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Chances of being involved in a terrorist incident is practically zero, don't know what all the fuss is about.

beyond the warped perspective portrayed by the majority of media) Muslims really aren't that dangerous:

What were the odds of a terrorist act committed in Europe last week being comitted by a Muslim ?

I guess that's what last weeks "warped" media were reporting on mainly.

The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Musiims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims'

Plus London, Madrid, Paris.

Muslims hate the values of the last three but still move there and breed in droves.

JHJ, isn't this because the government continues to cover up Islamic terrorist attacks to prevent panic and protect the airline industry, see MH370, TWA800, MH17 etc.

Another example: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/14/argentina-cristina-fernandez-de-kirchner-jewish-community-centre-bombing

Makes you think eh!

Certainly does...

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/21/government-agents-directly-involved-us-terror-plots-report?CMP=twt_fd&CMP=SOCxx2I2 ]Government Agents directly involved in most High Profile US Terror Plots[/url]

What were the odds of a terrorist act committed in Europe last week being comitted by a Muslim ?

Good Question:

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Shocking isn't it JHJ? the government is both covering up real terrorist attacks to prevent panic (eg. todays evacuation and closure of the channel tunnel) and at the same time instigating false flag terrorist attacks to keep everyone scared.

Sometimes it's hard to know if you're coming or going!

breed in droves

Chances of being involved in a terrorist incident is practically zero, don't know what all the fuss is about.

With you on that buddy; as likely to be killed by a bee, or the police.

Over 300 times more likely to die in a car crash...

In the USA you've got more chance of being shot by a toddler than a Muslim terrorist..
Murdering little bastards!...

JCL - selective extraction of information can 'prove' anything you want it to.

The vast majority of European and US terror attacks have not been committed by Muslims.

[url= http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/01/terrorists-muslim.html ]http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/01/terrorists-muslim.html[/url]

[url= http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html ]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html[/url]

JCL - Member

The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Musiims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims'

Plus London, Madrid, Paris.

Muslims hate the values of the last three but still move there and breed in droves.

Aye, whatever. More importantly, what do you reckon to the Specialized Stumpjumper Evo 26" as a trail bike?

As with everybody else you forgot to mention the atrocities committed in Africa by Boko Haram and their brothers in East Africa. Doesn't Africa count?

Be interesting to see how that 2% of religiously motivated terrorist attacks stacks up if you were to measure it by number of deaths and serious injuries caused, and also what they define as an attack. I'm fully behind the 'they're terrorists not Muslims' approach but can't help thinking they've lumped in a lot of small occurrences that you wouldn't associate with a coordinated attack.

globalti - Member

As with everybody else you forgot to mention the atrocities committed in Africa by Boko Haram and their brothers in East Africa. Doesn't Africa count?

He also chose not to mention the atrocities committed by American forces and their proxy, Israel over the last 70 or so years in the middle east.

The number of attacks is irrelevant, only the number of deaths. The reality is our intelligence services are catching a lot of this before it even occurs, so what we see are those few that slip the net. A friend of the families is a copper and he is involved in three or four Muslim extremist anti terror raids a week. There is a huge amount of work going on behind the scenes to prevent these things happening.

Soda dr, you conveniently forget to mention the constant barrage of attacks Israel every day. This is a complicated situation where no side is squeaky clean, but we can do without people trying to justify and appease these fundamentalists who are not doing this in retaliation for anything, they just want to kill.

Soda dr, you conveniently forget to mention the constant barrage of attacks Israel every day. This is a complicated situation where no side is squeaky clean, but we can do without people trying to justify and appease these fundamentalists who are not doing this in retaliation for anything, they just want to kill.

Just like the Israelis "just want to kill"...they have something like a 10 to 1 ratio at the moment, am I right?

The reality is our intelligence services are catching a lot of this before it even occurs

So they keep telling us but we only have their word for it. [i]The war on terror[/i] is a great way of controlling and monitoring the population. Living in a constant state of surveillance is Okay because it's for our own good, right?

There are sinister forces at work but I think the actions of a few religious zealots are the least of our (and our children's) worries...

Who's saying those planes were brought down by terrorists and the whole thing covered up?

racist much?

Thanks JHJ we really need another one of your threads

http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/

May be a bit too accurate with the stats for your tastes but good source of information

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04y53fk
Interview here @ 8 :45 f
Be warned these links are for those who like to form opinions from facts rather than pick stats to support opinions

I shall leave ninfan to troll you as there is no "debate" with you just you screaming your facts at folk and ignoring any refuting point and running away once pwned

PS 😉 😛 8)

etc

Its a war

Christians are bestest at it though, killed much more of them....
http://drones.pitchinteractive.com/

The last jaunt in Gaza our buddies the Israelis managed to kil over 1000 muslim civilians in just a month of bombing using weapons including those we sold em

[quote> http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/

May be a bit too accurate with the stats for your tastes but good source of information

Well I never:

START: A Center of Excellence of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security
University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742, USA 301.405.6600

Hang on though...

Government Agents directly involved in most High Profile US Terror Plots

Deary me, just who can we trust for 'facts'?

gofasterstripes - Member
Who's saying those planes were brought down by terrorists and the whole thing covered up

http://allnewspipeline.com/AIRASIA_MH370_MH_17_Kamikaze.php

I'm not saying they were, but there's questions that need answering!

Another 30 mins or so and it will be about warm enough to have melted the ice on the roads / trails. Bike time everybody.. its looking nice and Sunni outside hope you dont have a shiite ride

Well, to keep you warm till the ice has gone, you'll be relieved to find out that further research reveals it wasn't the muzzies, it was the joos

http://nodisinfo.com/israel/

Or maybe the North Koreans

http://www.eturbonews.com/44123/mh-370-north-korea-has-track-report-hijacking-passenger-planes

Come on JHJ, you must have some insider information on this one?

All in good time 😉

Maybe it was the North Koreans, on behalf of the CIA, so they could give the plane to the joos, who would use it to attack the yerepeans, as a Russian false flag, to blame it on the muzzies?

I reckon we're onto something here!

Government Agents directly involved in most High Profile US Terror Plots

Another misleading headline.

Intended to be suggest that the CIA are responsible for actual terrorist events happening.
Rather than working undercover to prevent them from Happening.

Was there any information in that report that showed the CIA to be responsible for any terrorist attacks that actually happened ?

A far more accurate headline would have been

[b]"CIA constantly working under cover to prevent terror attacks"[/b]

But obviously, everybody already knows that, so it not really news is it.

Come on JHJ, you must have some insider information on this one?

[s]All in good time [/s] No, nothing that wasn't made up anyway

"CIA constantly working under cover to prevent terror attacks"

But obviously, everybody already knows that, so it not really news is it.

Or "[b]CIA/FBI recruit terrorists, so they have someone to arrest[/b]"

as reflected in the content of the article...

So you think it's possible to "recruit" a person with no prior history or inclination to be a terrorist then ?

Evidently...

i can remember why the IRA thought they had a reason

but have no idea what this dispute is about, whats the beef?

Evidently...

You've chosen a word which suggests "evidence" rather than "opinion"

Do you have any of the former, rather than just lots of the latter, as usual.

For your perusal...

[url= http://www.hrw.org/reports/2014/07/21/illusion-justice-0 ]the report referenced in the article[/url]

Page 2 says that to Avoid criminal prosecution all the defendants needed to do was to show that the Government induced them to commit a crime, and they were not predisposed to commit it.

Nobody referenced managed to meet those criteria.

so pretty much exactly what I already suggested before I perused your evidence.

Page 2 eh... keep going 😉

I've already answered the question I asked.

Is it possible to recruit someone who has no previous, or predisposition to terrorism, and talk them into being a terrorist.

The evidence (you provided) suggest not.

Thanks.

I've already answered the question I asked.

With a selective soundbite that echos your opinion, for example, I could counter with:

In the case of the “Newburgh Four,” for example, a judge said the government “came up with the crime, provided the means, and removed all relevant obstacles,” and had, in the process, made a terrorist out of a man “whose buffoonery is positively Shakespearean in scope.”

or indeed expanding on your example:

In theory, the defendants in these cases should be able to avoid criminal liability by making a claim of “entrapment.” However, US law requires that to prove entrapment a defendant show both that the government induced him to commit the act in question and that he was not “predisposed” to commit it.
This predisposition inquiry focuses attention on the defendant’s background, opinions, beliefs, and reputation—in other words, not on the crime, but on the nature of the defendant. This character inquiry makes it exceptionally difficult for a defendant to succeed in raising
the entrapment defense, particularly in the terrorism context, where inflammatory stereotypes and highly charged characterizations of Islam and foreigners often prevail.
Indeed, no claim of entrapment has been successful in a US federal terrorism case to date. European human rights law—instructive for interpreting internationally recognized fair trial rights—suggests that the current formulation of the US defense of entrapment may not comport with fair trial standards.

But of course, the full report is there for anyone to see...

So none of them could prove they were persuaded to commit a crime they were not predisposed to commit.

The exact question I asked you.

The fact they couldn't prove it, that's called "evidence"

The other stuff is called "opinion"

People fail in a claim of entrapment all the time, Probably because the people doing the undercover work are getting it right and targeting the right people.

Has anyone ever been falsely prosecuted in a court of law?

So that's your evidence then is it ?

I think JHJ is right here

I mean, just the other day, I was sitting in the pub and this bloke came up to me and asked if I would like to buy some stinger surface to air missiles, no questioned asked.

Well, I could hardly refuse, could I? You never know when you might need a third generation MANPAD for self defence, and I happened to have a spare £20k in my wallet, so it was a sort of 'spur of the moment' impulse purchase.

He reckons that he might be able to get some RPGs for next weekend, I'd never really seen the need for one before, but sometimes you have to strike when the iron is hot, don't you? It might be useful for gardening or redecoration work at home.

So that's your evidence then is it ?

The fact they couldn't prove it, that's called "evidence"

Evidently...

You aren't making any sense (as usual)

You have no evidence to back up your claims

The links you have supplied to back up your claims have proved you wrong (again)

I'm not surprised, as you have shown a predisposition for failing to read your own links well enough to realise they contradict your fantasy.

Evidently...

wobbliscott - Member

The number of attacks is irrelevant, only the number of deaths.

wobbliscott - Member

Soda dr, you conveniently forget to mention the constant barrage of attacks Israel every day.

So is the amount of attacks irrelevant, or is it not? Go and have an argument with yourself and come back when you know what you think.

Evidently...

Once again fails to show that you can turn a law abiding citizen with no notions of terrorism into a terrorist.

Your failure is stronger than normal today.

Well done.

"Do I look like a terrorist?" that was always the most annoying question I got when I worked in Airport Security. I would always reply with "Can you please tell me what a terrorist looks like?"

I think on the number of deaths its 97% of those killed by terrorist acts are Muslim.
The other interesting number is 4%.That's the percentage of Guantanamo inmates ever convicted of a terrorist offence. Interestingly one convicted of war crimes has served his sentence and been released but a number cleared of any terrorism are still detained.
I noticed the high number of terrorist offences by Israeli citizens in the report that does not even include the actions of IDF or Mossad.

I'll just leave this here: [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bombings_during_the_Northern_Ireland_Troubles_and_peace_process ]List of bombings during the Northern Ireland Troubles and peace process[/url]

Quote from the introduction:

This is a list of notable bombings related to the Northern Ireland "Troubles" and their aftermath. It includes bombings that took place in Northern Ireland, the Republic of Ireland and Great Britain since 1969. [b]There were at least [u]10,000 bomb attacks[/u] during the conflict (1969–1998).[/b]

I'll just leave this here

Please keep your belongings with you, any items left unattended will be removed and blown up in a field round the back.

Something's weird here, I agree with a jhj post....

Back to the real world of JCLs trolling, I've seen that list before, on the Britain First fb page, along with other vile hate messages, good to know where you stand.

Aye, whatever. More importantly, what do you reckon to the Specialized Stumpjumper Evo 26" as a trail bike?

I had one. Headangle too steep, rear centre too short. Not a patch on the 29".

The list is FACT. Is anyone surprised when their beliefs are based on a war doctrine?

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

"And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."

"As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

So muslim apologists. How should so called moderate muslims interpret the above quotes from the Koran? "yes but they don't take it literally" Oh **** off and grow up. All religion is insane and Islam is at the the bottom of the barrel.

The comment regarding breeding is FACT (in Canada at least). Might be something to do with having subservient women with no lives apart from child rearing?

So muslim apologists. How should so called moderate muslims interpret the above quotes from the Koran

I guess the same way Christians gloss over the anti gay, pro slavery bits of the bible?

JCL - Member

How should so called moderate muslims interpret the above quotes from the Koran?

In context, as opposed to intentionally out of context like you.

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Context- essentially a motivational speech immediately before the battle of Badr, given by god to[i] angels[/i] not to humans. No wider application and not a general comment on unbelievers. It is, like I often say, like claiming if you go on holiday and find some germans on the beach, Winston Churchill says you should fight them. Only in this case, also, you think you're an angel.

"When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

"And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."

I'm not really sure where you were going with this one tbh, so it's harder to debunk. It is, more or less "We (ie, god- it's the royal we, it's not muslims in general) send warning to Our enemies that they must repent, or else"- pretty standard old testament wrath of god stuff and a lot more moderate than sending a great flood. It's impossible to interpret as a commandment to muslims to go to war.

"As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Context (with a more accepted translation): Ironically, this passage is about Jesus and his followers. "Those who reject faith" is more commonly translated as "Those who disbelieved", as quoted in this enlarged text below-it is those who rejected Jesus. It is not a general attack on non-muslims

"When God said, “O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ.

And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers.

But as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full their rewards, and God does not like the wrongdoers."

I'm no scholar, or muslim for that matter- it takes seconds to look this stuff up, 9 times out of 10 all you have to do is look at the adjacent passages. And of course it's not surprising that people choose translations that suit their agenda best.

Is anyone surprised when their beliefs are based on a war doctrine?

As if you have ever even read it.

PS jesus was a warmongerer obviously

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Scary eh ?

Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.

15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Are you a christian apologist?

How should we interpret these?

You can do this with any religious text all you need to do is be selective and quote out of context.

All religions are the same be nice to each other, be a bit less nice to unbelievers / watch yourself with them as they are sinners , protect yourself in war.
Do you want Britain to be about Britain ?

Christian apologist? Hell no! It's all insanity that should have died out hundreds of years ago. Or at least when On the Origin of Species was published.

You see I've seen those quotes interpreted a number of different ways depending on the person reading them and their intentions. Wasn't the second one used in a speech post 9/11 by Bin Laden?

It's all pathetically embarrassing to me that humans (let alone entire nations of them) follow religious texts. To me there is no such thing as someone who's moderately delusional. The argument that such texts should be tolerated because they are "holy" and only extremists will use them for evil means is the same as the gun argument. Guns don't kill people, people kill people so they say. Possibly but I suspect an intelligent society would probably remove the guns from the equation.

The comment regarding breeding is FACT (in Canada at least). Might be something to do with having subservient women with no lives apart from child rearing?

I wonder how many people on here had stay-at-home mothers? My mother didn't have a paid job outside the home, but I certainly don't consider her a "subservient wom[a]n" - what makes you think all Muslim women are the same?

JCL - Member

You see I've seen those quotes interpreted a number of different ways depending on the person reading them and their intentions.

If anyone on here still had a functioning ironymeter, it just exploded.

what makes you think all Muslim women are the same?

It's a wild stab in the dark, but I'm going to say, prejudice.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people so they say.

I'm reliably informed, by a bbc 2 investigation, that it's rappers commiting these gun murders.

JCL I take it you don't actually know any Muslims and particularly any female Muslims.

How could he they are all locked up at home under the yoke of their sexist masters and unable to speak to anyone without permission

I'm reliably informed, by a bbc 2 investigation, that it's rappers commiting these gun murders.

#GLC

😀

this thread is so full of confused.