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I can see quite alot of resentment from the younger generations if, having been put on severe restrictions and given up so much for 18 months, they then have to watch as all the vaccinated folks get to go on holiday, whilst they are stuck at home.
If I was 20 and had sacrificed a good chunk of my youth to protect the vulnerable, that would feel like a kick in the teeth
My eldest is 18 this year - should be doing something nice somewhere foreign with his mates after A levels this summer.
I've not heard him, or his mates in his wider social circle a couple of years older, or any of the young people we know through the youth groups we are involved with, suggest that they hold any resentment on the oldies maybe going abroad when they can't. They are just putting their heads down, and doing what they need to do so that all aspects of restrictions can be eased as as soon as practicable for all of us.
It seems another STW concern that I'm really not seeing out in the real world.
I think it's yet another millenial moaning campaign 😉
the message is the under 50s will get it after the 50 and over groups. do keep up at the back!!
And where is the plan, show me the latest guidance on how it is going to be rolled out, teachers? shop workers, bus drivers? etc. The plans are to get the 9 groups done in the near future, then what?
and worth dropping this here.
https://www.ft.com/content/d2e00128-7889-4d5d-84a3-43e51355a751
That article is from October, the Govt have changed their mind 87 times since then.
I'm under 50 and I'm quite happy to wait my turn
I’ve not heard him, or his mates in his wider social circle a couple of years older, or any of the young people we know through the youth groups we are involved with, suggest that they hold any resentment on the oldies
Perhaps, we'll see
As for that ft article, I thought it had been made pretty clear every adult will be offered a vaccine, just further down the line. The aim is for everyone to have a first dose by Sept.
I’m under 50 and I’m quite happy to wait [s] my [/s] to turn 50
FTFY 😉
🤣🤣🤣... Only 7 months away. 🤦
When was the last time there was any mention of vaccines and under 50’s? It’s almost as if the plan is to stop and let the virus run amok in under 50’s
I believe that is one of the possibilities being discussed....
My eldest is 18 this year – should be doing something nice somewhere foreign with his mates after A levels this summer.
I’ve not heard him, or his mates in his wider social circle a couple of years older, or any of the young people we know through the youth groups we are involved with, suggest that they hold any resentment on the oldies maybe going abroad when they can’t. They are just putting their heads down, and doing what they need to do so that all aspects of restrictions can be eased as as soon as practicable for all of us.
It seems another STW concern that I’m really not seeing out in the real world
You've got to be kidding, or you're Ned Flanders. I couldn't look my niece's and nephews in the eye if I got given the green light to travel whilst they're expected to sit at home to some time unknown. The 18 year old me would certainly not have taken that in good grace. And I'm not being selfish here, I'm not considering a trip even should I get a jab later this year (52 years young).
When was the last time there was any mention of vaccines and under 50’s? It’s almost as if the plan is to stop and let the virus run amok in under 50’s
the message is the under 50s will get it after the 50 and over groups.
46 year old wife got the text from the doctors today, shes getting it thursday. shes as shocked as i am and can only think its cos she uses an inhaler now and then.....
By the autumn everyone in Scotland over the age of 18 should have been offered one of the Covid vaccinations. That's 4.4 million people.
But this will depend entirely on supplies - and just now, public health experts say they only know how many doses they can expect until June.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54984390
I couldn’t look my niece’s and nephews in the eye if I got given the green light to travel whilst they’re expected to sit at home to some time unknown.
Well that's your choice.
Personally, if we're able to we'll be off somewhere as soon as we can.
But this will depend entirely on supplies – and just now, public health experts say they only know how many doses they can expect until June.
The schedule for the Oxford one is 100m doses at 2m per week over 50 weeks. Obviously something can go wrong, but that's the 'nothing goes wrong' delivery schedule. Ahead of the curve so far, averaging 3m a week.
. I couldn’t look my niece’s and nephews in the eye if I got given the green light to travel whilst they’re expected to sit at home to some time unknown
Well, we're not planning on rubbing his nose in it, Rule 1 and all that. But him and his mates - who are perfectly aware of how they've been done over by the older generation in a variety of ways - really are nowhere near as wound up about these things compared to some on here.
46 year old wife got the text from the doctors today, shes getting it thursday. shes as shocked as i am and can only think its cos she uses an inhaler now and then…..
Plenty of this going round. Some gp's just vaccinating anyone with any kind of long term ailment. Others sticking religiously to the rules. I don't think it's down to the gp howver, they get a list from somewhere. Im not sure how it works but there appears to be a fairly large slice of luck involved!
Well that’s your choice.
Personally, if we’re able to we’ll be off somewhere as soon as we can.
Yep, we're all in it together whilst it suits us 🙄
Plenty of this going round. Some gp’s just vaccinating anyone with any kind of long term ailment. Others sticking religiously to the rules. I don’t think it’s down to the gp howver, they get a list from somewhere. Im not sure how it works but there appears to be a fairly large slice of luck involved!
A guy I work with was surprised to get the call for a vaccine as he's under 60, turns out he has a hole in his heart... I think some people's minor ailments might be another persons major but they are in the same pot and thus both getting vaccinated
I’ve not heard him, or his mates in his wider social circle a couple of years older, or any of the young people we know through the youth groups we are involved with, suggest that they hold any resentment on the oldies maybe going abroad when they can’t. They are just putting their heads down, and doing what they need to do so that all aspects of restrictions can be eased as as soon as practicable for all of us.
It seems another STW concern that I’m really not seeing out in the real world.
And yet I am. Not from my own 2 who are at Uni with their own education related issues but on the Interweb. Its almost as though both of our perceptions are anecdotal.
My 2 are pretty ok with all of the restrictions but many of their friends, friends of friends etc are flouting the guidelines. I dont share your view that they are "putting their heads down" and getting on with it. I think the degree of adherence to guidelines will be strained if older people are vaccinated and can travel and younger are not, particularly as they may perceive Covid as something less likely to impact on them.
Raab says Boris will provide clarity on what Summer Hols we can have, on Monday. Don't raise your expectation too high, however old or entitled you are. 😉
And don’t forget.....
It might not matter what Boris and co say.....
If other countries add the UK to their own Red ( other colours may be quoted ) list they may not allow visitors from the UK anyway .....
I’m not planning on going anywhere this year as a result... then I can’t get disappointed
Good point. I have a fried in Cyprus and although the rely on a lot of Brit Tourism he says locally we are the country they are most nervous of inviting back...
My eldest is 18 this year – should be doing something nice somewhere foreign with his mates after A levels this summer.
I’ve not heard him, or his mates in his wider social circle a couple of years older, or any of the young people we know through the youth groups we are involved with, suggest that they hold any resentment on the oldies maybe going abroad when they can’t. They are just putting their heads down, and doing what they need to do so that all aspects of restrictions can be eased as as soon as practicable for all of us.
It seems another STW concern that I’m really not seeing out in the real world.
I think you're being pretty naive if you think that supposedly your 18 year old wouldn't hold a grudge let alone the wider young population. I'd not be ecstatic if I wasn't able to travel at that age but the elder population would.
Maybe what they tell you and what they think really think are two different things.
I'm 41 and will be pissed off if i see a while load of old people clearing off on holiday because they have had the vaccine due to their risk.
I have no issue with them getting the vaccine before my age group as they need it due to the risk of them having bigger effects. However that is not a free pass to sod off on holiday just because they can when the rest of us are not allowed.
I’m 32, my wife’s 31 and we’re feeling a bit down about the vaccine schedule. Just as we reach the point where we have enough money to go and have a last big adventure before we have kids (and, to be honest, go on holidays abroad at all - almost all of our holidays have been in the UK), the pandemic robbed us of 2020, and the vaccine schedule will probably rob us of 2021 as well.
I resent it, but it’s not like there’s anything I can do about it, and I don’t know how the rollout could be different (other than a hell of a lot quicker in Scotland…). So, I feel glum about it but not angry.
I think the key point here is those of us who haven't been vaccinated are still at risk, maybe with lower severity. I'm just under 50 and overweight (although I'm actively addressing that, 5Kg down since Christmas, partly due to the wake up call Covid has been) so have the potential to be quite ill. The vaccine might stop the older population from getting it bad but they could still cause a big spike in less severe cases amongst the rest of us and while death or long term hopsitialisation may be a lot less likely I really don't want to be properly ill, potentially end up in hospital or get long covid because a group the rest of us have sacrificed a lot for over the last 12 months can't now do the same for us for a few more months.
WEll lets see if anything comes from todays discussions.
Was chatting to Mrs Weeksy at the weekend at Portugal at end of May and looking at all the figures now, i think if we're allowed and the event is on... then we'd arguably go.
But not with £1750 per person and 10 days quarentine we wouldn't that's for sure.
But with a pre-flight and return flight covid test being £500+ for 3 people, that would increase the expense dramatically and maybe that would be a deal-breaker. That's the one thing i can't see changing by May, the need to get a CV19 test.
I'm not sure we're going to get much guidance regarding summer hols from todays announcement.
Too far in the future to make any promises, too many unknowns, etc.
The brainless optimism of last year has been less obvious during this second wave - I think he's now realised that promising everyone they can get on a plane at the end of July might come back and bite him.
But not with £1750 per person and 10 days quarentine we wouldn’t that’s for sure.
I love how it's a flat rate £1750.....
Having a family member who's a manager of a chain branch airport hotel who are participating.
Normal price 35 quid a night
covid quaranitine price to gov .... 67 quid.
Gov charge 175 quid a night.
Ok some folk get the Radisson for 1750 .... Others don't.....you can imagine what 35 quid a night gets you in an airport hotel.
Not in any rush to travel although it would be nice to see my parents not through a screen....but not at the expense of getting on a plane.
The vaccine might stop the older population from getting it bad but they could still cause a big spike in less severe cases amongst the rest of us and while death or long term hopsitialisation may be a lot less likely I really don’t want to be properly ill, potentially end up in hospital or get long covid because a group the rest of us have sacrificed a lot for over the last 12 months can’t now do the same for us for a few more months.
I am in agreement with you, but... unfortunately I think there is a sizeable chunk (I don't think a majority) of the older population that are considering the vaccination like a passport to normality. While I understand they are keen to "get back to normal" I think there is a lack of awareness of exactly what the vaccine does and that its not a free pass. There still need to be sensible behaviour. Also although I hate crowds I think it would be good if the money was spent in the UK.
unfortunately I think there is a sizeable chunk (I don’t think a majority) of the older population that are considering the vaccination like a passport to normality. While I understand they are keen to “get back to normal” I think there is a lack of awareness of exactly what the vaccine does and that its not a free pass. There still need to be sensible behaviour.
This is the message the government and the press need to be highlighting. We need to edge out of this. Too much mixing - home or abroad - might not affect the young or the vaccinated too badly, but it will still add extra pressure while the NHS tries catch its breath and plan how to catch up on normal backlogs, and more crucially, give more opportunities for variants to emerge
will be pissed off if i see a while load of old people clearing off on holiday because they have had the vaccine due to their (own) risk
But they will, won't they. Jab and Go. the govt. will be desperate to get people going out again, getting money being spent. By May it will feel like we're boing told "Go to Pret, go to Corsica, go go!".
Meanwhile the younger generations, who don't have the pension, don't have stable jobs, can't afford their own home, have grown up through austerity and cuts to their safety nets. Watching the boomers swanning around off on their holibobs, meanwhile waiting for their jab....
riots by August?
I think what us unvaccinated types need to remember is to stay well away from the vaccinated ones who apparently don’t spread that much contagion but won’t show it at all - silent spreaders. Give them a wide berth, don’t spend time talking to them, if they turn up walk in the opposite direction.
Please read the above as fact or satire as you see fit. Either way it’s not well written really is it?
riots by August?
Nah, they'll be too busy at illegal raves and parties
On the news this morning, all the holiday companies busiest day yesterday after the latest announcements. Foreign holiday bookings through the roof....
Foreign holiday bookings through the roof….
Excellent, all the plebs will have ****ed off leaving me to my quiet woodland residence 🙂
PCR tests required both ways at the moment for a lot of destinations, maybe further down the line, despite what the UK gov. says, if the destination requires proof of vaccine, you'll need to be vaccinated which potentially means no travel till September for most, judging by the current rate of vaccination.
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On the news this morning, all the holiday companies busiest day yesterday after the latest announcements. Foreign holiday bookings through the roof….
My magicball foretells a future with lots of whining coming through the media when a lot of people can't go abroad due to lockdowns/not having a vaccination and that they never took out appropriate (if it's even available) insurance to cover their losses.
I'm thinking much the same as Kryton here. I really am hoping that people do go abroad so I can ride my bike in peace. I'm not planning on going far this summer at all.
I’m thinking much the same as Kryton here. I really am hoping that people do go abroad so I can ride my bike in peace. I’m not planning on going far this summer at all.
Me too. We avoided going to our usual haunts last year , even after restrictions were lifted, because they were all so busy and the poor locals were already suffering. I'll be scunnered if it's the same again this year.
Obvioulsy they want the tourism money back as it's very significant, but if I'm reading this right, you might need negative tests each way *and* a vaccine certificate?
Spain to add Covid-19 vaccine passport to travel corridor scheme
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12:08 CET+01:00Spain to add Covid-19 vaccine passport to travel corridor scheme
Although Covid vaccine passports are not yet a reality in Spain, the country's Tourism Minister has already added it to the safe travel protocol. Photo: AFP
Spain's Tourism Minister has announced that Covid vaccination certificates or passports will form part of the safe travel corridor scheme her government is preparing to allow the reopening of international tourism.Spanish Minister of Industry, Commerce and Tourism Reyes Maroto on Monday told journalists in Castellón (Valencia) that her government plans to incorporate vaccine passports or certificates to the safe travel corridors they are planning, as “an element of safe mobility”.
"We already have safety protocols in place but we want to take another step to help restart travel as soon as the coronavirus situation allows for it," Maroto said.
There is no indication Spain’s Tourism Ministry intends to replace negative PCR or antigen tests with vaccine passports as a means of proving one doesn’t have Covid-19 before entering Spain, but rather these will be another way of guaranteeing that there isn’t infection risk.
Minister Maroto added that her government was working with the EU and the OECD to “adopt common protocols that give travellers the confidence that they can travel safely”.
However Spain’s chief epidemiologist Fernando Simón is reported to not be convinced by the prospect of Spain adopting and allowing a Covid-19 vaccine passport “for the moment”, suggesting that “a lot more research is needed” and “it can’t be set up quickly”.
Regarding Spain’s Tourism Ministry's planned safe travel corridors, Reyes Maroto stated that Spain was already a pioneer in this regard and had set them up “with great agility” last summer.
"We already have these protocols approved for use in the Canary Islands and the Balearic Islands and we are working with the Valencia region, Catalonia and Andalusia,” Maroto stated.
The reality is that last year’s travel corridors had limited success as Spain’s Canary Islands and the Balearics, the two main locations to trial them last summer, were affected by restrictions and travel bans both at home and abroad due to ever-changing infection rates, meaning the scheme never really took off.
When international tourism will restart again in Spain is the big question that remains.
Maroto said that the opening of international tourism fair Fitur at the end of May was “great news” as it “would allow the world to see how Spain and the Valencia region were a quality and safe destination”.
“The pandemic sets the pace,” she said when asked if her department believed it was possible to ‘save Easter’ in terms of tourism, adding that once the infection and vaccines figures are favourable it would be easier to set a date.
Maroto did add nonetheless that if Spain’s government's vaccination campaign goes to plan and herd immunity is achieved throughout the summer "it gives hope and certainty that that the second semester of 2021 will be when the reactivation of the tourism sector" takes place.
“We must be prudent and not take a step backwards, which can lead to a new wave, and the consequences for the tourism sector would be potentially worse,” Maroto concluded.
riots by August?
Nah, they’ll be too busy at illegal raves and parties
Holiday squatting in vacated boomer's mansions.
Holiday squatting in vacated boomer’s mansions.
This is actually an issue in Spain, squatting is a real problem and getting it sorted through the courts is a long and expensive process.
There are companies that will 'get rid' of squatters for you without going through the time and expence of the court process, I suspect they send the heavies round to kick the living daylights out of the squatters.
I too hope that more will bog off to foreign climes - and leave our family in peace...
That said, in Scotland I am fortunate enough that once you leave the carpark you can find some peace and solitude.
If I can find it on Instagram or some kind of vLogger/blogger site, I am not visiting this year. That's my planning rule.
A lot of people are putting deposits down on holidays (here & abroad) because most companies have good covid refund policies
Also lots of people have trips fully or part paid & deferred from last year are just rebooking now
I think many are willing to accept it may not happen, but will get it deferred/refunded, even if headline booking figures are up
Tourism/hospitality industries everywhere are in dire straights so Id fully expect some sort of vaccine passport / test to travel scheme to be in place by early summer, even tho vaccination rates won't really be high enough to justify it.
This means those that can afford it (an extra 2 grand? for a family in testing fees) will get their holiday in the med this year
The rest of us will just have to pray to the weather gods we get another scorchio summer in the UK (tho our place we normally stay it in Cornwall has booked out months earlier than normal some weeks back)
Johnson has said that we will have an "incomparably better summer this year" so expectations will be high
My buddies are all getting a bit carried away that we might make it to the Pyrenees in July.
Thing is at this rate I don't think I'd want to go, even if there weren't any additional costs, I've already sort of shifted my mindset to a local holiday again, and can't imagine a foreign trip being very restful, trying to make it through the various transport hubs *JUST* as restrictions are starting to ease.
So I should really put my money where my mouth is and commit to that bikepacking gear I was going to buy, since I don't imagine I'll find accommodation where and when I need it in the highlands for my planned trips...
Re vaccine passports and tests - most if not all airlines want a Neg test before you get on a plane at either end. Despite not going, I researched our desired Menorca destination via Jet2 and this was the case with a free test offered at the hotel 24hrs before departure. Jet2 do have a very good :own brand: Covid policy so this will have encouraged people to book.
This means those that can afford it (an extra 2 grand? for a family in testing fees
Our holiday would have only been an extra £200 (10 days all inc. Menorca) but you can book for 2022 and that's already showing as £800 more.
The rest of us will just have to pray to the weather gods we get another scorchio summer in the UK (tho our place we normally stay it in Cornwall has booked out months earlier than normal some weeks back)
I'm putting the holiday money I've saved toward some Ratten furniture.... Like Mr P I'm looking forward to hitting some bike time.
A lot of people are putting deposits down on holidays (here & abroad) because most companies have good covid refund policies
Also lots of people have trips fully or part paid & deferred from last year are just rebooking now
I think many are willing to accept it may not happen, but will get it deferred/refunded, even if headline booking figures are up
This is true for us.
We've booked flights and a hotel somewhere warm in late August. We can cancel the hotel up to 14 days before arrival and the flights were cheap so if we lose money on them so be it (though I suspect they'll either be cancelled with refund or moved).
Car or transfers we'll worry about close to the time.
It's something to look forward to and it's not a huge financial outlay.
Yep same. We deferred our 2020 hol (in Canada) and rebooked it over Xmas to September 2021. We confirmed that the cancellation policies are pretty relaxed so if it doesn't look sensible then we'll just reschedule again. By getting in early we got the flights £500 cheaper this year than they were going to be last year...
My magicball foretells a future with lots of whining coming through the media when a lot of people can’t go abroad due to lockdowns/not having a vaccination and that they never took out appropriate (if it’s even available) insurance to cover their losses.
I can see a fair bit of this. Maybe not that they can't go abroad but that they can't get back again, having tested positive at departure after two weeks drunken snogging randoms at 3am in a sweaty club.
an extra 2 grand? for a family in testing fees
WTF, it is 35 euros to get a test in Germany, 70 euros if you forget to get it done in advance and get the test at the airport before flying.
What about the Channel Tunnel and ferries?
Will they also have vaccination or Covid negative test conditions of travel?
WTF, it is 35 euros to get a test in Germany, 70 euros if you forget to get it done in advance and get the test at the airport before flying.
these are the current prices for getting a test upon return to England
Get a test before travelling
You must have proof of a negative coronavirus test to travel to England – this includes UK citizens. You must take the test in the 3 days before the service on which you will arrive in England departs.For example, if you travel directly to England on Friday, you must take the test on the Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday.
See the jobs with testing travel exemptions to find out whether your job qualifies for an exemption and what that exemption covers. You may need to show evidence of the work you will be doing at the border.
Book your travel testing package
Everyone must book a travel test package – this costs £210. You must take a COVID-19 test on or before day 2 for variant surveillance and a test on or after day 8 to check that you do not have COVID-19.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-quarantine-when-you-arrive-in-england
so if you are blessed with 4 kids like me thats £1260 to come back to UK
and tests for travel to France costs between £89-£295
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/12/test-to-release-price-comparison-/
two weeks drunken snogging randoms at 3am in a sweaty club.
I've changed my mind, I do want to go abroad. Where do I sign up for this?
so ive worked straight through since Jul* last year covering for those unavoidable gaps and now no chance to get away this year as i just cant hope to meet the costs.
any spaces at that £35/night hotel you were talking about?
thanks.
DONT EVER USE OPODO.
If people are happy to take the financial risk booking a holiday now then they can go ahead with no argument from me. What I won't like will be the people who book a holiday then do this:
My magicball foretells a future with lots of whining coming through the media when a lot of people can’t go abroad due to lockdowns/not having a vaccination and that they never took out appropriate (if it’s even available) insurance to cover their losses.
I can see a fair bit of this. Maybe not that they can’t go abroad but that they can’t get back again, having tested positive at departure after two weeks drunken snogging randoms at 3am in a sweaty club.
Those people can go swivel, they should know the risks as it's blatantly obvious with even the most basic of research. There will be lots of them come September, crying that it's unfair that their kids can't go back to school etc all because of their 'right' to have a holiday abroad.
I’m thinking much the same as Kryton here. I really am hoping that people do go abroad so I can ride my bike in peace. I’m not planning on going far this summer at all.
Same here. I'm hoping to do a camping trip or two this year at most, using scotroutes' plan of going to the lesser known places which won't appeal to the masses. I did have a trip planned with friends to the Alps but we've moved that back a year or more now. I could still do a solo trip myself (much easier to deal with delays, tests etc) but I don't have the drive to do so as it's not really the same. If I can do my originally planned SDW ride this year and have a few days riding with mates somewhere (even if it's 2-3 day trips) then I'll consider this year a success holiday-wise.
We have booked the channel tunnel in mid July. It was a really good deal so took the risk. Fingers crossed we can travel sensibly. E we also have a trip to Andorra in September carried forward from last year. Let’s hope the other countries let us in
There will be no normal international holibobs before September. And then it will require PCR both ways and vax.
Damn I should be Prime Minister - this is easy.
Those people can go swivel, they should know the risks as it’s blatantly obvious with even the most basic of research. There will be lots of them come September, crying that it’s unfair that their kids can’t go back to school etc all because of their ‘right’ to have a holiday abroad.
Wait till they see the queues at the “all other countries” passport desk. 😀
They’re in for a world of pain.
Wait till they see the queues at the “all other countries” passport desk. 😀
They’re in for a world of pain.
I'll be one of them, but it will be totes funny!
EDIT- Untill Chantelle from Burnley has a ruckus with security. then it's not so much fun.
I’ll be one of them, but it will be totes funny!
As the last tweet on a humorous Twitter thread I read said, “oh and your Irish mate, he’s in arrivals having a pint and he’ll see you in half an hour...” 😀
I rolled my booking from last summer forward to this year, it was all paid for so long ago it feels like a free holiday now as I would usually be putting the money aside now.
I'm optimistic it might happen, I've had my first jab of the vaccine, kids will be being tested for school, wife is due a jab soon. If the chance is there to get away then I will take it. If not then it will get rolled forwards to 2022
I'm pretty much in the position as Steve-G - holiday rolled over from last summer - not sure if it'll be possible or not (Road-trip to Lake Garda) i'm going to wait and see how things are looking late April/early May and make a decision at that point.
We should be able to roll it over again so no issues.
My wife has had the first Jab, and at 48 i'm hoping i should be done in April/May so that may not be a barrier, however I've got absolutely no intention of £800+ on testing for a family of 4 so that might be the deciding factor.
Posted this in the main thread but it's equally applicable here:
So the plan to put arrivals in Quarantine Hotels is going as planned then: (from the Guardian Live feed)
Around 99% of daily arrivals in the UK are not going into hotel quarantine, MPs have been told.
The home affairs select committee were told by the Border Force director general, Paul Lincoln, that there are around 14,000 to 15,000 people arriving in the UK through all ports each day, of which around 150 a day are going into mandatory hotel quarantine. There are currently about 1,100 to 1,200 people in total in hotels since the requirement was introduced 10 days ago.
British and Irish nationals or UK residents arriving from a list of 33 countries are now required to book a 10-day quarantine package costing £1,750 per adult. Lincoln told the MPs that Public Health England are due to publish a figure on the proportion of Covid cases believed to be coming into the country from overseas. He said previously it was estimated to be 0.5% of domestic cases but he understood it was now significantly lower.
The chair of the committee, Yvette Cooper, asked what the compliance rate was for the 99% of arrivals who were required to quarantine at home. Lincoln said the latest assessment by the police is around 85%.
Defending the whole policy, the home secretary, Priti Patel, said nearly 8,000 sample calls were taking place every day to ensure travellers were self isolating. “I would like to put this in wider context of the measures in place, this is a layered approach,” she said. She went on:
“People are now familiar with the testing prior to travel, passenger locator form, all the measures put in place to give assurance … this is all about managing the risk.”
1% of arrivals in the hotels, the rest being trusted to isolate at home with a check-up phone call? They need to get this whole system running smoothly before the hoardes go on their hollibobs.
British and Irish nationals or UK residents arriving from a list of 33 countries are now required to book a 10-day quarantine package costing £1,750 per adult.
what are the red list countries? perhaps it is a sufficient deterent to stop them coming at all. given the amount of warning they had, likely most people in those countries either got in before the hotels went live, or have decided to delay their journey home.
what are the red list countries?
Currently:
Angola
Argentina
Bolivia
Botswana
Brazil
Burundi
Cape Verde
Chile
Colombia
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Ecuador
Eswatini
French Guiana
Guyana
Lesotho
Malawi
Mauritius
Mozambique
Namibia
Panama
Paraguay
Peru
Portugal (including Madeira and the Azores)
Rwanda
Seychelles
South Africa
Suriname
Tanzania
United Arab Emirates (UAE)
Uruguay
Venezuela
Zambia
Zimbabwe
Aside from Portugal, I don't imgaine theres a huge amount of traffic.
Still sitting waiting patiently/impatiently to see what the next 3-4 weeks brings in terms of our trip to Portugal.
The infection and deaths are dropping massively in Europe but there does seem to be concerns of following infections.
Then you get this
As we reported earlier, Health Secretary Matt Hancock has been speaking during a visit to a Covid testing facility in Glasgow.
Asked about travel restrictions, Hancock says he hopes as lockdowns are lifted across the UK people will be able to travel between the different nations.
"I'm confident because of the vaccine we will be able to make that progress and then be able to, all of us, to travel freely wherever we are within these islands," he says.
"I've said before that I'm optimistic for a great British summer and I'm now more optimistic about having a great British summer than I have been at any time, thanks to the speed and the effectiveness of the vaccine rollout."
He adds the travel rules for Scotland are a matter for the Scottish government.
Which very much gives the implication that the Gov are seeing Europe as a no-go.
Matt Hancock has lied his way through quite a bit of the pandemic so wouldnt necessarily take what he says at face value!
that the Gov are seeing Europe as a no-go
Its not just their choice, other may not want us dirty Brits in for a bit. They'll be balancing the cost of UK Tourism income with our propensity to over populate beaches and get pissed in large sweaty groups before puking and dancing in the streets.
Its not just their choice, other may not want us dirty Brits in for a bit.
GThats fine with me if thats the rules put in place. At the moment i'd just like to know.
They’ll be balancing the cost of UK Tourism income with our propensity to over populate beaches and get pissed in large sweaty groups before puking and dancing in the streets.
You'd think after nearly half a century of cheap package holidays, Spain and Portugal would have that cost / benefit calculation nailed.
You’d think after nearly half a century of cheap package holidays, Spain and Portugal would have that cost / benefit calculation nailed.
Now theyll have to factor in cost of associated covid surge etc
Realistically its going to be carnage
After a year of being cooped up in lockdown, the country is desperate for a holiday, the smaller your house, the more densely populated your local area, makes it even more so.
But those areas the most deprived & they can less afford the extra costs that will be required... Testing fees, vaccine passport & possible post holiday quarantine
Where as better off can both better absorb cost of those extras & more likely to be able to wfh during a post holiday quarantine..
On top of that many UK sites already booked out and this will force up prices at home, not to mention means a quiet get away to the beach/lakes will mean queues of traffic....
Government will be balancing risks with damage to holiday firms (even holidays abroad bring in UK revenue & employ UK staff)
On top of that many UK sites already booked out and this will force up prices at home
I had a quick look at a campsite I have been to before and to pitch my tent on a square of grass this coming July is listed at £81 a night. A couple of years ago I paid £48 a night which I thought was expensive back then. I have said it before but I think this summer will be spent close to home. I have had plenty of holidays over the past 10 years so I won't feel cheated if I don't have one this year.
Tunnel booked for 25 june, its on a flexible ticket so ill just move it, i'll keep the van packed & ready to go soon as im able
I'm expecting to do very little trade abroad this year. The chance of getting straight into EU without 10 to 14 days isolation on arrival is too great. We may be able to get into southern Italy, Valencia and Portugal for quarter 4 but we're not holding our breath.
Had a useful chat with the organiser of our late-July trip to the French Pyrenees (Sportive Breaks).
They expect a government update April 12th which will spell out the UK government's approach to foreign travel.
They also expect that trips will be able to resume in June, and are optimistic about our trip in July.
They obviously can't speak for foreign governments so that remains up in the air.
They did concede that if, e.g. a costly restriction still remained such as £1750 10 day quarantine in hotels, then they would probably cancel trips.
The grey area is perhaps the cost of a negative test certificate or similar.
This is positive from the perspective that trip might still go ahead.
Less positive is that if restrictions have eased enough that airlines and tour organisers can still offer trips then likelihood of full refunds if e.g. you just don't fancy it because of risk or remaining low level restrictions, then cost is on you.
Personally I'm not really sure I fancy it, but right now that looks like it could cost me £500 in cancelled flights and non-refundable deposits, so is a tricky one.
By the looks of it South West will be rammed full of staycationing grockles this year.
Yay! Please come and breath all over us.
Ouch
lookd like holidays will be available only to the well off
https://www.which.co.uk/news/2021/03/uk-seaside-accommodation-prices-surge-for-summer-dates/
Bugger, I'm booking my Cairngorms trip now!
They did concede that if, e.g. a costly restriction still remained such as £1750 10 day quarantine in hotels, then they would probably cancel trips.
Mmmm so they'll take the hit if guests are able to travel, but have to quarantine in hotels on return.
I'm not sure I'd believe them.