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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-33685103
What a surprise 🙄
They really are a rum lot down under.
It's got sod all to do with the colour of his skin, it's because he's a w@nker.
What's he done?
aphex_2k - MemberIt's got sod all to do with the colour of his skin,
Yep, that's definitely not why he's been called an ape and told to get back to the zoo. Definitely. And when people boo him for complaining about racism, that's nothing to do with the colour of his skin either
dumb, drunk, racist.
Ozzi words, not mine.
I lived in Australia for a while a few years ago and have followed AFL since. Yes, Goodes does seem a little arrogant and abrasive, but no more than a lot of other AFL players. It seems to me that any time an indigenous Australian opens their mouth about race issues, the media rip them to bits.
There is still the expectation in Australia that indigenous people integrate completely into "white" culture, when they don't, it tends to create this kind of upset.
In my experience, there is a lot of racism in Australia. I worked in a couple of pubs in Melbourne and some of the locals would get up and leave or otherwise kick off if I served an indigenous Australian.
Whatever you think of Goodes, there can be no justification for such racism in a country still massively discriminating against its indigenous population.
aphex_2k gets some kind of special prize for not reading the story.
a rival fan was removed for allegedly telling him to "get back to the zoo".
The unidentified man said his ejection was an "overreaction", and described the current uproar as "political correctness gone mad".
aphex_2k - Member
It's got sod all to do with the colour of his skin
Reading [url= https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/29064209/eagles-fan-i-m-not-a-racist/ ]the story linked onward[/url], the fan sounds like a classic racist ****er who's been given a platform to repeatedly attempt excusing himself.
"I'm not a racist, it's just banter" *eyeroll*
Oh I dunno. I read my comment on a meme, I thought it was true.
When do I get my prize?
I accept, only if nach admits he got his stroppy knickers on about a comment about a complete stranger, about a stranger, on an internet forum. Deal?
Funny old country. The people who don't like the indigenous population also aren't too keen on immigration.
Yes, Goodes does seem a little arrogant and abrasive, but no more than a lot of other AFL players
Dermott Brereton spring to mind 😆
Funny old country
Nothing we don't already know.... they bleat on how blooming good their country is, yet mostly only live on it's edge.... 😆
oh and they are 18-2
Doesn't surprise me, if you walk into a bar full of white people in South East Asia - the loudest most obnoxious idiot in the room is always an Aussie.
Classic burying bad news (the cricket) tactics.
As my old boss used to bleat on " it's advance Australia fair, not black ,not brown, not yellow."
I love Australia and Australians but the aborigines seem as fair game as gypsies in the uk.
ive not dared to see how the toss went, nevermind the collapse b4 lunch
*hides*
edit: half right
might be worth the office fight to see if i can get TMS on this arvo.
The bloke might well be a w@nker, and that may be why people don't like him, but abusing him according to his race or skin colour is common-garden racism.
From what I've read he reacts aggressively to racist abuse and people don't like it. Good on him I say.
a fair number of AFL players have been caught doing drugs, being fairly rapey, and having it away with children.
brushed under the carpet.
might be worth the office fight to see if i can get TMS on this arvo.
To watch England bat 🙂
It's just banter aphex_2k, like when someone hurls an incredibly personal racist comment, with centuries of historic discrimination behind it, from the stands at a football match.
I agree.
I think one of my main memories of my time in australia is the racism, it is completely entrenched in people from birth. A good friend who I didn't think had an iota of racism came out with the line "who let the wildlife in" when he saw some aboriginals sitting having a picnic in the park, and a couple of times a week we were warned not to go to places as 'the natives run wild there' etc, which turned out to be completely untrue each time, and the line "I'm not racist, but..." was a regular occurrence.
I do think we are heading that way here though, it seems to be completely acceptable to be negative about eastern europeans in normal conversation, or drag an asian guy off a train because he has headphone wires dangling out his backpack.
I'm quite sure that no matter how much you'd find someone unlikeable or abrasive, using a racist insult to show your displeasure makes you a racist.
Wasn't that long ago football fans were doing monkey calls and throwing bananas at players here. Mind you there was far less effort put into defending it.
Still popular in many european countries such as spain and the eastern euros.
Doesn't surprise me, if you walk into a bar full of white people in South East Asia - the loudest most obnoxious idiot in the room is always an Aussie.
Well after 4 days in Singapore that wasn't the case. It was the obnoxious southern pricks in their pink shirts treating the staff like shit. In Abu Dhabi on the way back it was the cockney expats who were the worst.
Where do Southern pricks come from?
south coast, south of the river & southern hemisphere
Home counties pig face the finest examples of arsehole I have seen in a while.
Wasn't that long ago football fans were doing monkey calls and throwing bananas at players here. Mind you there was far less effort put into defending it.
Good point. There are racists everywhere. Sadly although through the media attention such acts are amplified/publicized there doesn't seem to be equally corresponding action from the sporting authorities.
Well after 4 days in Singapore that wasn't the case. It was the obnoxious southern pricks in their pink shirts treating the staff like shit. In Abu Dhabi on the way back it was the cockney expats who were the worst.
Says the wannabe aussie!!!! Hardly neutral!!!
Nothing wannabe just live there and saying what I saw. Felt embarrassed to be British.
What do we expect, we sent a load criminals down there and when Oz is still not full a good portion of racist English people go there as £10 poms. It's in the culture because it's partly our culture.
The irony of complaining about racism while simultaneously deriding an entire populace.
I must admit, I'm with bigjim on this. I lived in Oz for a couple of years and a large proportion of the folk I came across were overtly racist, especially to aborigine folk.
Over here though, I do reckon we're just as racist. Loads of bad feeling about "immigrants" of all types, institutional racism in our language (what do you call your cornershop or your Chinese takeaway).
My favourite bit of Oz racism ... We first moved over there just after the Cronulla riots and there was a big debate going on about the rights of Muslim people to follow their own traditions. A politician supporting Muslim rights said "ah, just let them do what they want ... In 5 years they'll all be eating snags from the barbie and slugging back tinnies".
Seriously???
The irony of complaining about racism while simultaneously deriding an entire populace.
It isn't really. Racist views are not genetically acquired but they are very much cultural.
It is perfectly feasible to claim that Australian society is relatively racist and that racism is widespread. As it is to claim that this creates a contempt for other people and other cultures.
I'm not claiming this description is true but I don't see any evidence of irony.
Herr Zokes has emerged from under his rock 😆
lived in Oz for a couple of years and a large proportion of the folk I came across were overtly racist, especially to aborigine folk.
I've met a fair few ozzies in Whistler and the majority seem fine, but then the subject of aboriginals doesn't come up much in conversation. I've also met a few Canadians here who seem to have the same attitude described above about the First Nations. I don't really get it.
I'm not racist. Some of my good friends are various shades of brown. What really pisses me off is when they get all uppity about racism - can't stand people being mouthy about it. They should complain in a culturally sympathetic manner for crissakes. They're just getting professionally offended on behalf of all the other members of their race. It's about time the more moderate members of the indigenous community came out and distanced themselves from this fellow.
I went to a first nations festival in Kelowna. Broad spectrum there (mostly white) and the atmosphere was lovely. I had a great day!
deadlydarcy - Member
I'm not racist. Some of my good friends are various shades of brown. What really pisses me off is when they get all uppity about racism - can't stand people being mouthy about it. They should complain in a culturally sympathetic manner for crissakes. They're just getting professionally offended on behalf of all the other members of their race. It's about time the more moderate members of the indigenous community came out and distanced themselves from this fellow.
A bit like how cyclists should ask nicely to not get run over?
"We're sorry about the internment camps and the widespread racism, institutional discrimination, etc., but really you should [i]ask nicely[/i] because we don't like your tone when you complain about this stuff".
FFS.
Nach, the last sentence would imply that DD was making a wry joke.
I hope that's the case. I've seen too many jerkoffs use the tone argument sincerely though, sometimes directly to friends of mine who are affected by racism or other forms of discrimination.
[url= http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/australia-is-most-comfortably-racist-says-daily-show-presenter-20130416-2hxg5.html ]John Oliver - "Australia is one of the most comfortably racist places I've been in"[/url]
Contains the clip from the Bugle podcast from a couple of years ago that caused a bit of a stir...
The overt racism in Australia was immediately obvious as soon as we got here (3 years ago).
Most challenging is the use of the word "wog" which gets dropped pretty-regularly. Including once by an HR manager during an interview!
The dialogue around racism in Australia is just incredibly simplistic and naieve - people honestly do not understand why referring to somebody as a wog/"a bit woggy" is racist. They just see it as shorthand for non-caucasian - and they (being caucasian themselves) don't find it offensive, so whats the problem?
Aboriginal people only got the vote in the sixties - before that they were officially classed flora-and-fauna. It takes a few generations to move past that.
How about this:
"Some people in Australia are racist"
You could make it simpler by omitting Australia from that sentence, as it's clearly far from an exclusively antipodean trait.
Oh wait, that would have left pigface with nothing to say, which would probably have made for a better thread.
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Claiming you're only booing the black man because he doesn't direct the negative energy created by you calling him an ape into improving his game.
That comes under "being a dick" even if you don't think you're actually a racist. Just stop it already...
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if you walk into a bar full of white people in South East Asia - the loudest most obnoxious idiot in the room is always an Aussie.
I don't know if this is [i]statistically[/i] true or not. In a similarly anecdotal vein, a high percentage of the sweetest, most positive and enthusiastic people turn out to be Aussies as well. Or possibly New Zealanders. Same difference. 😉
Lol also try walking into a bar in ibiza magaloof or benidorm and see what it's like.
It is a very racist country
The attitudes seem very backwards to me. It's like going back a good few generations to colonial times over here.
One young woman, a friend of a friend, had absolutely no qualms in telling me she hates blacks. I said to her how can you hate someone that you don't know or haven't met? to which she replied 'I don't want to meet them, they're black'. Unbelievable
Not the entire country and sweeping generalisation don't help. Most of the people I have met are tolerant and appreciate the massive multi cultural society we live in here. Again the backlash throughput community groups and leaders is showing a bigger appetite to change with individuals standing up when they see racism.
Seems your in the minority Zokes but you are a plastic Australian, keep listening to Cold Chiesel and one day you too could be a Bogan 😆
In Oz wog refers to Greek / Cypriot iirc
lol at zokes and mikewsmith trying to pretend Australia doesn't have a problem with racism. Perhaps the reason you don't see it as an issue is because you share some of those views?
Mostly positive comments on here. One from a total bogan.
http://www.rotorburn.com/forums/showthread.php?294683-Adam-Goodes-sook-or-wronged-man
Seems like those in zippykona's link are just concerned about the poor sportsmanship of booing (I didn't read beyond the first twenty or so comments) which to be fair, is far more important than some uppity professionally offended AFL player complaining about racism in a way which is hard for white folk to handle.
Are we reading the same thread zippykona?
Love people claiming all Aussies are racist. That's beautiful.
Can you point out where anyone has actually said that?
Are we reading the same thread zippykona?
I was focusing mainly on the video. That guy seemed to sum it up nicely.
Yes grum.im pointing right now. Can you see? Might take a while to see as we are in a different time zone.
Your good self stated that others have a problem accepting Australia has a problem with racism which implies to me that this is your opinion too. Totally incorrect, Australia is a country and has no feelings, emotions and can't talk. Some Australians are racist. Some British people are racist. I'm sure we agree on that. I'm not really sure where you're heading but the popcorn is open.
Wonder if zokes will share his view of the welsh again?
Do you ever say anything remotely intelligent pigface, or is this about as good as you're able to give: lazy stereotyping an entire foreign country, presumably to make you feel better about your own miserable inadequacy?
And as for you, grim, you did once upon a time contribute intelligent discussion. It seems those days are gone.
I refer you both (and others) to my previous post: there are some racists in Australia. There are also some racists just about everywhere else, apparently including this thread.
what do you call your cornershop or your Chinese takeaway
I call the former "the shop" and the latter "the chinese takeaway". Why what do you call it?
Brits abroad are often the most disgusting creatures known to man. What is interesting is the change in the friendliness you get from people when you insist you are Scottish and not British or English. It's like night and day.
anagallis_arvensis - Member
Wonder if zokes will share his view of the welsh again?
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Aw bless, pigface's little friend has come out to defend him.
Bogans. Bogans everywhere.
"A ticket to Nimbin please, one way"
Saying that Australia has a problem with racism isn't the same as saying that all Australians are racist. You'd have to be pretty dim or being deliberately obtuse not to see that.
Read the Pilger article. He's Australian by the way.
there are some racists in Australia. There are also some racists just about everywhere else
Obviously this is true.
Some of the generalisations about Australians in this thread are stupid.
That doesn't preclude me making a statement along the lines of "Australia has a more racist society than that in the UK" and feeling pretty comfortable that it's an accurate one.
Similarly I could say that the UK is less racist now than it was 50 years ago. There were racists then, there are still racists now. The difference is that there are fewer (though I'm not suggesting it's a problem that's 'solved' as it clearly isn't) and that's progress.
Trying to claim that because there are racists pretty much everywhere means things haven't changed or everywhere has the same levels of racist issues is a pretty shallow argument.
Fewer racists and less tolerance for overtly racist behaviour is a good thing.
Zokes winning friends again!
you walk into a bar full of white people in South East Asia - the loudest most obnoxious idiot in the room is always an Aussie.
I don't know. In Singapore the pink-shirted, white-trousered gob-shites I encountered were almost 100% British. Even in ex-pat bars I cringed at their behaviour which was pretty amazing given how crappy a lot of expats behave. May well have been the bars I went to on the last trip as TBH, I didn't go into any bars where the patrons were mostly Singaporean to see if they were embarrassing too.
I would not brand Australia as more racist than here, what I would say is that people can be more overt about it there than they can here.
One of my closest friends is a closet racist, it's something that I absolutely abhor and if he ever says anything in front of me I shoot him down. The thing is that he doesn't just drop racial slurs into everyday conversation or make sweeping statements. Every so often he'll say something and through knowing him a long time you can hear the underlying subtext of what he's saying.
My opinion is that there is still plenty of racism out there and a lot of it is taught at home, we've just been through a cultural shift where there's less tolerance to it being spoken out loud
Racism, frankly, is not that uncommon anywhere I've found. Luxembourgers, after very little time knowing you, will, at times, sound like Alf Garnett. Germans too. French people likewise. Ditto the Spanish and Italians. The British as well. Danes, Swedes, Norwegians and Finns; undoubtedly. Belgians, uh-huh. Dutch, ya! And so on.
And that's just personal experience.
Not to say everyone from those countries is racist but enough are that I've encountered it either socially or, more surprisingly, in a work environment. The question just comes to how acceptable it is to behave that way as to how "common" you feel it is (in my experience etc etc).
I,m so racist I can't even eat Liquorice,still love my Ashley Williams tattoo though.
spawnofyorkshire - agree entirely.
'rookippers are simply bold and unapologetic in an Aussie fashion. Un-reconstructed/outspoken supremacists/Nationalists who sound like my parents and certain of their friends think in public and speak in private.
Probably a certain element of truth to what you say spawnofyorkshire but better to live in a society where racist is less acceptable no? Certainly more pleasant for those who bear the brunt of it.
Sadly I think in the UK racism has become more acceptable recently.
I was talking to my Hungarian neighbour the other day and within five minutes of the conversation starting he was whinging about gypsies. Thing is, Hungarians are all fairly racist. Not as racist as Aussies though.
I think the distinction that needs to be made here is between personal racism and structural/institutional racism.
Of course racist idiots are going to feel justified if their government's policies towards indigenous Australians and foreign immigrants are as negative and, well, racist as those of the Australian Government.
The stolen generation was only two generations ago and the Government continues to pursue aggressive policies against indigenous communities based on largely unsubstantiated child protection scaremongering, just as they did to justify the stolen generation in the first place.
Adam Goodes is a high profile indigenous Australian who is not afraid to remind people what has been done in their country, and what continues to be done in their name. A lot of people struggle to understand or empathise with indigenous Australians' experiences, so resort to good old fashioned racism.
@Fin25 +1 - nicely put
Sadly I think in the UK racism has become more acceptable recently.
Unfortunately I'm finding that too, and I have the gut-feeling that there's some nasty policies on the way from the government. No evidence to suggest it yet, it just feels like something will be coming in the near future
spawnofyorkshire - MemberNo evidence to suggest it yet
Apart from the other nasty policies that they've already brought in! Public racism's become less acceptable in the UK but apparently we'll still vote for racist immigration policies
Apart from the other nasty policies that they've already brought in! Public racism's become less acceptable in the UK but apparently we'll still vote for racist immigration policies
I should have said, i think something [u]REALLY[/u] racist is coming, not just the snidey ones we've had so far