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One for the woodworker joinerists this.
I've got a lot of skirting boards and door architraves to fit and I'm looking at investing in a sliding mitre saw.
I'm looking at £200 max budget, swaying towards the evolution rage 3 s but have read a few bad reviews re accuracy of cuts etc. There's a DeWalt one for £199 on screwfix but my last lot of DeWalt drills didn't last 9 months!
Any recommendations please
Cheers
G
That DeWalt one should do. I bought one years ago when they were around £300 - think it was a DeWalt branded Elu back then...they'd previously bought Elu I think. It did me for work for around 7 or 8 years. Couldn't believe it when I saw it was now less than £200. Don't think you'd go far wrong with it tbh.
£200 is cheap, only 216mm so max depth won't be much more than 3".
tbh I spent twice that on my DeWalt, and that was a half-price bargain.
For architrave/skirtings use a mitre box , also for the skirtings use a coping saw
That's the cheapest way....all for under £20
You don't really need a compound mitre saw for it....kitchens yes...but skirtings.....not really unless you already have one or you are going for the wax/varnish finish
The rage is a good saw. It isn't accurate right out the box but with a bit of setting up you can get very precise cuts with it. Being able to cut metal is handy too. The smaller one is fine for skirting and architrave and well under budget.
Another vote for the rage
Search for Evo outlet on eBay, they sell their reconditioned stock. My 255mm compound mitre saw was £99 delivered, which was a healthy saving over screw fix prices
The rage is awesome. You can get a rage and stand for under 200. Use mine all the time.
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Screw fix have the new dewalt mitre saw on offer at £200.
think it was a DeWalt branded Elu back then...they'd previously bought Elu I think.
Elu made some cracking tools until DeWalt bought them...
Penny pinch here, penny pinch there. Spray it Yellow...
the evo rage saws have their pluses and minuses. They've v cheap to buy but you can only use their own blades with them and their blades are expensive for what they are. They're not a great blade for cutting wood and I don't think they last as well as they used to for cutting metal - I've had them either go blunt very quickly or losing teeth. Nominally screwfix make their own brand compatible blades at a lower price but they never seem to actually be in stock (and I wonder if they've had a wrist slap from Evo)
I also find that although with a bit of time you can set them up pretty well set up and adjustment can be very laborious compared to regular mitre saw and screws / bolts / levers can be pretty poor quality.
I think they're great saws for what they are but they are what they are - a jack of all trades. The dewalt will be a better saw for cutting wood.
However - do some sums in terms of what stuff you're likely to be cutting - budget wise you'll always get a better functioning fixed mitre saw for the price of a sliding one, so unless the slider gives you cross-cutting width (that you need) that you can't get from a fixed saw or unless you want to make trenching cuts then you can get a better deal on a non-sliding saw.
I've got a evo rage saw for metal cutting (and because its light it sometimes gets taken out for quick location based jobs, a 10 year old dewalt DW713 and a new super-fly fancy pants Festool Kapex and unless I'm having to do anything especially larger or tricky the kapex never comes out of the trunk - the simple, non-sliding dewalt is super accurate, quick to set angles, and really robust and just quicker to work with than the Kapex.
Elu made some cracking tools until DeWalt bought them...
Penny pinch here, penny pinch there. Spray it Yellow...
For a while there were a few re-badged elu tools about but over 20 years since Dewalt bought them out and theres pretty much nothing in production still from back them - perhaps just their radial arms saws (ironic as it was Mr Dewalt that invented the RAS in the first place)
If you or anyone you know is a Costco member, I got a Metabo one from them last year.
It was about £170.
I'm no great Mitre Saw expert, but it seems well made and cuts wood either straight on or at angles! What more do you need!
How much is "a lot"?
I have a 255mm rage and a 210mm elu flip saw.
The elu is head and shoulders a much better saw. The rage is for fire wood only. Elu gets used for the fixtures and fittings.
Non sliding though but it's 20+ years old.
How much is "a lot"?
2 houses at present (4 bed & 2 bed) with one or two per year thereafter plus any other jobs I may get asked to do as I get more experienced.
I tried the mitre box but it was a pain to use. I also had a cheap mitre hand saw and jig which took forever to use.
As everything else in life you need the right tool to make the job easier, I just need to know what the best right tool is for my budget 🙂
I'm now erring towards the DeWalt again!
Have an Evolution circular saw. Bought it mainly to trim down bits of carbon fibre before trimming to size but it's been used for cutting used ply with nails and aluminium no problems. I bought some cheap erbauer multi-material blades from screwfix a backups and they are fine.
There are a few bits of it I don't like.
I tried a non-sliding small evolution chop saw and took it back. the pivot had too much flex and it was not going to be any good for cutting aluminium extrusions which is what I needed it for.
Even the JCB one in B&Q felt much better. Would probably stick with my normal brands of Bosch, Makita and Metabo if I get another.
I have a mitre box and hand saw. Utter bobbins, impossibly hard to get an accurate cut, I only put 3 lengths of skirting in with a couple of outside corners and a couple of inners and by the time I'd finished I was ready tothrow the whole lot in the bin.
When I buy my new house I'll be buying a proper electric mitre saw!
Question - if I'm putting in a kitchen would a normal mitre saw be ok (ie non sliding)? I assume for the same price a non slider would be better quality. What sort of thing would I best with if I went for a non slider?
I've gone for a different approach. I bought a Festool rail saw which has other uses and gives the best super clean and accurate cuts on boards, timber etc.
I made a couple of jigs for cutting skirting and thin strips. I've used it for skirting and architrave in 2 houses plus kitchens wardrobes and bathrooms and the results are excellent. It's also great for cutting floorboards in situ to get access to the pipes or cables underneath without wrecking the whole floor.
Elu made some cracking tools until DeWalt bought them...
I don't think that's not quite how it happened. Black & Decker bought the Elu power tool range in 1984.
http://www.elumatec.com/the-company/history.html
Black & Decker already owned DeWalt (as from 1960) and in 1994 (I think) Black & Decker decided to rebrand its entire professional range under the DeWalt name (previously there was also a "Black & Decker Professional" range).
I still use my Elu mitre saw almost every working day. It must be about 30 years old. It was certainly manufactured at a time when Elu was owned by Black & Decker. The only thing wrong with it is that the thread which one of the 5 feet screws into has stripped, it doesn't affect its performance, it works today as well as it did the day I bought it. A couple of years back I renewed the guard on it, that's the only part other than one of the feet that's been replaced. It has never needed to be repaired. I think it cost £300 when I bought it.
I'm looking at £200 max budget,
I've gone for a different approach. I bought a Festool rail saw
Are you thinking about selling it to the OP for £200 ?
I bought an evolution one originally. Opened it up and it just 'looked' too cheap to me, and I wasn't confident it'd last.
I'm always guilty of buying cheap, buying twice so this time I raised my budget a bit and went for a 216mm Makita. It's nice.
For architrave/skirtings use a mitre box , also for the skirtings use a coping saw
That's the cheapest way....all for under £20
As above, a mitre box is horrible. Mine was softer than the wood so the saw preferred to chomp through the box itself. Even if it didn't it wobbled and flexed and made a right mess.
Borrowed a mate's sliding mitre saw (after buying more skirting to replace the stuff wasted by trying to use the mitre box) and got the whole room done, including chimney breast and bay window, in a couple of hours.
216mm Makita. It's nice.
Funnily enough I was looking at those and thinking of raising my budget a bit 😳
http://www.powertoolworld.co.uk/makita-ls0815fl-slide-compound-mitre-saw-216mm?gclid=Cj0KEQjwhZm7BRCUyfS6ho2VjOEBEiQAumpGMiyU1CDAz9HUSDLsdC4M8sdarSywQUd5Mt-Ib7Afh7YaArkR8P8HAQ
That's the badger.
Really nice saw. Thought the laser was a bit gimicky but it's dead handy actually.
I've gone for a different approach. I bought a Festool rail sawAre you thinking about selling it to the OP for £200 ?
May as well just buy a Kapex 120 😉
I bought that Makita a while back - its the only Mitre saw I've used, so can't give much in the way of comparisons, but it seems steady and stable, it cuts things and the laser is very handy.
Whatever you buy, if you've the space I can absolutely recommend buying a mitre saw bench - for a non-trade person like myself it's a real boon.
Anyone used the red erbauer range of tools? Good deals on their sliding mitre saw at the mo.
I'm sure there is some good erbauer stuff out there but I've never seen it. Just cheap tat that does the job, Just not that well.
Check out the Metabo Kgsv 72 vario on u-tube.
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More than you want to spend but ideal for what you're using it for
Just cheap tat
I bought an alligator saw that collapsed the first time I used it, casting body fell apart...