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Ferries into Netherlands and out of Spain booked, but the main holiday was supposed to be in France (Morzine and then coast). First 2 weeks in July - The return ferry is 75% refundable, I might have to take the pain of the hit on the outbound. Thankfully I've no accommodation costs to try to recoup.
On the face of it, France will be open
We really have no idea, it all depends on how management of the virus goes. The governement is most definitely not making promises it can't keep. Plan your holidays locally is what we're being told, Dover is not local.
Our local préfet has just announced he's extending the the 100km to the departement boundaries because we're doing so well, amongst the best in France. I really can't see him opening up to people from areas where the virus is still circulating. It would be stupid and he isn't stupid.
If all goes to the plan (and I doubt it will), Spain will return to an Orwellian-sounding "New Normal" at the end of June.
I'd be surprised, that being the case, if there wasn't some int'l tourism in August.
But I doubt it will go to plan. If I'd bought a flat here to rent on AirBnb, like many have, I'd be Quite Worried at the moment. Serves them right...
We have a place in majorca and I'm hoping that we'll be able to get over to it in mid July as per plans I'd made earlier in the year. I guess I need a few things to be in place.
1. Essential travel only restrictions in the UK lifted
2. Flights between UK and mallorca running again
3. Essential travel Only restrictions in mallorca lifted
4. No quarantine period for people arriving in mallorca or arriving in UK.
I've had my easter and late May Bank Holiday flights cancelled already (no surprise)
We were booked on Le Tunnel for tomorrow morning for a trip down to Basque MTB then Ainsa / S. France....
I hope I’ve been in touch. We are gutted not to be guiding right now. Don’t worry on our side, I should have already mailed to say that I’ll do your trip when the world opens up and it works for you. If not I’ll refund. We are hoping to be working a bit in June, special trips and locals. Then in July we are hoping to be open. Who knows! If anyone books and can’t come we will look after them. See what happens, we can only react to the information we have and then try and do the right thing for everyone.
Ferries into Netherlands and out of Spain booked, but the main holiday was supposed to be in France (Morzine and then coast). First 2 weeks in July – The return ferry is 75% refundable, I might have to take the pain of the hit on the outbound. Thankfully I’ve no accommodation costs to try to recoup.
I think you're going to Netherlands before me? 25th July is our date, I'm gonna cancel and lose the deposit, I'm not comfortable paying the rest of the balance which now due, and then claiming hol insurance, especially as the excess is more than the deposit I'll lose.
Hopefully Center parcs in September will happen, my 13 year old daughter has been we done thorough this, she's due a wee treat and lives CP.
I didn't realise that the cancellation excess on travel insurance policies is per person until recently!! Also watch out if you have overlapping policies as well (for example with your bank and a separate policy) because you will pay the excess x2 because they will split the claim!!!
We’re booked to sail with DFDS from Newcastle at the end of June. For some reason that I can’t remember we paid in full, and we’re told we can only rebook or have a free cancellation and travel vouchers, no refund. The route’s currently suspended until the 3rd of June so we’re hanging on to see if that gets extended, then we can legally have a refund. We’ve no expectation of travelling, I don’t think wandering around Europe for the summer on a couple of bikes is going to be wise or welcomed, even if it’s allowed.
We have a group booked for 4th July, week, MTB in the south part of the Alps.
Some of us are driving down some are flying.
Paid deposit and now full payment is being requested. But we don't know if we can travel.
The company is saying he will open and is not willing to refund or cancel, saying that he can't be left with empty weeks.
But if they cancel us now they still have 8 weeks to sell our week to the continentals.
The French can only travel 100k at the moment so this rules us out. Also currently to travel you need a travel permit and FO say no travel anyway.
Where do we stand with this one.
Finally cancelled our August family holiday to Menorca, losing £240 but thats all. It was quite emotional, I've been looking forward to it since we booked it last October and the kids are a little upset, but hey thats life as it is currently.
I'm going to keep the time off work though.
Where do we stand with this one.
At the side of the road with your dick in your hand like the rest of us.
Martin Lewis of MSE fame recently said that he’s researched it and in his opinion if a provider can’t provide a service because of lock-down OR you’re not able to access it because of lock-down you should get a full refund without fees or charges, but how you’d be able to enforce that cross-border I don’t know.
Johnson didn’t mention travel yesterday, I don’t know if it was in the 50 page briefing today, but he did say that in July it’s possible that they made open some public venues with social distancing rules. He also said that there will be a 2 week quarantine for anyone flying into the U.K. I doubt your mates who are planning to fly will be happy to take 2 weeks extra off work when they return.
Personally unless you managed to buy insurance pre-lock down and you’ve spoken to them and they confirm they will pay out if you can’t go I wouldn’t pay the balance.
Even then, consider if you still want to go. I’ve got a trip booked for the week before you go for what was supposed to be Passportes, it seems we’ll be stuck in the middle, France might be open, and the accommodation can open so we can go, but they’re not opening the lifts until the day we leave now. I think we’re what they call in the travel industry “screwed”.
Where do we stand with this one.
On British soil?
The French state of emergency was extended until July 10th, so don't pay the balance when you know that you'll actually be allowed to spend your holiday there. If the company don't want to understand, run away!
Fwiw, most of the people I know are planning on spending their summer holidays in their home region.
Btw, Les Gets are now advertising for a bikepark shaper
We’re booked to sail with DFDS from Newcastle at the end of June. For some reason that I can’t remember we paid in full, and we’re told we can only rebook or have a free cancellation and travel vouchers, no refund. The route’s currently suspended until the 3rd of June so we’re hanging on to see if that gets extended, then we can legally have a refund. We’ve no expectation of travelling, I don’t think wandering around Europe for the summer on a couple of bikes is going to be wise or welcomed, even if it’s allowed.
We’re in the same boat (pun intended). We will not travel, but I’m going to hold out for a refund. We will makeup for it next year if allowed!
Is this 50 page blueprint available for the plebs to read?
As I have a somewhat unavoidable trip to Blighty I have to make before too long (already mentioned in this or another thread. I have been putting it off - but if there's going to be 2 week quarantine on arrival, I should get in, ahem, before the lock. Though almost certainly coming in via the ferry/tunnel.
here (ref in other STW post about exercise)
Thanks. Says enforcement of quarantine for arrivals to UK won't come into force May 13th but doesn't say when.
Quarantine now when the horse bolted months ago, that's a laugh, especially in a place with one of the highest per capita levels of live cases, the only place that's higher is the US unless someone can point me to stats that say otherwise.
Well the last time I read up on it, I could travel through France by filling out two forms, that may have changed.
Really don't want to go but making the trip can only get more complicated the longer I leave it. 2 weeks' quarantine in my late dad's empty house would seriously suck!
Crossed posts, reply was to Tracey
You might need to read up again, Bob. I've just checked on the latest attestation and the justifications appear to have been tightened up. The family imperatives box has gone from the international attestation. We went through all this over the weekend for a relative who had to drive from London to Spain for medical treatment and I can no longer find the form I printed out, only this one:
https://www.interieur.gouv.fr/Actualites/L-actu-du-Ministere/Attestation-de-deplacement-et-de-voyage
Edit: there never was a family imperatives box on the International form which is the one I linked and hasn't changed. The family imperatives box was on the national attestation which has is being updated and should be on the interior ministry site tomorrow Tuesday under something like "attestation déplacements de plus de 100km".
What's the chances of my next Spain holidays taking place, hoping for a trip in November and then another in February ?
Thanks Ed, I'll look out for the revised form tomorrow. The international travel one doesn't look like it's changed since I last looked into this.
I imagine if I'm going it would need to be this weekend or next. Perhaps a covering letter from the UK solicitor might help. If I procrastinate long enough I won't be able to go - might try that tactic...
Our holiday to Egypt in June is cancelled, bummer, but expected. I had thought to rebook for later in the year but realistically, what will a holiday to most detonations look like this year? PPE required to shop, restaurant queues and 50% occupancy to allow for social distancing, one in one out of the pools etc. In short, if you can fly and the resort/destination is open, is it worth it?
Perhaps a week in Cornwall instead, I thought. But then it’s likely to be a similar experience.
Trip to French Alps been rolled over to next year group very happy.
Another family member wanted to cross France to join his wife who is hospitalised in Spain. We couln't find a French form that allowed that, in fact all we could find suggested it wasn't allowed so we suggested they contact the embassy. The reply was no you can't. The latest plan is to fly to Gibralta and try to cross there, they are waiting on the Spanish reply to that.
But then it’s likely to be a similar experience.
Yup. I've decide to stay at home on the 10 days I booked off in August for an enforces break from work & bike training. Weather permitting I'm going to sit & drink Tea/Beer, take my kids out for some rides in the local forest, ride a bit myself with no power or targets to worry about, and do a few DIY jobs.
Basically I'm going to practise retirement 20 years early.
the only place that’s higher is the US unless someone can point me to stats that say otherwise.
Isn't Belgium up with us too?
@edukator Where in Spain? I've noticed a fair few 64 plates on the roads this week, indicating the border is open for cross-border workers at least.
I decided to put off the trip I was planning to UK, I'll look at it again in late June (danger then is getting trapped in the UK for 2 weeks' quarantine period - thought it might be better to get I have no useful contribution to make as it were).*
Could probably do it, holding the right forms and perhaps a letter from the UK solicitor, but would it be worth the stress? And would likely get my tyres slashed if the locals saw a Spanish van parked in their barrio (even though it's the worst Covid hotspot in the country, but they do love their Daily Mail-inspired vigilantism round there).
*edit Forum SW does a curious thing with a certain phrase! Didn't know that.
It’s the not knowing that’s driving us mad.
Two weeks in Morzine in mid August. Driving down.
I know the resort has said it’ll be open but will we be able to travel, use the lifts and go to the pool? Will the restaurants be open...we’re self catering and the thought of 2 weeks of family cooking on 2 hobs and a microwave doesn’t appeal!
Anyone spotted any more up to date news?
It’s the not knowing that’s driving us mad.
Two weeks in Morzine in mid August. Driving down.
I know the resort has said it’ll be open but will we be able to travel, use the lifts and go to the pool? Will the restaurants be open…we’re self catering and the thought of 2 weeks of family cooking on 2 hobs and a microwave doesn’t appeal!
Anyone spotted any more up to date news?
Who knows eh? France will be 'open' by then, unless they have to close down again of course. Morzine is well suited because however busy it gets in the Summer, it's still pretty spread out. I guess the lifts will have hundreds of metres of spaced out queues, but they'll still get roughly the same amount of people onto them, well, give or take.
But as you say, they're not even talking about allowing non-essentials international travel yet, and the few times they've managed to squeeze an answer out of a Minister they've been pretty downbeat on the idea of it.
Yes but read the small print:
"The only international service from the UK will fly from Gatwick to Nice."
And you aren't getting on a plane unless your wearing a mask and meet the "new" airport security checks - temp scanning etc, which I'm not sure are in place as yet?
Spoke to DFDS this morning, balance due tomoro, they said they won't cancel for a few weeks yet, and to hold on. They obviously know that this ain't happening in July, but can't really say that. Not bothered about a refund, credit would be fine, happy to put it off until next year, or even a wee mini break to Amsterdam at xmas.
Apparently Greece is going to re-open to international holidaymakers from June 15, but the UK is not expected to be on the list of permitted countries. Sounds fair enough to me as things stand.
Spoke to DFDS this morning, balance due tomoro, they said they won’t cancel for a few weeks yet, and to hold on. They obviously know that this ain’t happening in July, but can’t really say that. Not bothered about a refund, credit would be fine, happy to put it off until next year, or even a wee mini break to Amsterdam at xmas.
That's useful. I cancelled the return trip with Brittany Ferries yesterday - I'll get a credit note for the 25% deposit but won't have to pay the balance as I went for a fully flexible fare - for reasons I can't remember.
Our DFDS booking is for 3 July - they are showing all sailings cancelled until 17 June at the moment. I'd prefer a refund but I'll take a credit note if they insist. A bit of goodwill around discount on next years fares if using a credit note would go along way though, rather then suggesting that prices are going to rise - as if the implication from Brittany Ferries.
I've only paid 125 quid OTS, and did it with credit card, so could pursue it that way, but credit would be fine. We'll be going next year anyway (if allowed obv!)
I tend to only really book city breaks at late notice, so as far as holidays are concerned I haven’t really been affected yet. Not into sitting on a beach for two weeks, MrsD doesn’t ride so cycling holidays are out.
Not furloughed so I’ll probably be ready for a few days off by the end of July, but I suspect I’ll probably be having a long winter break. Whether I’ll get to actually go anywhere remains to be seen
Can only comment on DFDS Newcastle ferry booked for next week, 27th May. Cancelled as not sailing. Tried to re book online, to a cheaper crossing at the end of the year. DFDS wanted to keep the "extra" as a booking fee, saying that my original booking was non refundable. Finally, actually spoke to them. They were extremely helpful and the full refund was showing in my bank the next day.
If anyone is concerned about not getting away this summer, I just walked around Lidl in a pair of flip flops. It was remarkably close to being on a self-catering holiday in Europe.
I'm supposed to be in Slovenia in mid July. The operator has stated they will be restarting operations form June 23rd. Whether I can get there is another matter, Easyjet are only cancelling flights 7 days in advance, so who knows, but I doubt my flight will fly.
Still got my fingers crossed for Finale in October though.
Easyjet are only cancelling flights 7 days in advance
and although moving the flight is free of charge you'll need to pay any differences and is only open till May 2021, not really helpful when trying to move a summer holiday back
If anyone is concerned about not getting away this summer, I just walked around Lidl in a pair of flip flops. It was remarkably close to being on a self-catering holiday in Europe.
Ha ha, the Lidl twixt Pollença and Port de Pollença provides some endearing memories (fresh baked rolls, sushi and mini cucumbers) from some of the family holidays we’ve enjoyed there 😃
Still got my fingers crossed for Finale in October though.
Hearing this a lot & schools & unis planning to start in Sept, but this is start of flu season
It shouldn't be as bad as the start of the crisis for lots of reasons, but still gonna be a big surge in cases?
OTS - Interestingly, DFDS have off their own back changed my booking until the week before christmas, so no deposit lost, and means once the 21 season ferries open, we can change to that.
Reasonable behaviour IMO, quite happy.
So is there actually anything to stop me from going on holiday to say, Greece (when it opens to tourism) and just "self-isolating" at home when I get back? Or will the Fun Police come round and beat me up for having a sun tan in a non-approved fashion?
If Patel is reading this - here is a version for you:
So is there actually anythin' to stop me from goin' on holiday to say, Greece (when it opens to tourism) and just "self-isolatin'" at home when I get back? Or will the Fun Police come round and beat me up for havin' a sun tan in a non-approved fashion?
P.S. - still gettin' the annoyin' "GDPR popup" even after readin' Mark's posts and deletin' cookies.
Finally made the decision to cancel our Alps trip to Austria in early August.
Everything from there says it will all be open mid June to early July, restaurants are re-opening now so was looking good, until UK announcements today.
Had already paid the accommodation in full but would only get 20% back if cancelled after 20th June. With announcements today about 2 week quarantine starting 6th June and would be only be reassessed 3 weeks later it would take it past our cancellation date so may as well cancel now.
Tunnel crossing needs to be changed in the 2 weeks before travel so will leave it in place for now just in case things open up and we can find somewhere to go at short notice.
until UK announcements today.
Which can easily change in the next couple of months.
Hell the way things are going it could be lifted with things like agreements with other countries such as unified process to limit transmission when travelling etc.
I'd be surprised it's in long term if everyone is open for holiday business.
Cheers Nobeer - I suppose I should call them.
My relatives made it to Spain via Gibralta. The biggest headache was getting on the flight to Gibralta, two attempts to get through airport check-in at two day intervals. Anyhow, all now reunited in Spain.
I'm on 64 plates, Bob, we do some MTBing and walking in your part of the world most years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52781812
The owners of Schiphol, CDG, Frankfurt etc must have thought it was Christmas. Patel's hatred of foreigners leads her to sacrifice the UK airline industry as well as any hopes of the UK being a player on the global business scene. After this and Brexit we'll be like Cuba without the sunshine. Or the music.
...and there goes any hope of my trip to Morzine mid August, mind you these buffoons are changing their minds every other day, so could have changed again by then.
That’s the problem...I wish someone would just say ‘you aren’t going’
I hear Durham is nice for a break....
Looks unlikely for UK citizens due to the handling of the virus and that we're now apparently enforcing quarantine for people cummings coming into the UK.
I suspect they'll remove the quarantine for eu countries by end of June, and just apply it selectively to specific non eu countries based on their virus situation
Spain just announced its open for business from July. It really cannot afford not to be, economy on the costas needs tourism.
I'm supposed to be going to majorca for 2 weeks in July, flying out with easyjet and back with Ryanair.
Yesterday Ryanair cancelled the return flight, so I booked a different return with easyjet instead, not surprisingly it was v cheap at 30 euros per person.
I'm hopeful that I'll be able to go by then, it's a fast moving situation though so who knows really.
Our trip to Andorra is September has been pushed back to next year due to the uncertainty of getting in to Barcelona Airport (they had it bad even by Spanish standards) and no news yet on when the Valnord lift system will open for the summer
Poland cancelled for july not a big shock.
Hope Slovenia in October is fine
Looks like the UK for us this year, was going to Greece in July but can’t be sure if it will be possible.
These holiday resort countries will have to re open soon or all their hotels will go bust.
Moved our half term eurotunnel crossing to end of August so we can catch the tour. On the original tour schedule we would have missed it due to it being a week earlier than normal meaning the kids were still in school.
Coronavirus: France to reopen cafes, bars and restaurants https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52837232
Looking more hopeful that our Morzine holiday at the end of August may happen???
Looking more hopeful that our Morzine holiday at the end of August may happen???
The state of bars etc was never the issue - the problem is the restictions on travel imposed by UK and French authorities, with 14 days quarantine now required at each end. Thanks, "Johnson".
These holiday resort countries will have to re open soon or all their hotels will go bust.
They are open but Boris "Johnson" Johnson put a spanner in the works with 14 days of quarantine in order to keep people from Greece (very little CV19) out of the UK (lots of CV19). Weekend in Skegness, anyone?
Boris “Johnson” Johnson put a spanner in the works with 14 days of quarantine in order to keep people from Greece
with 14 days quarantine now required at each end.
france are dropping the quarantine requirment from 14th june, spain are dropping it from 1st July.
I expect we'll drop it too for arrivals from eu countries.
I'm quietly confident that I'll be able to get to mallorca in july
france are dropping the quarantine requirment from 14th june,
Not from the UK they aren't.
I expect we’ll drop it too for arrivals from eu countries.
Because the Home Secretary is so pro-EU ? I hope you're right but I don't share your confidence!!
Just say you're dom cummings, then no need for quarantine when you come back.
Not from the UK they aren’t.
According to this article (see para 5 & 6), the quarantine will be voluntary
According to this article (see para 5 & 6), the quarantine will be voluntary
https://www.thelocal.fr/20200528/latest-france-aims-to-reopen-borders-for-european-travel-from-june-15th
/blockquote>Unless you're planning a one way trip you still have to deal with quaratine on the return. Can't help but think it is about making sure people have as little awareness of just how badly the UK has handled everything by trying to stop people leaving.
Still no.
The key words are hope "hope" and "aim" which are not "will", he said the decision will be European not just French, and then you have to interpret "European". And it will be on the basis of reciprocity, and everything depends on the evolution of the virus.
Nothing is certain yet. Two weeks is a long time in CV 19 times. I personally would be a little pissed off with opening up to a country with about 10 times the infection rate with a population reticent to follow their own government's advice let alone stupid foreign laws. I'm not sure I'm very keen on opening up the region I live in which has close to zero new case to people from Paris, but that's what's now possible.
It looks like my planned trip to Germany is back on.
I am beginning to wonder if I cancelled our August trip to Menorca too hastily.
Maybe I’ll give it 6 weeks and drop onto last minute searches...
Exactly, the issue is not whether countries are 'open for business' it's whether they're willing to accept people from the UK given our bloody numbers.
I can see the bloody annoying situation whereby the rest of the EU is happily effectively open for (socially distanced) limited tourism by we here aren't allowed to leave our shores to partake by the rabidly antiEU Govt...
So it looks like my holiday plans can be cancelled
With four weeks to go before our Lake garda and Alps trip we have finally decided to put it on hold and rather than cancel have got the agreement for the same dates in 2021.
Will be contacting the tunnel nearer the time to see what can be done.
With a bit of luck we will get some trips in the UK July and August and are holding fire on cancelling the Sospel, San Remo and Finale trip for late September till nearer the time
Quarantining us if we go to europe probably makes sense, but at this point every european that comes here makes us all statistically slightly safer. If I was one of the countries that did the right, hard thing I'd be very wary about people from a country that's still ****ing it up coming over and undoing even a tiny part of it...
Even if you believed you could get to Greece or other wise.
Do you think you'd be able to relax with the fluidity of the situation ?