Realistically, EU holidaying by late summer?

Personally I doubt it, the winter will hopefully be fine, but I can't see it especially for us. They will just enforce a ban on non-schengen travel I suspect

We have morzine and burgundy in Aug, I'm 50-50

We rebooked our cycling trip to mallorca at Easter to October half term. Not that optimistic tbh.

I'd say no.

Absolutely no idea.

I'm hoping for a surf trip to Morocco in December. Which is neither in the EU or late summer. But a lot more likely to happen I think.

I was hoping to do a hiking holiday in September but doubt it now, can’t see things being normal until a vaccine is found. Also can see insurances going up.

I'm not even sure a trip to Skeggy will be allowed before the end of summer.

The chances of all the airlines/hotels/operators still going is slim.

The odds of getting insurance for a holiday will be next to nothing.

Good luck.

Who really knows?

The only real data we have is France is planning to lift some restrictions next week (or maybe the week after, I forget) and return to 'normal' in early July. I suppose we have to bare in mind that Tourism is a huge Industry for France, it's the most visited country in the world so they may be painting a rosier picture than most..

Spain and Italy are also starting or planning to lift their restrictions now, they will both likely start on the 4th of May, but no plans for 'normality' yet.

It's all subject to change of course.

Personally I've got a Family hols booked in France on the 24th of July for a week, I'm thinking about 75% likely.

We're also trying to shift flights / accom for the revised Passportes dates at the end of Aug, I'm thinking 95% likely.

The great unknown is the UK, it would be really crass to try to make positives out of numbers of deaths, but revised figures based on when people died rather than when they were reported is showing we're passed the worst of things.

I wouldn't personally book anything now unless whoever you're booking with is going to offer a 100% refund guarantee if you're not able to go. AirBnB offered one, only we've found that once fees and whatnot are taken, you're lucky to get 50% back (I didn't book it personally, but that's my impression).

I think not, but large swathes of the med are totally reliant on tourism, there is going to be a lot of political and financial pressure to open up. It could come down to a personal decision whether you think it is worth the risk, or our own governments banning flights.

I have got 2 weeks in Majorca booked for early June, but I suspect Majorca might be open then but no way am I risking it so I will lose the cost of my hotel.

Im booked to go sailing in the greek islands in August. My travel insurance covers any Covid cancellations booked before Mar 20th, so at least I'm covered.

Not a snowballs chance in hell.
We are ****ed.
That's according to my daughter who is one of those boffin scientists working on sorting this debacle.

Until we have a vaccine I can’t see mass international travel restarting any time soon. Uk holidays for us this year I think.

50/50 at best I reckon

Im booked to go sailing in the greek islands in August. My travel insurance covers any Covid cancellations booked before Mar 20th, so at least I’m covered.

Do they still cover you if the Greek government say "we are open for business as usual" when there is still a realistic risk?

Is the UK government going to advise the public according to sound scientific reasoning, or come to the rescue of the insurance industry?

We have booked to go to åre for xmas and I reckon that is probably 50:50.
Our summer holiday plans are going to be a week or 2 camping at family farm as I reckon all the holiday homes and campsites will be rammed once internal travel is allowed again

AFAIK Ins Cos generally go on Foreign Office advice / rules.

Spain will have to lift some restrictions, there's no way the economy will survive without at least some tourism. Whether that will include allowing British tourists in is debateable, of course.

I very much doubt it.

I doubt it

I am expecting the annual summer trip to the highlands and Orkney to be off. We need to look after ourselves and the people in the places we visit.

We've cancelled our "once in a lifetime" Canada trip that was last week of June for three weeks.

Insurance isn't going to pay unless it's the retained deposit, we're having a Mexican standoff about flight cancellation vs insurance company.

Eldest_oab has today had Paris - Vancouver cancelled for 5th June, and a warning about flight home last day of August...

Oktoberfest (in September!) has been cancelled. And Germany has not had it anywhere near as bad as Spain/Italy/France/UK.
Reports from Spain at the weekend say the government there were considering banning tourism this year.
Rumours yesterday that we would have another 3 weeks lock down after this latest one ends, that'll take us to the end of May, though some restrictions may be lifted in 2 weeks, albeit I cannot see the UK allowing much travelling until at least the end of July, then it'll be limited.
If the virus is on a downward curve, then it'll be another 6 weeks before it is at a low enough level to allow us out without adequate precautions, no mass gatherings etc.
I can pretty much everything being cancelled until at least October.

The travel industry will certainly be hoping to travel by late summer, otherwise many will be out of business.

Demand is likely to be significantly reduced so numbers will be nowhere near normal whatever happens in the coming months.

But on that basis, maybe it's the ideal time to begin easing back into normality?

Absolutely no chance. Germany have gone further than anyone with setting the path to "normality" and they've said no large public gatherings till 31st August. And they're miles ahead of everyone with testing/death rates

I wouldn't put any money on it, seems unlikely.

Spending the money on the garden instead, staycation this year.

I can't see it.
Travel companies, airlines, travel journalists are making positive noises but that is
self-serving on their part.

Unlikely, I reckon. I'm still not convinced we'll be allowed back into Wales before the end of the summer (and if we are it'll be just as the weather turns)

Just wondering about the current concensus of opinion about whether there’s likely to be Euro holiday travel using personal transport this summer season.

Between which countries? I don’t think Central, Northern and Eastern European countries will want UK travellers so soon, if they can get tourism opened up they’d be wise to restrict it to their safer neighbours. And we’ll probably be advised to stay away from Southern European countries, unless things change there faster then anyone sensible is really expecting.

Personally I’ve got a Family hols booked in France on the 24th of July for a week, I’m thinking about 75% likely.

Really? We're booked for same week in Holland, I'll be astounded if it goes ahead, I've pretty much wrote it off.

For all our sakes, I hope I'm wrong, of course.

It's a no from me. Don't think winter holidays will happen either.

Wow, the general concensus certainly doesn't bolster my hopes...such is life.
Wasn't planning a booked trip, more just jumping on a ferry and camping. An enforced staycation would give the opportunity to explore these fair isles which would be long overdue.
Thanks for the insight, people!

You've got two hopes.

Here's one of them...

I have accommodation booked and a eurotunnel paid for, for late August to go to Switzerland, i hope It happens but not convinced it will.

I suppose I should start a "What new bike to blow the holiday money on" thread.

We would have to pay the balance of our family Menorca trip in August.   I doubt it'll happen.  We have until 25th of June to pay the balance, of which we've paid £250 deposit.   If there is no trip I'll not pay any more and will lose the £250, rather pay up then gamble the £1000's difference with the insurance - we have annual pre-COVID insurance,

Seen this? https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-hope-for-holidaymakers-as-eu-urges-smart-solutions-for-tourists-11976383

I'm not going even if Menorca is open if it means spending 2 weeks like that.

Booked to go to Bike Republic Solden beginning of August, they have announced today that the lockdown finishes this Thursday but they have no idea when the trails may open. All mass events in Austria cancelled until September.
Still think this trip is 50/50, all accommodation is refundable if cancelled before 20th June.

My trip late August to Skye & Islay more likely to go ahead.

We have the Tunnel booked for the end of June for Lake Garda and the Alps and then late September for Sospel and Finale. Not holding much hope out for any of them. With a bit of luck the Tunnel and camp sites will let us move on for next year and will spend some time in the UK riding this year.

Has anyone factored in two weeks self-quarentine when they arrive at their holiday location and another two week when they return home?

If you want a week...then book 5....2 for the required isolation and then take your week...then 2 more for isolation on return 🙂

Tunnel will only let you move to 12months from when you booked the crossing (unless its Flexi-plus).

I had this for the Dutch trip I should be on now, could only move it to October.

Has anyone factored in two weeks self-quarentine when they arrive at their holiday location and another two week when they return home?

No but I know this is mandatory in Cyprus, as we've had cancelled a lads week out there (to see a friend into retirement) and the organiser received comms from the Cypriot government to this effect.

Which other places is this true for?

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Thanks, I know what the Tunnel booking stipulation is if I have to change it. I am going to leave it till as near as possible to the travel date and see if they have and more flexibility then.

I’m not even sure a trip to Skeggy will be allowed before the end of summer.

There's the silver lining on the cloud at any rate.

The last of the kids summer trips was called off today. I'm not expecting any going away type holiday for us, even in the UK. Restrictions start to get lifted maybe June?, theres probably going to be done level of second wave, I'm not sure the government will allow travel at that point and I'm not sure whether UK tourist destinations will want an influx of outsiders bringing their virus along with their money.

How do you allow "holidays" when social distancing might be needed till the vaccine arrives? Pubs, restaurants, beaches, trail centre car parks, how do they control numbers of visitors safely?

We are booked for a long weekend in Rome at the end of May

No chance of that happening, and TBH I wouldn't want to go either.

We have a week in Lanzarote, 2nd week in July, given what you lot have said, that's looking ropey at best.

and Mrs V and myself have a 30th anniversary cruise around the Adriatic in early September, starting in Venice

Even that's sounding unlikely.

Well, never mind, UK touring on my Triumph Street Scrambler it is then 🙂

We will be in lockdown until end May, they will put schools back ASAP after that but will be essentially locked border and no specific int travel for a bit after that. Domestic holidays could be a go August onwards.

2020 to be the year of remembering the beauty of your local area, rather than searching it out elsewhere.

Yeah, we got 2 UK holidays booked and was planning a Mediterranean holiday. Cant see either happening and even if they do go ahead it certainly wont be a pop to the pub for some grub on a whim type holiday.

So Emirates have today said they wont be restating scheduled flights until atleast July, I think they will be one of the first airlines to restart so ATM I'd say its getting less likely than more at the moment.

Wondering when flights/tunnel/ferries will start up. Supposed to be going to UK at some point to sort out late dad's house and stuff, not much of a holiday but I can't put it off forever.
Hoping to get a few weeks' camping in late summer, Pyrenees or Coast - as mentioned above Spain is knackered if they don't get at least domestic tourism going.

I have written off this year for foreign travel (I could be wrong mind you!). We have booked a week camping in September in Cornwall and I have taken advantage of the cheap Easyjet flights next Feb and villa bookings that need full payment 6 weeks before travel (10% deposit). If we are still in trouble then I am happy to lose the reasonably small outlay.

If we are still in the same situation then......

We’ve booked an air bnb for Morzine for the last 2 weeks of August. Paid half of it to date but also have annual insurance policy from pre-covid.

I was thinking it was 50/50 but reading this thread has put a dampener on that!

Friend has a wedding in Ibiza in September, we’re not expecting that to happen.
Like those above, I’m expecting no foreign travel in 2020.

I assumed such nonsense results were excluded?

Only if the organiser selects them to be. If he doesn't use zp then it won't be

Our club is organising rides most nights. So tonight was laps of fan flats at Richmond. Lap hard lap easy. Hitting 50kph for a lap was vomit inducing. Proper over unders. Much better than doing them on your own in the garage

Realistically I think that travel within the UK will be restricted until a vaccine is found - travelling to China (Italy/Spain..) caused the problem in the first place and once travel opens up again, internationally or internally, I can see us on a second lockdown soon after!

Just to be clear. I replied to the zwift thread.....and it's put it in here. Where's dracs iPad when you need it. Forum works perfect they will have you know 🙂

Even if you do get to go (and I'd think that's unlikely until the autumn) will bars, restaurants, tourust attractions be open. I bet a lot won't reopen this year. We've been to Turkey a few times. Many of the restaurants employ people from other parts of the country, as well as many owners. Cant see many people bothering for a short season.

Maui from Canada in November... I'm very much doubting it now and have almost certainly missed the option to buy travel insurance assuming no issues with WestJet credit... But sweeping pilot layoffs could mean financial trouble ahead for the airline.

I have a conference/holiday booked for October in Colorado. I'm not hopeful - I can't see restitution of non-essential travel for a long time.

Spain villa booked end of July/August. I give it 10% chance of happening. Will feel lucky to get away in the UK, tbh. I think the opposite of the lockdown (lock up?) will be the opposite approach to the lockdown (wrap your head around that logic eh?)
I.e. no step change, but the gradual relinquishing of control, and monitoring how things are going as we relax.

Resigned to not going to my brother's wedding in Frankfurt in July. He doesn't think the wedding will take place anyway. And that's Germany. I'd be looking at next year optimistically for holiday travel...

As per my previous post, I don't think my travel is particularly essential - but the ferries seem to be running so if France lifts restrictions on may 10th and UK follows a couple of weeks later, what's stopping me driving up in say late June? Not that I want to.

Originally booked for our usual fortnight in Rhodes for September the 2nd. Balance was due end of June. Have cancelled it, rather lose the £120 deposit than the other £980.
The money I'd saved will just be put towards next September.

I usually book it November so see what the situation is by then.

I am supposed to be taking 36 pupils and staff to Krakow the first week in September, can't see it happening.

We booked the family holiday to the canary islands at Christmas. Supposed to go at tbe end if July. I'm gently breaking the news to the kids...

Even if you do get to go (and I’d think that’s unlikely until the autumn) will bars, restaurants, tourust attractions be open. I bet a lot won’t reopen this year

I’m not sure most people would like a socially distance based holiday tbh.

I think it would be more a change of home,so I could see a stay at someone else's home type of holiday being the new norm 🙂

And perhaps eating delivered restaurant meals instead of going out.

Probably the end of cheap holidays thou.

Our trip to Burgundy couldn't be more social distancing if it tried, we only see the bread shop staff and the pizza place staff. Although we do visit the local pool too..
But i'm still not expecting it to happen i admit.

Morzine even less likely i'd think.

It depends on how strict the UK lockdown is as to whether taking a UK holiday makes any sense at all. No point going 'away' for us if all the places to go out to are still closed.

I’m not even going to try and speculate.

We have a holiday booked early July. Prob won’t know until 2 weeks before

Our June holiday in Dorset was postponed/cancelled by the operator a couple of weeks ago.
Have a 4 day break in Lisbon booked with the in-laws for end of September which I am not expecting to happen.
Plan for a trip out to Liguria in Nov is probably the most likely of all of them but I’m not banking on it.
We’ve SD loads of bookings for campsites cancelled too & the motorhome hasn’t moved from its storage site since January. Can’t even get to it at the moment as the site is shut and it’s hardly an essential journey so I’m expecting to have to replace the batteries before we can use it again. Glad it had a deep clean after our Jan holiday though!

There are a few reports that the Canary Islands will be re-opening in August for domestic tourism, but only accepting foreign tourists from October. We've got flights booked for end of September so we may have to change our plans, especially if as mentioned there are quarantine restrictions on our return....

I'm amazed that people are even thinking about it. Our flights to Spain and Armenia are not happening, I don't expect to be seriously considering going abroad till next year and that's with lots of ifs.

We were heading out to USA for a family holiday in summer holidays, few weeks to see some of the National Parks- airline is only offering credit, but stops flying to the UK from end August (Air NZ) so won't be much good to us. Hopeful as it gets closer then there'll be some acceptable compromise, quite a bit of money spent here.

There's also nearly 2k gone on school trips this term for the kids, which won't be taking place now- we've had an email saying the school has started trying to claim with insurance, but I'm not holding out too much hope- I'm wondering how schools insure these trips, wondering whether they use a specialist insurer that mightn't be able to cope financially with the situation.

I'm amazed people are so pessimistic but for the sake of my own health I am trying to sticking my head in the sand a bit on this whole thing. Hols booked in August and I'm remaining hopeful. 🙂

I’m amazed people are so pessimistic realistic but for the sake of my own health I am trying to sticking my head in the sand a bit on this whole thing. Hols booked in August and I’m remaining hopeful. 🙂

There's a global pandemic going on, that of which we have no sight of a vaccine for in the short term, and all non essential travel is off the table. I can see why you think you'll get your holiday.

I’m wondering how schools insure these trips, wondering whether they use a specialist insurer that mightn’t be able to cope financially with the situation.

Can you not claim on your own insurance? genuine question, I've honestly no idea on this question. I very nearly canned my annual policy earlier this year as well, really glad I didn't now. I don't think I'll ever not have annual family holiday insurance again.

Not going anywhere I can't walk to until a vaccine is available.

We're booked in with White Room from the 11th July, I think there's naff all chance we'll be going but the Mrs is 'trying' to remain optimistic!

Oh, we're also supposed to be going to Budapest for a long weekend at the start of June with friends. We've already written that off, though hoping we might be able to move to next year. Non refundable hotel and Ryanair flights both booked by a mate. We have no insurance for it, doh!

Morzine booked for early July, with whats happened some of our group would now be happier it was cancelled and could have some money back!

I cant see travel re opening until a vaccine is found.

Last night I received an email from the hotel I had booked in Majorca for early June, telling me they definitely won't be open then. I had already decided I wouldn't be going, but at least I am now of the hook for the hotel costs.