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Murderous thug gets shot either at his own hand or by a police marksman after week long manhunt and 6 hour standoff. Why bother with an inquest? What a waste of public money, when the oxygen thief has already tied up plenty of that.
Cops should have just pushed his body in the river and congratulated themselves on improving the gene pool of the country.
You're a compassionate little troll, aren't you?
[i]You're a compassionate little troll, aren't you?[/i]
He's fu**ing dead right though.
I think I agree with the OP, though not with the inflammatory language. I realise that by law an inquest needs to be held, but surely we can have a 30 minute review then just close the file?
Moaty is a legend!
You don't actually give a **** about what pushed him to where he was? I hope there's no mental illness in your family that goes unaddressed.
the woman that reads the news on radio2 said that he was shot by the police after killing people in rothbury
bit inaccurate that is it not ?
is that how you spell rothbury?
Mistakes were made, maybe those mistakes can be learnt from and hopefully not repeated.
is that how you spell rothbury?
It's got a capital at the front if that helps 😉
Nice place Rothbury. Road rides go through there, couple of good cafes and you can head out to Elsdon via (the col de) Bilsmore then more cake before tackling the epic Winter's Gibbet.
Of course on a training run I don't stop for cake.
don simon - MemberYou don't actually give a **** about what pushed him to where he was? I hope there's no mental illness in your family that goes unaddressed.
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Nice place Rothbury.
I was born there; wish we'd never moved away
I care. I want to find out if he was executed or not. Pretty important thing to find out.
Nutter, possibly with mental health problems amplified by roid abuse - sad end to a life but no sympathy from me
GlitterGary - MemberMoaty is a legend!
Talking of mental illness, trolling posts on sensitive subjects always seem to dig out those poor abused souls...
Surrounded By Zulus - Member
I care. I want to find out if he was executed or not. Pretty important thing to find out
I agree, but without the use of such emotive language as "executed". I would like to see reassurance that the Police followed the correct procedure. There are reasons why the Briitsh Police are so damned good, and being open to such inquests is one of those reasons. Am sure the usual hand-wringers will now be along to cite all the usual problem cases, but I firmly believe that the procedure of having an inquest after any Police related fatality is vital.
There are several million people in the UK who live with mental illness, very very few go on to kill people by virtue of obsessive jealously, and there are many more people without a diagnosed mental illness who do commit murder.
I doubt very much that an inquest will do anything to serve the interests of those who suffer with mental illness in the UK.
At the end of the day he was just one more narcasistic (sp?) MF. A statistical outlier, I struggle to see what lessons can be learned that will have more general application.
Even if you don't care about him, the three innocent people who were shot deserve to know what happened, and what was done about it, and what could have been done better.
how much will this inquest cost?
what will be the return on that investment of time and resources?
surely we can have a 30 minute review then just close the file?
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There are several million people in the UK who live with mental illness, [b]very very[/b] few go on to kill people by virtue of obsessive jealously, and there are many more people without a diagnosed mental illness who do commit murder.I doubt very much that an inquest will do anything to serve the interests of those who suffer with mental illness in the UK
agreed.
Alright, I'm in a foul mood for reasons unknown and was just venting my spleen whilst avoiding contact with real people, and yes some of the words were badly chosen for which I apologise.
I still think this is one very good example of a shocking waste of money on finding 'truths' that will make zip difference in future. Same goes for most of the public enquiries that are called after bad decisions, (that continue to be made) when the country is cutting budgets. Oh can't even be bothered to properly finish my argument now. Feel free to call me whatever names you wish.
Think you'll probably find Moat may have suffered from a Personality Disorder rather than a treatable mental illness. In any event I don't think he was actually shot by AFO's with anything other than a taser round. He actually shot himself in the head. Might be wrong though. Or I might not.
Bell-ends vs. those in possession of brains and capable of usng them.
The chat forum as ever.
[i]Nonsense - Member
Think you'll probably find Moat may have suffered from a Personality Disorder rather than a treatable mental illness. In any event I don't think he was actually shot by AFO's with anything other than a taser round. He actually shot himself in the head. Might be wrong though. Or I might not.[/i]
I think you may find that (Borderline) Personality Disorder is a medically recognized mental illness 😆
Bell-ends vs. those in possession of brains and capable of usng them.The chat forum as ever.
what if you fall into both categories?
Alright, I'm in a foul mood for reasons unknown and was just venting my spleen whilst avoiding contact with real people, and yes some of the words were badly chosen for which I apologise.
No problem. 😉
I still think this is one very good example of a shocking waste of money on finding 'truths' that will make zip difference in future
If it means that procedures are adhered to and maybe just one more mentally ill person gets the help they need or kept off the steerts or a Jean Charles de Menezes is prevented, then I guess the money isn't wasted.
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All I know is that he cocked up a nice Night ride at Thrunton for me. That's enough to shoot the bugger. A colleague at work used to work doors with him and he reckons he was a timebomb for years.
Speaking of Rothbury though road ride up Cragside hills onto a697 crossroads then up Egligham scar onto Alnwick moor. Thats a fair bit of climbing for you.
don simon - Member
You don't actually give a **** about what pushed him to where he was? I hope there's no mental illness in your family that goes unaddressed.
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Is the inquest into what made him do it or the police response and outcome? (serious question)
I think in the case of Jean Charles de Menezes there were questions that needed answering, in this case not so.
Guilty as charged.Bell-end
Yes. Then if there are still questions, go for the full jury inquest or inquiry....have a 30 minute review then just close the file
Think you'll probably find Moat may have suffered from a Personality Disorder rather than a treatable mental illness. In any event I don't think he was actually shot by AFO's with anything other than a taser round. He actually shot himself in the head. Might be wrong though. Or I might not
Perhaps an Inquest would be a good idea?
GJP - Member
Nonsense - Member
Think you'll probably find Moat may have suffered from a Personality Disorder rather than a treatable mental illness. In any event I don't think he was actually shot by AFO's with anything other than a taser round. He actually shot himself in the head. Might be wrong though. Or I might not.I think you may find that (Borderline) Personality Disorder is a medically recognized mental illness
Now at risk of taking this splendid thread off topic, but you started it, or maybe I did? 😉
I take it you are diagnosing him with a specific borderline personality disorder?r As opposed to the huge mess of other disorders all lumped generally under the umbrella "mental illness". From memory of other threads you're a GP? Under the latest revisions of the mental health act I believe that NHS trusts are obliged to deal with untreatable personality disorders but it doesnt actually follow that they are recognised in the same way as other more easily treatable mental illness such as schizophrenia. I think it probably comes down to semantics and and pedantics. I think someone on here is an approved social worker, maybe we should ask them seeing as how they get involved in sectioning people on a daily basis? Or you could read this.
[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2004/dec/15/mentalhealth ]Article[/url]
From what I've been told the inquest will concentrate mainly on the time he was contained by firearms officers onwards. Although details of phone calls he made in prison and evidence of suicidal tendencies have already been discussed and appeared in the news.
what the CPT and al said.
I wonder if that stupid bint who took her kids to the funeral is having another day out...
Nonsense - I am not a GP I am GJP 😆
When Junkyard and I agree, you know it's right. 🙂
I stand corrected 😉
But Moaty is a legend. I read it on facebook.
Tw*t.
Much effort will be expended and bugger all advanced.
The English legal system is one of cheques and balances. The lawyers get very large cheques which increase their obscene bank account balances
At least it is an inquest......at least he won't be out there doing it to your/my son or daughter in five years time after serving a so called life sentence.
I still think this is one very good example of a shocking waste of money on finding 'truths' that will make zip difference in future
If you recall, the spark for the recent riots in London was a demonstration outside a police station after someone was shot by the police in confusing circumstances. A significant cause of the underlying tension which precipitated the wider disorder was a [i]perception[/i] that police officers shoot people unjustly and without consequence. An important part of an inquest is to (relatively) openly discuss the circumstances of a person's death and identify if there is genuine cause for concern.
In other words, saving a bit of money by trying to not worry yourself too much about people you think are bad dying could cost you more in the long run.
The inquest should then be on the effectiveness of the firearm used. Not some toy taser guns. 🙄
Fenred. I pity those poor, abused souls who swear at others and think we've never been to the moon, but hey ho, that's life. 😉
Wasn't there somebody on this site that said we should get rid of "Human Rights" as they are expensive and we don't need them ?
As I try to recall the events, its seems the manner of his death in the end was rather fortuitous, as in his death alone in the end was about the best scenario possible. The media feeding frenzy about him (which he had access to) pushed him so far into a corner he could have very well come out all guns blazing, injuring and/or killing many more officers and bystanders. The results could have been a lot worse and because this time it kind of worked out, doesn't mean another time if handled in the same way it wouldn't be a complete cluster ****.
IMO there are some very big questions to be asked about the role of the media and the media briefings made by the police.
Sky actually played the sountrack to this last night on the news and you can clearly hear him screaming a fair bit which means he didnt have the shotgun under his chin or mouth. It must have been a slow death.
The Police do have to follow procedure with all fire arm incidents which ends in loss of life.
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here moaty, its Gazza....where ya.
Murderous thug gets shot either at his own hand or by a police marksman after week long manhunt and 6 hour standoff. Why bother with an inquest?
Your forgetting this is the forum where someone called him a 'legend', and others went on to defend Moat when I bought up his past history (abuse of a child).
Now, if he'd been overcharging for illegal drugs I imagine they'd be an outcry here. 😯
Agreed - is that utterly abysmal policewoman still in a job BTW?IMO there are some very big questions to be asked about the role of the media and the media briefings made by the police.
The media treated as they would have any reality show and apart from the quite surreal Gazza appearance (now there is someone who could benefit from increased mental health funding) it was tv in the worst possible taste, which could quite easily have cost more lives.
The cost of the inquest will no doubt be entirely disproportionate to the importance of the findings but that is the price of living in a civilised society.
Or if anyone did 37 in a 30 (heaven forbid!)
How about should he have been released from prison (I assume he was on license?). Should he have been under more careful scrutiny once he was, i.e. could violent behaviour toward his ex and her partner have been forseen (even if not to this extent)? What controls failed that allowed someone with his background access to firearms - could they be better whilst still practical going forward? Should the police response have found him quicker - what can they do better next time? Was the tasar a contibutory factor? Could it have been ended without it? Is tasar a safe and effective way to end such a stand off (not saying it wasn't or that just shooting him would have necessarily been better / worse - but how do we find out these answers without an inquest?) Was the media a contributing factor? If at the end of the day the answer to everything is "yes the police did a good job in difficult circumstances" then I think that the inquiry is still worthwhile not only because its be having an inquiry/inquest that you keep those in "power" (politically and legally) on their toes - but also because for the officers involved in making decisions which may have ended a man's life it tells them they made the right decision.At the end of the day he was just one more narcasistic (sp?) MF. A statistical outlier, I struggle to see what lessons can be learned that will have more general application.
There are inquests into deaths all the time, its just that usually they don't make headline news as the deceased is just another statistic.
Your forgetting this is the forum where someone called him a 'legend', and others went on to defend Moat when I bought up his past history (abuse of a child).
BS that is not what happened some tried to explain/understand his behaviour no one described him as a hero or defended the abuse of a child - there was some debate over whether assault was abuse or not. Some suggested you used emotive language inappropriately - as you appear to have done again.
Perhaps the Daily mail forum is best suited to yor view and attention to facts?
Hes dead now. However there will always be others sadly like this. When someone says no they react with violence. The two who helped tool him up though. FFS.