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Couple of local mountain bikers are being dicks (won't go into details as they may be members on here but suffice to say it's worse than just going out for a bike ride with one another when they shouldn't). Is there a method to report this in Scotland? I can find online tools and a hotline number for some of the police forces in England but not for Police Scotland. Is it just a case of calling 101?
Can't help with your actual question sorry but the gossip monkey in me really wants to know what they are up to
Perhaps you could paint the star of David on their front doors. The local Gestapo will be round in no time and you'll be rewarded for your service to Reich....
Omar calling the po po? Man you've gone soft since leaving Bodymore...
It’s 101 in Scotland too.
If you decide to phone, make sure you go the toilet first.
Omar's coming
Hobnob anyone?
the gossip monkey in me really wants to know what they are up to
+1
Oh no wait, I couldn't care less.
edit: shit, yes, I do want to know damn you.
edit: arggh
won’t go into details as they may be members on here but suffice to say it’s worse than just going out for a bike ride
Are they making love, post-ride?
Laying parallel cables across footpaths?
suffice to say it’s worse than just going out for a bike ride with one another when they shouldn’t
It must probably be different in Scotland, but in England that's been legal for over fifty years.
In these times, what could possibly be worse than going out on your bike?
Are they spitting on every gatepost they see? Are they frotting each rambler they meet?
If not, wind yer neck in.
Are they wearing full Lycra on an MTB with white socks and shoes ?
They’re riding E bikes aren’t they?
Assume they should be self isolating due to someone in their house having symptoms? Dicks indeed if so.
Check your freezer for sausages. More fun than 101.
Is there any actual evidence of people catching Coronavirus while cycling outside?
I think it must be incredibly unlikely, compared to (say) sitting in a meeting room or a crowded restaurant.
It is 101 in Scotland but they are very busy so you may have to wait a bit. Don't be tempted to phone 999 to skip the queue as some people are doing.
Forked - bravo.
Police Scotland are fairly busy dealing with dispersing house parties and increase domestic abuse cases (both of which could directly lead to serious harm) so think carefully before asking them to devote time to some mountainbikers. In particular ensure that what you are alleging is actually illegal not just discouraged; because police Scotland have been clear they won’t be enforcing anything other than the legislation unlike some of their English and Welsh counterparts.
Unless they’ve been running a secret uplift service or are hosting an underground race I’m struggling to imagine what they are doing that would make me think it worth the effort reporting!
Is there any actual evidence of people catching Coronavirus while cycling outside?
In fairness the objective is not just to stop you catching it but to stop you spreading it. If, as is suspected, it is possible for someone to be asymptomatic and be shedding the virus, cyclists are able to spread the condition to others - which is far more concerning that a couple of healthy reasonably young people getting infected because they ignored the guidance.
Whoa! They’re riding gravel bikes?
Or road bikes 😱
Riding a 26” bike?
, it is possible for someone to be asymptomatic and be [s]shedding[/s] shredding the virus,
Ftfy
Oh god, eBikers!
Yorkshire bikers in Scotland? That must be worth reporting
Somafunk you take that back
Oh god, eBikers!
You shouldn't see any during lockdown, it's not like they can say they are out for exercise!
Omar
I was told that i was fine on a tandem if wearing a mask i will stop immediately if that is not the case.
But teacher, they’re being naughty 😫
Anyone else hearing the op title in the tune of the record breakers theme song?
poly
...cyclists are able to spread the condition to others...
Assuming they are maintaining a reasonable distance, it does raise the question, how?
I was told that i was fine on a tandem if wearing a mask
a big hat, glasses, false beard. Any kind of disguise really if you want to keep your dignity.
Assuming they are maintaining a reasonable distance, it does raise the question, how?
Presumably you wrote that within the confines of some sort of Whitehall bubble - anyone who’s been in the real world for the last 5 weeks knows simply setting a 2m rule is not a magic solution.
1. 2m is an arbitrary number which seems about right, had a little bit of science behind it, and is achievable to some degree. The risk isn’t zero at 2.01m.
2. People don’t/can’t always maintain 2m - they have to pass each other on narrow paths.
3. Some people are not very good as estimating or remembering 2m rule. May not be the cyclists fault but doesn’t mean he isn’t passing on infection if he is infected (and it turns out simply breathing on others is a real mode of transmission).
4. Opening gates, pushing buttons on traffic lights, touching a fence / railing whilst waiting at traffic lights, Etc. probably possible to go for a ride without touching anything but your handlebars but plenty will not.
5. Cycling hard involves breathing hard. If 2m is a limit for normal breathing in a supermarket queue heavy breathing is likely to increase it - all the more so if you open you mouth wide to exhale. Potentially coughing, I’ve seen plenty of spitting over the years.
6. There’s obviously a tiny fraction of people who go cycling who will have some sort of accident that then needs others to come to their aid. Could be mountain rescuers at the trail side, an ambulance crew at the roadside, A&E/minor injuries staff, a dentist, an optician etc.
Let me clear, I’m not in the “Just stay home” camp but I think believing that going for a ride is zero risk to yourself and others is misplaced. It may be very low risk, it may be lower risk than going for a walk on a busy route other people follow, it may be lower risk than going to Tesco for your weekly shop but it is not zero risk.
poly
Presumably you wrote that within the confines of some sort of Whitehall bubble
No. Wrote it having been out on my bike (solo), but having observed other riders in pairs keeping a decent distance.
The whataboutery about fictitious/actual idiots or remote possibilities is treating responsible adults like primary children.
OK, Omar the OP.
What were they actually doing that upset you so much?
Or are you too busy curtain-twitching to let us know?
Perhaps the OP is now out on his bike following the offenders and will be back with photo evidence for us to see.
Snitches get Stitches
Perhaps you could paint the star of David on their front doors. The local Gestapo will be round in no time and you’ll be rewarded for your service to Reich….
Yeah, wanting to report a selfish, arrogant c*** who is putting others health and wellbeing at risk against the medical advice he has been told to follow is exactly the same as being a Nazi in the Third Reich.
Later today i'll be watching a funeral by live stream - an empty church for the service and only 4 members of family represented at the burial, so i really dont have much patience for people acting like irresponsible knobs because the symptoms they have (after testing positive on Friday) aren't bad enough to stop them going out for a bike ride on a busy cyclepath.
"Boy, you got me confused with a man who repeats himself."
1. 2m is an arbitrary number which seems about right, had a little bit of science behind it, and is achievable to some degree. The risk isn’t zero at 2.01m.
Indeed. Was walking down a narrow footpath in the woods yesterday. If I meet anyone I just face away and hold my breath until I'm past. This time...
Woman: "It's supposed to be 2 metres, you know!" *pointing into brambles and nettles off the path*
Police don't seem super keen to hear about it: https://www.edinburghnews.scno-need-call-us-police-east-lothian-tell-locals-stop-reporting-lockdown-breaches
If you do want to report it then some police forces have an online form eg: https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/report-it/report-a-breach-of-coronavirus-restrictions
Omar Little
i really dont have much patience for people acting like irresponsible knobs because the symptoms they have (after testing positive on Friday) aren’t bad enough to stop them going out for a bike ride on a busy cyclepath.
I doubt anyone has much patience for people like that.
It's bugger all to do with them being cyclists, and everything to do with them being arseholes. I thought it was unwise to exercise with symptoms, so maybe Karma will sort them out.
But at least they're outside and not in the queue at the local supermarket.
On the other hand why are other people going on a busy cycle path? Surely they should avoid it if it's busy? That's equally dumb IMO, may as well go to the pub or Cheltenham.
Most people I know work on the principle any stranger they meet has it, and every surface is likely to have it and take suitable precautions.
Dial 101 if you think it is the right thing to do.
So my view would be that if you know someone is taking really unnecessary risks in breach of the regs, report them, but do not mention it on here.
Because acting in a way you feel is socially responsible at this time is simply one step away from a Nazi/Soviet dictatorship, according to the over anxious conspiracy fappers who really don't seem to be handling the current situation very calmly.
So, mild symptoms, positive test, going out with a mate riding in a busy spot?
That's moron bingo, right there. I think that one is worth reporting.
Police don’t seem super keen to hear about it:> https://www.edinburghnews.scno-need-call-us-police-east-lothian-tell-locals-stop-reporting-lockdown-breaches
I'm not surprised that the police don't want people to report simple lockdown breaches, but that's not what we're talking about here, is it?
This is a serious breach of covid-19 restrictions by someone who has allegedly tested positive.
If the OP thinks it is the right thing to do he should call 101.
Snitches get Stitches
....and Grannies get coronavirus and die.
I'd rather have the stitches than kill someones Granny.
I've not left the house for four weeks and I've got eight weeks to go so my sympathy for people taking the piss is at a minimum.
after testing positive on Friday
That's a fairly key piece of information to leave out of the original post, don't you think?
thread title has "quarantine" in it, I thought it was pretty clear, think I'm in the minority though 😂That’s a fairly key piece of information to leave out of the original post, don’t you think?
MoreCashThan Dash
So my view would be that if you know someone is taking really unnecessary risks in breach of the regs, report them, but do not mention it on here.
Or perhaps if mentioning it on here make it clear what the actual offence is?
There's a big difference between being a 'curtain twitcher' and 'socially responsible'.
Loads taking the piss around here,second homes are full.One couple came home from their 3rd home in France,when the lockdown started,home to Nottingham and then here, because it was safer they said.
Coed y brenin is also busy with runners and riders from all over UK.
Should i report them ? I'll just leave it in their own conscious that they have broken the rules,made non essential journeys,endangered the local vulnerable and elderly.
Bunch of selfish ****s.
miss-read that as beaker, as you were
I think the issue isn't with drive-by spraying of virus particles. You have to actually interact with people for several minutes to spray enough virus to risk transmission.
The issue is the social part of a social ride - you're probably going to be talking to that person you're riding with, I'd imagine, otherwise what's the point?
So someone tested positive then went for a ride with a pal?
Did the pal know?
They're the one that really needs their head read, if so.
Snitches get Stitches
Oooohhhhh aren’t you big n scary....🤣
Even if symptomatic and a positive test you are still allowed out for your daily exercise so long as you maintain social isolation. You are not allowed in shops tho
TJ the NHS site states that any one with corona should not leave their home for any reason (im sure this is contradicted some where else)
Can I leave my home if I'm self-isolating?
If you or someone you live with has symptoms of coronavirus:
do not leave your home for any reason – if you need food or medicine, order it online or by phone, or ask someone to deliver it to your home
do not have visitors in your home – including friends and family
do any exercise at home – you can use your garden, if you have one
TJ the NHS site states that any one with corona should not leave their home for any reason
What does the Coronovirus 19 Act 2020 say, no point calling the Police unless they're actually breaking the law.
Put out a rumour that all those crows are corvids. That'll keep the muppets out of the woods.
Put out a rumour that all those crows are corvids.
That would be attempted murder
martinhutch
MemberSo, mild symptoms, positive test, going out with a mate riding in a busy spot?
That’s moron bingo, right there. I think that one is worth reporting.
Posted 4 hours ago
+1
OP, is this Mugdock trails ?
Im still struggling to see what the issue is. THe most dangerous thing at the moment would be to stand in a queue ar a supermarket or the DIY shed of choice. I would maintain that riding even if you drove to the start involved alot less interaction. During our rides from home we have noticed that you see loads of people in the first and last mile and virtually none for the intervening 30
^^^ the guy has been diagnosed as positive for COVID and he’s out riding with mates on busy paths....
That would be attempted murder
Very good indeed Perchy
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/7/schedule/21/enacted
Section 14 seems to cover powers to make people stay at home.
IANAL but to me that reads that a public health official has the power to tell you to remain in your house an, but it sounds like the infected person must be given a verbal or written notification that this applies to them for it to become an offence.
So the key point is what the Dr and Nurses said when they told them they had it. anyone know the process for giving positive test results?
wether the police are interested is dependent on the local forces views on things and how busy they are, I also can't imagine the local police want to do a house visit to a confirmed coronavirus case.
Plus they'd need to be able to prove that the person had been ordered to self quarantine....
If they were in Italy, they'd be in serious trouble
Edit for relevance: If you look at this we seem to be in as bad a situation as Italy, if not worse
https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441
That’s a fairly key piece of information to leave out of the original post, don’t you think?
Why?
This thread is great. Page one, loads of people totally being unbiased towards fellow bikers, taking the piss out of the for the OP even thinking about dobbing them in, invoking Godwin's Law. Page two, plot twist, the perps in question have tested positive, everyone be like "well, of course you should report them." How is that different?
It's not.
One of the main characteristics of CV2 is that it's asymptomatic for a fortnight. It's why everyone in supermarkets is acting like there's a zombie outbreak. If you haven't been tested, you don't know you haven't got it. You are at best playing Russian Roulette with probabilities.
That would be attempted murder
It could be a black and white case too with it being corvid-related. But then again, it Jay not be necessarily.
Too much?
It’s not.
It is different, which is why both the advice and instructions are different.
We need to expect people who knowingly have the virus, or living/working with someone who knowingly has the virus, to act in a different way to everyone else. That is not unreasonable.
I actually don't know what the Chough I am on about now. I'm going stark Raven mad here, rooking with strangers on the internet.
Joking aside, the OP wasn't at all about the moral pros and cons of reporting these particular people to the police. Actually the only question was how to do it.
Now the OP knows the means of reporting I can only assume he's done it by now.
So really this is all now just 'banter' in any case.
We need to expect people who knowingly have the virus, or living/working with someone who knowingly has the virus, to act in a different way to everyone else. That is not unreasonable.
You've got the point I was trying to make arse-backwards. We need to expect people who don't know whether they have Corvid-19 or not to behave as though they have.
Social distancing isn't to stop you catching it. It's to prevent you from giving it to everyone else.
It's not.
But it is, because someone is asymptomatic doesnt mean they're going to infect every Tom, Dick and Harry they walk past.
If they're not shedding the virus by means of coughing, sneezing, wiping their snotty noses on everything for others to touch etc then they wont infect.
Someone who is showing symptoms, which includes coughing and assuming this guy is as was stated he has the 'mild symptoms' then they can infect a lot of people because of the shedding of the virus actively, so stay the fack at home.
Assymptomatics are far less likely to spread it, still can of course no denying it ans should act like they can with any coughs etc.