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You know how it is, in your "eclectic" collection are some classics from way back when. But they then get "remastered" with additional "unreleased" tracks ... so what do you do?
How do you exercise "self-restraint", without feeling you are missing out?
Answers on a postcard please!
resist - or you end up with Japanese imports of Ride live in Tokyo, and other delights that you never listen to again because it was 'back in the day'
I'm pretty selective actually! It's just that my favourite artiste has been around rather a long time 🙄
Your money, your choice.
Just remember you could have died last week in a nasty garage door incident and ask yourself what is worth more to you, a few quid in the bank or listening to some songs you loved, reminded of you of old time and then realised you will never listen to them again.
Coming from a bloke who's idea of financial responsibility makes Northern Rock look like a sensible business model you might want to ignore me*.
*most people do
Neil Young per chance?
Hello WCA! You're right, I could have died in my garage but, hey, what a way to go surrounded by my beloved bikes 🙄
Not Neil Young though!
why would CG want a remastered 'shakey' when she's got all the originals 8)
And damn I missed the closing olympics ceremony with him singing 'long may you run'
Move to Switzerland. I haven't heard a song less than 20 years old. Made me dig out my Dire Straits, Eric Clapton and Pink Floyd CDs though.
For some reason Bryan Adams is popular over here too which is irritating but spent the evening a couple of nights ago talking to the saxophone payer for Steve Windwood.
oh yeah move to Switzerland and be surrounded by Tina Turner and Shania Twain
😉
other than grandad rock the swiss love euro-trance
Of the ones I have, I've yet to hear a digitally remastered version I prefer over the original. The sound is usually less warm and thinner. I know lots of sound engineers might say different, but that's what my ears tell me. Or is that the analog vs digital debate? Who cares. Listen before you buy if you can.
Ride...Quality!
Never understood why anyone would buy remastered stuff anyway, if it was good first time round it's only going to be different andy you'll pick out the differences and may not like them. Then again, I've no idea why people put so much importance in music, but each to their own.
David Bowie?
Elton John?
Well, of course it could well be that my ears are not what they were! Just feel that the remastered stuff has more depth. And extra tracks.
Then again, I've no idea why people put so much importance in music, but each to their own.
Music feeds the soul coffeeking 🙂 I could not live without it.
Not Bowie or Elton.
C'mon CG, I'm young by STW standards but need some new (old) music to listen to.
Currently listening to Pixies.
Bought a remastered Beatles CD at the weekend.
HAve been playing Bob Dylan to death in the car.
What are you contemplating buying?!
It's Ozzy!
CG, have you got Argus? excellent cd with Phoenix and The Pilgrim as bonus tracks
Get Spotify and listen to them all for free with the odd advert or £10 a month ad free?
I just re-discovered Saxon with their 2010 re-release of Rock the Nations :-))
led zep? the ultimate remasterage.
just listening to the 'new' old hendrix album, valleys of neptune, and its got some great versions, sounds fresh and minty
Always tempting 'cos they rip (to MP3, Itunes etc...) louder than the original CD
You will notice a difference in old stuff when you put it on an mp3 player.The remastered stuff is MUCH louder! Which is nice...
[b]Southern Yeti[/b] - depends on whether you prefer words to instruments possibly. I tend to listen to anything from the 60's to the present. Have you tried Neil Young? Some of it can be rubbish admittedly.
[b]Tijuana Taxi[/b] - yes, I have Argus but want the remastered version. Really enjoy Wishbone Ash, saw them a few times live too.
[b]fadda[/b] - no! Think my Black Sabbath days have finished.
[b]footflaps[/b] - prefer to use my hifi system!
[b]nicko[/b] - agreed!
[b]tribalchief[/b] - aha, hadn't realised that it had been released. Digitally remastered too?
duckman - Member
You will notice a difference in old stuff when you put it on an mp3 player.The remastered stuff is MUCH louder! Which is nice...
Why don't you save the money and TURN UP your MP3 player? 😀
(Should I add 'Grandad' in there? I think I may need to?)
duckman - Member
You will notice a difference in old stuff when you put it on an mp3 player.The remastered stuff is MUCH louder! Which is nice...
Or not. I did read recently that a lot of modern recordings (not sure if this is true about remastered old ones) are recorded with a much higher average volume level (and hence less dynamic range) than old ones, mainly in a bid to make them stand out when played on jukeboxes etc. by being louder, which can make them quite tiring to listen to as you don't get the quiet sections present in the original recordings. Listening to my collection I'm pretty sure this is true (the volume bit, not the reasoning necessarily) as my older CDs are pretty much all quieter than my new ones.
tribalchief - aha, hadn't realised that it had been released.
err, it hasn't....... 😉
[b]Southern Yeti[/b] - try these:
Van Morrison, early stuff is best ie 60's/70's. For example, "No Guru, No Method, No Teacher". "T.B. Sheets". "The Philosopher's Stone" especially the tear-jerking track 'Flamingoes fly'. Highly recommended is "It's Too Late To Stop Now" - live from 1972, which is the year that I first saw him live (yep, I'm really that old).
Neil Young with Crazy Horse "Live Rust", real rockin' stuff! Also "Mirror Ball" with Pearl Jam, more loud guitars.
Ryan Adams - all albums are unique. No longer playing but writing poetry and fiction.
Joe Bonamassa (he's not old). Brilliant guitarist. Recommend "The Ballad of John Henry", also "A New Day Yesterday Live".
Enjoy!
[b]tribalchief[/b] - naughty naughty 😉
whoop whoop. a girl agreed with me.
im off for a lie down before anything else exciting happens and i feint.
[b]tracknicko[/b] - who's the girl?
Thanks CG.
Have just bought Ellie Goulding for something bang up to date whilst waiting on your recommendations.
My iTunes account may be busy this afternoon though.
Not wishing to rub it in, but you first saw Van M, 7 yrs before I even saw this world!
Please buy Remastered CDs it keeps us mastering engineers in business 🙂
[b]Southern Yeti[/b] - OK, you need to listen to those from a proper hifi and not as background muzak. Find a comfy seat, pour beverage of choice, then really "listen" and allow music/words to envelop you 🙂
STW is a broad church and I'm not the only "middle-aged" person on here either 😆
[b]nobtwidler[/b] - love the name! Tell me about remastering then please, in particular sound quality. 🙂
this new found confusion reminds me of my teenage years.
The main reason (apart from money!) that CDs a remastered is that older CD releases used the same masters that were used for the vinyl cutting.
Vinyl had its own particular sound so the original masters were "tweaked" to take this into account - thats why many people argue that [i]"the vinyl sounded better"[/i] so now the remastering takes into account its comming off CD, it also takes into account modern tastes in sound, modern listening methods - car stereos and MP3 players
In my opinion a well remastered CD will sound differnet sometimes better sometimes not!
You can see for a long way sitting on this fence 😆
Fair point, I'll wait until I can get to the LRS then!
nobtwidler - Member
it also takes into account modern tastes in sound, modern listening methods - car stereos and MP3 players
Surely the goal should be for the data on the CD to be the most accurate reproduction of the original sound possible rather than altering it to fit the equipment that people might or might not be listening to it on, or to fit people's tastes which surely vary rather widely? Or am I missing something?
Really enjoy Wishbone Ash, saw them a few times live too.
One of the few bands I've left (before I fell asleep) while the gig was still on. Saw The Stranglers later the same night which more tham made up for it 8)
First to the left, then the right...and he scoresim off for a lie down before anything else exciting happens and i feint.
Sorry, couldn't help myself 😳
Which original sound?Surely the goal should be for the data on the CD to be the most accurate reproduction of the original sound
What came out of the mix studio? The original vinyl mastering studio?
What is on the original vinyl pressing is not the original sound! it has been tweeked for vinyl and for the listening tastes of the time.
early CD releases of analogue albums originally released on vinly often sound very thin compared to the vinyl, and compared to the remastered CDs - example = the recent Beatles remasters
having said that I'm sure there are lots of remasters that sound pretty much the same
old CDs sound quieter because of the buckets of compression applied to modern recordings - compression allows the album to be mastered "louder" but you loose lots of dynamins in the process
I think I heard on 6 music this morning that Ryan Adams hearing is getting better and he may start playing again
idlejon turning up the MP3 player (or Ipod) is a bit tricky when stuffed in your back pocket as a stream of commuters drive past - it also risks the next track coming from a modern LP and deafening you 😉
grievoustim - stop scaring people it wasn't ryan adam or even bryan adams but it was Pete Townshend who's hearing aid has stopped his tinitus.
Ryan Adams has Meniere's (sp?) disease.
oops - came in halfway through and assumed it was RA
nobtwidler - Member
What came out of the mix studio?
This, if it's the closest to what was originally recorded.
[i]This, if it's the closest to what was originally recorded.[/i]
Why? the original recording takes into account that its going to be mastered whether for vinyl, casette, CD, SACD. Most mixes that come out of the studio are really lacking. Tracks on albums can come from differnet studios, mixed by different engineers/producers part of the mastering job is to make it sound more consistant.
Idlejon; But what if your old ears mean that it isn't quite loud enough when turned up to a spinal tapesque 11?
Nobtwidler is, as he should be, considering his job, absolutely right. The original multitrack master has a stereo master that is EQ'd for the end product. Because vinyl can't cope with the full frequency range, the music is compressed at each end, the high frequency to stop 'ringing' that could overheat the cutting head on the lathe used to cut the metal stampers and the low frequency to avoid large transients that could cause the stylus to jump tracks, or for a groove to run into the next, causing the same to happen. That's why, as nobtwidler says, early cd's sound thin, because the full dynamic range wasn't on the stereo master. Even worse, the metal masters sent to different pressing plants could get damaged, so a new one would be cut from a stereo safety master sent to the mastering company, so you then have pressings made from a master tape that's a copy of a copy, and that would often be used to master cd's as well. I've got old vinyl where one side was pressed from metalwork mastered by Bob Ludwig at Masterdisk in the US, but the other by Stirlingsound in the UK, and you can hear the difference in quality caused by using a tape copy for the second side with a high end turntable, like my old Logic DM101/Zeta/Audiotechnica MC. This is what makes me laugh about idiots complaining about MP3's not being as good as vinyl because of the compression, when vinyl was produced by compressed, or EQ'd tapes. If you play a variety of tracks ripped at 320Kb from a variety of albums of different ages, through a really good pair of in-ear 'phones, like Shure's, Denons or Ultimate Ears, (my favourites), you can clearly hear differences in the quality of the original mastering, and I'm afraid that the Led Zeppelin Re-Masters are bloody awful, Jimmy Page should have been locked out of the studio. The remasters of the Stones albums like Sticky Fingers are stunning, and some of Free's early stuff was remastered and put out as The Free Story, before they fell out, and those tracks are marvelous. There's a Buddy Holly album, ‘From The Original Master Tapes’, which is breathtakingly wonderful, considering the tapes are fifty-odd years old. The Beatles re-masters are the first time they have been touched since they were first released, so the original cd's would have been compromised by incorrectly EQ'd stereo master tapes. I'm not a sound engineer, btw, but I used to sell hi-fi, and I used to read HiFi News and Record Reviews back in the early eighties, and a writer on there, Ken Kessler, used to go into a lot of detail about how albums were mastered, and what to look for in the runout grooves regarding the ID of the mastering lab who cut the stampers, which I paid obsessive attention to when buying vinyl. Don't work with cd's, sadly.