[Closed] Reeva Steenkamp RIP

I'm not sure anyone is contesting the cause of her death are they? What evidence needs to be preserved? I'm sure they took lots of pictures of the scene, which is probably more important in this case.

I don't know Jon...and maybe a more informed forensic type forumite could inform me. The killing is less than a week old and the case barely started ? Just seems odd

Usually over here,in a murder enquiry the body would be released to the family following a second post mortem (by a pathologist acting for the defence). This would usually happen quite soon after the defendant was charged so no, not that unusual tbh.

Just seems odd

Why?

Can you explain your train of thought?

Edit: had she been Muslim it would likely have been much sooner - even in these circumstances

Its such a high profile case and one that will rumble on and on ... did he/ didn't he do it, and until the courts have made a decision then there still remains a 'possibility' that evidence may not have been collected adequately.

But yeah..poss just being naive

He's not saying he didn't do it.

Thought this was going to be a brutal faux-grief thread; it's only marginally better.

Edit: And no, I shouldn't have opened it.

at a guess, death from multiple gunshot wounds is pretty conclusive.

Thought this was going to be a brutal faux-grief thread; it's only marginally better

So you go looking for posts that are going to wind you up or depress you ?

jam bo ....yeah the death bit is conclusive - not disputing that.

Its the proving who did it..with what that gets complex.

Oops you've forgot to quote my

"Edit: And no, I shouldn't have opened it"

Silly you 🙁

"He's not saying he didn't do it'"

Its the proving who did it..with what that gets complex.

someone has admitted shooting her. its the motive that is under question.

I judge guilty!!!

Unless he hires OJ's lawyers ...

Yeah you are too quick brycey 😆

For me anyway

Yeah all true - I was only asking a question. But as bregante states - the procedure is normal. Ive been informed.

Bit grumpy, got the man flu. Sorry.

If he's innocent, imagine how shit he must feel? Accidentally shooting your own girlfriend? Jesus 🙁

If he's innocent, imagine how shit he must feel? Accidentally shooting your own girlfriend? Jesus

Doesn't matter. Even if his story is true, he made the choice to fire blind through a door without establishing the whereabouts of the occupants of the house.

Its the proving who did it..with what that gets complex

They know who did it.

Even if his story is true, he made the choice to fire blind through a door without establishing the whereabouts of the occupants of the house.

What do you mean it doesn't matter? It was a very stupid thing to do, and he's definitely guilty of it, but it would still be a terrible accident and he would still be feeling pretty low.

However it's SUCH a stupid thing to have done that it puts me on the fence as to his guilt of pre-meditated murder. Then again, I've done some odd things when woken up suddenly in the middle of the night, but then again again I don't live in South Africa and I don't sleep with a gun under my pillow.

Testosterone injector, gets angry at partner during blazing row. Aims weapon at an angle at the toilet, where he can hear and expects his partner to be, having previously had to lock the door.(Which would fan the flames no end)
Do burglars sit on toilets, during their activities, I don't know

I'd be hanging back on the sympathy for poor old Oscar until more is known.

South Africa is a dangerous place, a good friends mother was murdered and burned in her own home and I am told the shoot first ask questions later mentality is very common.

It could have gone down exactly as he said or he brutally murdered her, who knows? That's what juries are for. He's been convicted by the media already and I suspect a fair trial is out of the window either way.

It was avoidable. The girl lost his life because of his actions. Gun ownership has responsibilities.

Time for him to man up and take what is coming to him.

Edit: Jools - no jury in the South African legal system.

I'd be hanging back on the sympathy for poor old Oscar until more is known

Well I got plenty of sympathy, even for people who **** up and make terrible mistakes. Especially if they are under the influence.

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It was avoidable. The girl lost his life because of his actions. Gun ownership has responsibilities.

Time for him to man up and take what is coming to him.

This plus a squillion, although there's no way he's gonna admit to what he actually did imo.

I've done some odd things when woken up

Some accounts state that he was awake and moving things off the veranda/balcony. More holes than Gouda in the defence.

Defence saying he was not wearing his 'legs' and felt vunerable - police say that the bullet holes/angles indicate that they were fired from a 'normal' height.
This could be an issue for Mr P.

I do wonder if the find of steroids at his home might have some bearing on this case. The mind altering effects are quite a well trodden path.

Would he really have been awoken by intruder, got his gun, got out of bed and gone over to the bathroom to shoot it up without saying anything at all to his partner (who presumably was next to him in bed)?

Its the proving who did it..with what that gets complex.

we all know who did it.

and about shoot first, ask later.

"whats that noise coming from my bathroom?"
get up, put on legs, don't ask Girlfriend who he went to bed with if she can hear it, or even notice she isn't in bed. walk to bathroom, open fire without asking who's there.

Nonsense, he murdered her.

It's a shame someone died but loads of other people died too.

The defence has given the investigating policeman a complete mauling today, for what it's worth

The defence has given the investigating policeman a complete mauling today, for what it's worth

Certainly sounds like mauling form the report on the BBC website.

That's what juries are for. He's been convicted by the media already and I suspect a fair trial is out of the window either way.

They don't have jury trials in S Africa - cases are heard only by a judge with two assessors (usually former judges etc). I think the reason so many details have come out is there's a belief judges will be less swayed my media coverage than average Joe.

They also have to give reasons for their verdict (unlike a jury).

He must have a very good pocket-sprung mattress to not notice that there was no girlfriend in the bed when he got himself up from it.

And why would the bathroom door be locked - would you expect your girlfriend/fiancee to lock the bathroom door when there was no else in the house but you?

So he fired four shots through the bathroom door, through a closed door, and 3 of them managed to hit someone who was sitting on the toilet which was in the corner and not at all in a straight line from the door (floorplans are on the net).

If he knew where the toilet was in the bathroom, why would he think that the burglar was sitting on it? Sitting because the shots came downwards apparently, which implies that he had his legs on (or was holding the gun gangster-style above his head).

All sounds too dodgy - I reckon he did it in a moment of rage - maybe brought on by the testosterone they found there.

Anyway he guilty of killing someone.

I doubt it was premeditated though - why the hell would you do that - killing your wife is one thing - but why not just split up with your fiancee?

He can't really be held responsible for what he done. He was legless at the time....

Although the prosecution reckons he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

killing your wife is one thing - but why not just split up with your fiancee?

Even after you're married, the option of splitting up should still be considered before simply killing them.

Even after you're married, the option of splitting up should still be considered before simply killing them.

doesn't compute...

Normally i would give anyone the benefit of the doubt but from his own statement it makes no sense at all, maybe it happend as he says but it just doesnt seem plausable. It may well be the case in SA that its a bit shoot first etc but as far as i can tell he lived in a secure, gated, patrolled estate and im guessing that there would be armed guards on the scene within minutes. Surely he just had to sit outside or even fired a warning shot rather than blindly shooting. Its just very odd and his version of events does not "seem" to be the way i would expect someone to behave. Having said all that he is still innocent and so we'll have to see!

They've had a row, he's brayed her with the cricket-bat, she's ran in to the bathroom, locked it, probably scared for her life (justifiably), OPs got his gun and blasted Reeva through the door with a few bullets.
The end.

The verdict: Guilty as charged your honour.

He must have a very good pocket-sprung mattress to not notice that there was no girlfriend in the bed when he got himself up from it.

She woke up when he got out of bed and went into the bathroom while he was outside?

And why would the bathroom door be locked - would you expect your girlfriend/fiancee to lock the bathroom door when there was no else in the house but you?

Force of habit?

So he fired four shots through the bathroom door, through a closed door, and 3 of them managed to hit someone who was sitting on the toilet which was in the corner and not at all in a straight line from the door (floorplans are on the net).

Who says she was sitting on the toilet?

FWIW I don't find his story entirely implausible. But regardless of who he believed was behind the door, he still shot through it with no warning in the belief there was *someone* behind it.

So still murder, I'd say, unfortunately.

I lock the door when I'm having a crap and my wife or kids are at home. Not having my half hour of peace and quiet interrupted thank you. Perhaps Oscar constantly demands a drink/snack/story too?

Even after you're married, the option of splitting up should still be considered before simply killing them.

Pfft! Bloody wishy-washy, bleeding-heart liberals

Who says she was sitting on the toilet?

ah, I thought it was the bathroom door that was locked, but no it was the toilet door, so he stood outside and unloaded the gun through it. The shots came downwards, so she must have been sitting down, especially as he says that he didn't have his legs on.

"I fired shots at the toilet door and shouted to Reeva to phone the police."

He went on: "I noticed that the bathroom window was open. I realised that the intruder/s was/were in the toilet because the toilet door was closed and I did not see anyone in the bathroom. I heard movement inside the toilet. The toilet is inside the bathroom and has a separate door.

(or should that have been "I heard A movement inside the toilet" ?)

He could easily have backed off to outside the bathroom, keeping the wall as shelter, covered the door with his pistol, whilst calling for the guards - or letting off a shot to 'call' them. There was no way out of the toilet except through the door. There was no need for such an 'execution' scenario.

I just find it sad that a hottie got killed 🙁

It's all a bit Poirot on here, but with limited actual facts

I didn't realise this is where all the CSI forensic department took time to hang out and manipulate some news stories into likely scenarios.

You should get in touch with the SA police as you seem to have the case nailed!

I just find it sad that a hottie got killed

Classy.

Classy.

she probably was...

Is the Police Officer in charge a real person, or a character from a Tom Sharpe novel?

[b]IF[/b], and that is a big if, his story is to be believed who is to say how someone would react in a high stress situation like that especially in a society like that in SA that life seems to be cheap.

a high stress situation

I would be very scared of a burglar who locked himself in the toilet to hid...

So the lead cop is now up for attempted murder himself, couldn't make it up.

Seems Oscar has a few "friends" in the system.