, as i cycled to the job.
I do love the parks within 6 inches clowns
I adopt paris parking rules in those cases. Generally i am not gonna come off too bad i have black bumpers. Often they are made of steel,
I was on the opposite side though . Had a lad in a golf park up between my drive and the road end. Told him not to park there got told . I pay my taxes ill, park where ever i want.
Farmer then dragged his trailer down it turning into the street.
I got the blame despite the only car on my property being a rolling chassis. - and it had been the whole day.
The world has always been full of nobbers who think they own the space outside their house
More cars/fewer spaces may be making this worse.
My good lady wife got a load of foul mouthed abuse from someone who told her she wasnt allowed to park outside her house to go to Tesco Express when it's car park was full.
Wrong woman to pick on. She firmly pointed out the absence of parking restrictions and made sure she wasted a few extra minutes in there.
I've noticed an isolated few places where residents have put "no parking in road outside this house" signs on houses. Bonkers.
I got my car keyed once actually outside a friends house in pitlochry, there was a no parking sign in the hedge.
I saw the curtains twitch when i got back.....
Tbh you would think that all the panels on the car having a dent or a big scratch in would show how much i care.....,,
Irs just a car.
had angry men and women telling me its their space, theyre going to call the police, etc,
tell them to call the police.
sheltered accomodation complex, eg granny flats, old biddie and her mates shouted like a choir from the windows, we dont allow vans to park on our car park, to which i responded get someone else to fix your neighbours broken door then, their neighbour want happy to have no joiner to fix her door.
I had an angry note left on my car saying that they knew I wasn't a local resident and if I parked there again they would call the police.
Some people are just bellends. WTF do they actually think the police will do?
"Hello officer, I'd like to report a car parked legally on the road outside my house."
It's hard enough to find a spare polis to investigate [i]actual[/i] crimes without making new ones up!
My dad does actually own the road outside his house (non-adopted,private road, more pothole than road)
I still get snotty notes from one of his neighbours when I go to visit and park outside his house.
I got my car keyed once actually outside a friends house...
Me too last year. Since then her daughter has also dented the same panels and my daughter dragged her bike handlebars down it. I'm gonna be hammered when I hand it back to the lease company..,
We've got residents parking scheme as of this week, but I live slap bang in the middle of town, and expected issues when we bought the house. Worst thing is the folk that leave their car for a week whilst they go and get bladdered in Spain for a week.
I try not to let it bother me, as it could easily spiral, and I could see myself getting too involved, life's too short.
People who park their car right over the kerb, so much so I and others have to walk along the middle of the road because the pavement is blocked, do my nut in!
Think of the pensioners and the parents with kids (possibly in pram, maybe on kids bike)!!
I get hassle when I visit the gf especially if I'm in a van.
There are 12 end on spaces outside and as it's cooncil there are no assigned spaces. Two of the flats own 1 car each and even those who don't own a car complain. It is always empty.
Last time I was there in a long Luton and parked across three spaces to ensure access was clear. They went mental kicking the front door and shouting. We had to call police. Together we parked "properly" and access was greatly restricted. Bullying ****ers.
Morons over the road from us have 3 cars, room for all 3 on their drive side by side yet leave them parked outside other people's houses and also leave the road directly outside of their house free of any car. Entitled much, inconsiderate arseholes. They seem to be growing in number. & don't even get me started on the lazy bastards that can't be arsed to park a few hundred metres from the school and walk in but then park on the pavements in the tiny school carpark so that people with pushchairs (me!) have to walk in the road to get to the gate avaoiding other lazy bastards trying to park and are late!
possibly in pram
I may have, accidentally, bumped a wing mirror or 2 trying to get past them when pushing the pram..
I used to live in a shared house with street parking. I cam home and there was no parking available on our street. none on the next street and none on the next street. Given that I was getting in at 8pm and going out again at 6am i parked in the back alley. Came back to a postcard inviting me to a meet and greet with a prominent tory politician of the time. I was a bit bemused, chucked it in the door pocket and carried on my merry way. A month later when i cleaned the car out I found it was an angry "don't park here" note. People are odd.
I've put little wood posts up to stop people parking on the grass verge. They get properly chewed up and look horrible.
Park on the road outside my house if you like but not on the verge.
Am I a bad person?
Am I a bad person?
Maybe, but you'll need to do better than that.
"Am I a bad person?" Yes but not because of your wood.
I park outside my own house to stop others parking there, it also slows down would be speeders and keep space on the drive free for visitors.
I park outside my own house to stop others parking there, it also slows down would be speeders and keep space on the drive free for visitors.
Christ.
On
A
Bike
we have parking issues on our street 🙁
I'm one of the fortunate residents who owns a garage up the private lane next to our flats
I'm still bewildered by the neighbour who occasionally leaves a note on my windscreen telling me that I can't park outside my own garage because there's a 'no parking' sign on the garage door
I know!! I put the bloody sign there 🙂
I have another neighbour who's got a death wish though......
He's a frail old bugger with a large double driveway and a double garage but he's quite nonchalantly abandoned an old suzuki jeep up the lane and parks his other 4x4 there on a daily basis leaving his driveway and garages empty..
On the plus side they do put all their unwanted gear out on the street corner with a sign saying 'free to a good home' instead of taking it to the charity shop... I picked up quite a nice antique chinese rug the other day as a result of their community spirit 🙂
@ wilburt Why stop others using something that you dont use?
WHy not just park there when you have visitors?
If you really want to wind up entitled car owners, try parking a cargo bike in a parking space. It's hilarious. I've had people actually try to nudge me out of the way with their bumper.
Our road is blessed with a parking note writer. There are enough spaces, just, on most of the drives for folk's cars. However a couple of blokes on the street have trades vans too. These have gotten somebody's goat and a tit for tat passive aggressive note war is now underway.
I rather think life is too short for that nonsense but then we have 1 car fewer than we have spaces on our drive.
All the 'old' houses on our street have driveways and room to park more cars than you could ever want, you could go get 9 on ours without touching the grass if you tried. The new builds have less or none.
Which is fine except when someone in the gated road next door has visitors staying, usually arriving in a great big Volvo 4x4 that blocks out the light of the sun and parks between our driveway and the gated road (they presumably don't get enough remote keys) also blocking the view of anyone trying to get out of the road or our driveway.
You bought the sodding 600k house without a driveway, stop foisting your lack of foresight on me!
Not sure which is more annoying, the ones that do it blocking the pavement, or the ones that block the road.
Then there's match day, we must be 2 miles at least, nearer 3 from the stadium, yet people will fill our road to avoid paying 50p for the park and ride half a mile away!
I wouldn't have option because someone else would be parked there.
I could remove some hedgerow and drop a section of curb giving extra space on my property and lose the street parking for anyone but that would cost both money and be the loss of a nice hedge without any real gain to me and loss to the public.
So my method works and has the added advantage of slowing traffic which isn't actually much the occasional delivery driver or stressed parent on a school run perhaps but definitely slowed.
There is ample free parking within 100 metres and not outside anyone's house.
Used to live on a terrace in the grim industial parts, had a van and car most of the time, whoever was last back had to hark around the corner or even at the back of the CoOp, not an issue. Later there was just me and the neighbours opposite now had 2 cars. They seemed to never leave the house at all, the only entry to the house was the front door through a gap in the wall. Had to ask loads of times for them to move so I could get things like a washing machine in. Their response - there was nowhere else to park - so pointed out all the places I used which were more than 50m from their door. Final straw one morning was bin day, they had parked within 6" of the entrance hard enough to get me and my work bag out so I snapped and wrote the note of threats!!
Basically next time I can't get my bin put out because of your crap parking I'll not be so carful lifting it over your car.
My parents live down a dead-end lane with a 180 degree turn at the bottom of a hill where you can park a small car without problem, the locals have done for years happily sharing it. A new family moved in from London to the house on the street with no parking whatsoever as it used to belong to an old guy who never drove so he had made his drive into a lovely rose garden. This new family have three big cars so rather than converting the drive back into use they have claimed the corner spot for their shiny ML, despite having to regularly move it to let the bin lorry and delivery drivers through. It's not so shiny anymore!!
I have had to deal with them a few times when visiting my parents and parking there, had the usual notes etc. It's people like them that make me glad I live in a flat with a numbered parking bay.
Never live anywhere without off road parking and never with shared parking. Life is too short
We have a large section of pavement outside our house with double yellows of the road. It's not the parking that annoys me. It's more the leaving engine running, blasting out music and parking am inch from my door that gets me. The mentality of "oh doubled yellow lines. Best park on the pavement then" is also unbelievable.
I've been out and had words more times than I can remember. I've even developed a technique! Leave by back door and approach car from back, then wrap on the window and watch driver jump. Calmly explain that if they don't turn music down / engine off / give me reasonable access to my own front door, I'll go upstairs and drop something heavy out of the window directly above their vehicles.
Our road is blessed with a parking note writer. There are enough spaces, just, on most of the drives for folk's cars. However a couple of blokes on the street have trades vans too. These have gotten somebody's goat and a tit for tat passive aggressive note war is now underway.
I'm surprised that you hve similar problems over in the States.
Our streets offer free parking for workers and shoppers, some of these people think that they can rant at residents when we don't free up parking spaces for them. 🙄
Not parking but still note related. A street near me, has a bus stop outside someones house, not a fancy covered stop, just a post with bus stop on it. The person whose house it is outside has put a notice in the window telling people not to wait at the bus stop outside the house. The notice is the side of a big cardboard box and just about fills the window 😯
I'm seriously considering renting out half our drive. We are down to one car, but have parking for two. Might offer it to the next person who parks an inch from my front door. Never understood note writing, scratching cars etc. If there's a genuine issue and it's not just people thinking they own the road, just go talk to the person.
funkmasterp - MemberI'm seriously considering renting out half our drive. We are down to one car, but have parking for two. Might offer it to the next person who parks an inch from my front door. Never understood note writing, scratching cars etc. If there's a genuine issue and it's not just people thinking they own the road, just go talk to the person.
Less risk involved to leave a note, actual physical confrontation can lead down a scary path given previous media coverage of events where people have been killed. You never know how the other person will react.
Back to the topic though, this is exactly why I would never buy a house without my own parking space/drive. We waited longer to save up for a detached house with a big drive on a cul de sac nowhere near anything for anyone to have a need to park outside ours, for the very reasons stated in this thread. Hell even the places we rented before buying had that as a clear requirement. Can't be doing with the hassle of terraced street housing and fighting to park outside your own house etc.
My mum came to visit once and parked outside next doors house, the chap who lives there parked literally 5cm from her car and boxed her in - mentalist.
Also over the road there's an old lady who asks me every other day whether the parked car outside her house belongs to me because it's not hers and it's outside her house.
Seriously people need to find something better to do, it's pathetic.
Don't get me started on inconsiderate parkers - boils my piss 👿
I came home late lastnight and had to park 25-50m away from my front door! 👿
We have a [s]large section of pavement[/s] [i]wide footway[/i] outside our house with double yellows [s]of the road[/s][i]on the carriageway[/i].
By default the double yellow lines apply from the centreline of the carriageway to the back of the highway, including the footway. So you can get enforcement for footway parking adjacent to the double yellow lines. Although if they are only there for a few minutes to drop off/pick up then that is 'stopping' rather than 'waiting' so not in contravention of the no waiting restriction of the yellow lines.
Leaving engine running inappropriately is a separate offence.
I came home late lastnight and had to park 25-50m away from my front door! 👿
1stworldproblems
a guy on our street has a sign "no parking private property" on a wall at the back of his house (Newcastle, we have back lanes)
I make a point of parking there.
Next door neighbour is bonkers. Moves his 5 series off his drive once a week to go to Waitrose. But actively discourages his partner parking across the drive so she parks across the street. Recently his daughter visited and had the bare faced cheek to park across the drive. He asked her to move it "just in case I need to go out" which he wouldn't as he'd already done the Waitrose run. So she moves it, and promptly reverses into the curb opposite wrecking the wheel and tyre. Cost a pretty penny to sort. Dad admitted he had a slight feeling of guilt! Just can't fathom him out.
When I'm president of the disunited kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, I will ban parking on the street or extend car ownership only to those people who have driveways. It's getting ridiculous the amount of public space that is devoted to storing people's cars.
[b]I wouldn't have option because someone else would be parked there.[/b][b]So my method works and has the added advantage of slowing traffic [/b]which isn't actually much the occasional delivery driver or stressed parent on a school run perhaps but definitely slowed.
There is ample free parking within 100 metres and not outside anyone's house.
Presumably it would still work if someone else was parked there then?
And if you have visitors would it really kill them to put one foot in front of the other?
Seriously, people who fill up the road rather than their own drive get my goat.
Not sure why I read all of this, I've lived on several streets where you might have to park 20-30 meters from your house as there aren't that many spaces. You have legs, you can do it.
My ex-neighbour was (is?) obsessed with parking. I'd been in the house less than a day before he came around demanding I moved the car, citing a load of rubbish about how he needed to unload his children right outside the front door. Then he moved to passive-aggressive notes, and he positioned his wheely bins against the bumpers.
The best thing he ever did though was to buy a knackered old Golf, tax and insure it and dump it outside his own house to ensure no one ever parked outside. I used to laugh every time I walked past.
Now live somewhere where parking is genuinely tight, we all share the space and my new neighbour even has my spare car key so she can move mine out of the way if she needs to get in her garage.
possibly in pramI may have, accidentally, bumped a wing mirror or 2 trying to get past them when pushing the pram..
I find you don't need a pram to bash mirrors, my elbows are just the correct height.....
Parking can be awkward round mine, I've a couple of shops nearby and customers just dump their cars anywhere, even across my dropped kerb. Bit Victor Meldrew, but I've a car and a van so I've always got one parked across the dropped kerb when I'm out in the other, ensures I can get in my access and saves space on the street.
My mate lives on a street with terraced houses at one end, semi at the other and he has the only drive on the street on which he parks his van. He once parked his van outside his own house as he had another vehicle on his drive only for a day or two as the tax had run out and he was selling it.
Someone on his street got his mobile number of the side of his van, rang him on withheld number and roasted him for parking on the street 😯
Mental.
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When I'm president of the disunited kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, I will ban parking on the street or extend car ownership only to those people who have driveways. It's getting ridiculous the amount of public space that is devoted to storing people's cars.
Best solution to this is make a parking tax that has an exemption if yo have off street parking and make this tax at the average land value for the area. Why you have the right to occupy publicly owned land for free amazes me. this is one of the hidden subsidies to drivers. I often cannot get my bike out of my house onto the road without travelling along the pavement due to all cars parked outside my house.
Don't park outside my house, park outside your own house!
Was how I explained my objection to the neighbour when they parked their horse transporter/truck outside my place.
My front door is ~1M from the property boundary, with no footpath, but a curb ~0.5M further.
So their truck was ~1.3M from my door, blocking light entering the sitting room window.
Plain inconsiderate.
I blame the local authority permitting developers to cram properties onto a development to the point where it causes problems. Garage is too small to put a medium sized car in, households with multiple cars. Its going to cause issues.
Misguided planning authorities thinking if they permit developers to build a brick shed and call it a garage. That somehow this will reduce/deter car ownership.
When I park, I don't get hassled, but then, I park considerately.
I love living in the middle of nowhere. With lots of space.
Only time I've had parking issues (unloading firewood on our single lane road) the two neighbours who couldn't get past got out of their cars and helped me unload. And stack it all.
Dont you need off street parking to own a car in some cities in Japan?
I park considerately and if the place outside my house becomes free , the last thing I'm doing is moving it - but the behaviours of others sometimes boils my urine.
The horrible swine who lives next door to my mother,(he happens to be a Vicar! ffs)gets his wife to take up two spaces when he leaves to got to Church!Everyday.
Then there's the lady over the road from me that puts cones out to reserve her place as she drives to the Heath to walk her dog. For half an hour.
I'm thinking of stealing the cones one day...ha.
Oh - and the cockwombles who park two cars in three spaces. grrr.
Seriously, people who fill up the road rather than their own drive get my goat.
Better your goat is got than mine.
We've got a few neighbours that get the hump about it, otherwise normal people too. Then on Saturdays we get the influx of nonagenarian farmers parking across the middle of the road and knocking every buggers wing mirrors off. They are swines for parking in the middle of a space big enough for two but then again if they tried to get in a one car space it'd take most of the day and they'd collect most of the paint the cars eith er side in the process, so maybe it's better to just shrug and pop another diazepam.
I came home late lastnight and had to park 25-50m away from my front door!
That would be close for me!
Hah. I had a neighbour threaten to strangle me when I parked outside his house the night I moved into a shared house once. I told him to F off. It just made me park thete more often after that.It was the start of a lovely relationship, which culminated in him trying to knock a friend of his bike. He regretted that one. Other than that I've had no issues anywhere, and I'm planning to extend our drive to get both cars off the street.
An anomaly in road markings if you will has created somewhat of an off road parking space two doors up from my Mum's - The lady (nutter) who has commandeered it sees said space as so irrefutably hers that she even listed her property as having offroad parking with the Estate Agent!
Used to live in a semi on the road to quite a popular country park. Both ourselves and our baby boomer neighbours had enough driveway space, so rarely had to park on the road. This meant that sometimes people visiting the country park would park outside our houses. In 4 years, my drive was partially blocked once. The neighbours took it upon themselves to paint a big white line in the road covering the width of their driveway and about two feet in front of our house. Every time someone parked just a little bit over their line, they would rush out and make them move up, saying that they were blocking their drive, which they weren't, as the line was way wider than their drive. This meant that people would often end up partially blocking our drive so as not to block their drive.
I don't really drive, so it never really bothered me, but their life just seemed to revolve around parking. Very strange.
Never understood note writing,
You dont know whose car it is and easier than waiting there till they return
Why you have the right to occupy publicly owned land for free amazes me. this is one of the hidden subsidies to drivers. I often cannot get my bike out of my house onto the road without travelling along the pavement due to all cars parked outside my house
Thank god there are no bike parked anywhere on publicly owned land
FWIW I can also occupy public space by simply standing there and not moving. I dont even have to pay a penny for the footpath unlike the road which i maintain via road tax 😉
I usually get parked in my street if not there are loads of options that involves a less than one minute walk . the main problem i have is trying to remember where i parked in the morning 😉
I've two neighbours who are constantly in and out using their cars to run errands, even to the corner shop 50m from our houses! They are both fond of blocking people in if 'their' spaces are gone when they get back
One of them did this to my dad when he came round to mine last time and then wouldn't answer his door to move it when my dad needed to go.
Speaking of which, my dad is a blue badge holder and has a clearly marked diasbled spot outside his house. You can pretty much guarantee some selfish cockwomble will park in it on Halifax Town match days (but never on a RL match day)
there's the lady over the road from me that puts cones out to reserve her place
I knew somebody who did this so I complained to the council, effectively they're obstructing the highway. The cones went, but they now 'park' a heavily locked old bicycle on the road so that nobody can use 'their' space!!
What's that an On Street Parking Thread? I'm in!
I live and work in the same village which means that I don't drive.
There are about 600 people at my workplace and we don't have enough parking so some employees have to park on the street. The amount of abuse our gatehouse get from old biddys complaining someone has parked outside their house completely legally and considerately is entirely predictable. We have also had cars keyed and in one case a brick through someones windscreen. Lovely.
We also get people using the village as an impromptu park and ride to get to the County Hall site since they started charging for parking.
People park outside my house all the time as I live opposite a little garage, doesn't bother me in the slightest as a) I have space on my drive for 4 big vehicles b) I'm not a petty small minded a-hole and c) they take in my parcels!
I'm not sure why you would buy a house with no drive or not enough space for your cars, seems like a recipe for arsepain.
I park outside my own house to stop others parking there, it also slows down would be speeders and keep space on the drive free for visitors
Really? WTAF!
Oh yeah, don't get me started on people blocking the footpath with their cars forcing the aged, mums/dads with prams onto the road.
I used to just push the pushchair through the gap, whether there was space or not. Serves them right for being thick/inconsiderate.
JUnkyard - walking - everyone has that right / ability. Parking - its a minority. Bikes - take up minimal space and are not there 24/7
I live very close to a tube station. Road was free parking. It was a permanent car park, which is fair enough as it's free so why would you park in the station car park
What would annoy me is the number of people who would block our drive, or leave their car sticking out into the drive. You're welcome to park on the road, but don't block the drive you ejit
Now have parking restrictions on the road and life has got much easier (even though I have to pay for a residents permit)
I'm not sure why you would buy a house with no drive or not enough space for your cars, seems like a recipe for arsepain.
DO you think its because houses without drives are cheaper than houses without drives?
I might as well say I dont understand why folk dont own detached houses, detached garages and massive gardens with summer houses.
@ the TJ - glad you are still here fella- they both take up physical space and i am not sure what you want car drivers to do with their cars at the end of the day. Essentially we will end up with a scenario where only rich folk have them for they can afford a drive
this is exactly why I would never buy a house without my own parking space/drive
This doesn't necessarily help...
I'm more than happy for anyone to park outside my house, as we have privately owned parking spaces at the rear. What I'm not happy with is people using the spaces at the rear just because it's closer to where they live!
Maybe, but choosing a house is in general a series of compromises and what you prioritise.DO you think its because houses without drives are cheaper than houses without drives?
Point is people don't prioritise off road car parking.
Woke up one morning to find someones nearly new BMW parked half way across our drive and the neighbours stopping either of us from getting our cars out. Knocking on every door in the street, everyone denied knowledge of it. Called the police, which was a pointless exercise. Tried the council who where pretty useless too. In the end our neighbour got a work mate to pick him in his truck. They chained the car to the truck and dragged it up the street, alarm going off and onto the main road, in the process wrecking the front bumper and wheels as it hit a few curbs. The police turned up later at my neighbours who denied all knowledge of it backed up by a neighbour opposite who said he'd seen it being driven up the road.
Turned out the car belonged to a friend (with benefits) of someone near the top of the street and because he couldn't park out side her house he just dumped his car at ours so he could hurry up and get his leg over. She had seen the car being dragged up the road but didn't realize it was his until later when he thought his car has been stolen. Contacted the police but when they got nowhere he didn't pursue it due to him being married. Our neighbour became a bit of a legend on the street and whilst others still have parking problems we have none.
Point is people don't prioritise off road car parking.
I suspect everyone would if they could afford to that is the point.
You cannot prioritise something you cannot purchase.
I see some daftness in my street.
Cul-de-sac with two blocks of flats. Each flat has either a garage or their own private parking bay up the back on private land.
The public bit of the road has double yellow lines to make everyone park in their own space rather than on the road.
A woman who I call "The Fat Slug" doesn't park in her own space, she parks on the yellow lines, and gets parking tickets from the council. Her space is, at even the most leisurely of paces, a 10 second walk from her front door, but it's not right outside her front door which is clearly where she wants to be. So park outside your front door and pay £40 for the privilege each time the council ticket her, or park 10 seconds away for free on a plot of land she actually owns.
Bonkers.
PEople get very possessive over their space!
In a previous property the guy next door was a selfish c**t.
Terraced street with some front gardens converted into single spaces. This mean with dropped kerbs they effectively now have parking for 2 cars guaranteed. Except he has 3 cars at his house, 2 his, one his daughters.
So for over a year he parked his volvo infront of our house. He used it twice a month to go to the tip in. He would wait until we had gone out, swap it with one of his other cars and swap it back again after. What a guy.
Now he's got a caravan parked in front of his house, which now means that two other houses in the street cant park there because he's got his fleet parked up.
I moved in the end because it was getting ridiculous and I came close to thumping him.
The day we moved out he was moving the yellow cones that we'd got from the police for the removal van to park and got his mate to park their car in front of the house for several days, just to make it harder for us to leave.
Utterly vile man. I will have my revenge. 👿
Now he's got a caravan parked in front of his house
it's illegal to leave a caravan (or trailer) parked on the road isn't it?
Junkyard - why does it have to be a question of money?
As alluded to in Japanese cities you aren't allowed a car permit unless you have allocated parking. Now if you were to allocate these on a first come basis followed by a waiting list (bottom of the queue if you already have a permit) then that would be fair yes? Those with driveways would be free to do as they please whilst those who require street parking would get their fair turn.
Of course this isn't really a solution as in a city you shouldn't really need private car ownership if you have a decent public transport system and hire available for when you do require a car/van. But it would be a start.
Junkyard
I would be perfectly happy if car drivers were not subsidised by the rest of us. Why should my tax mmean cars are cheap to run.
The subsidy is over a thousand pounds ayear per car

