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I don't want to go into the politics of the EDL we did that thread a few weeks ago. I do have one question, where does Tommy Robinson get his income? It said he used to run a plumbing business, he has been jailed but still seems well dressed etc, anyone know.
obviously, he is still a drug dealing neo nazi, reaping the rewards from others misery..... đ
Is he no longer into disco then?
obviously, he is still a drug dealing neo nazi,
Wild smash in the dark that ton or have you got proof?
Last documentary I saw him on he had a tanning-shop...All the tanning-shop owners near to me run about in flash motors so I would say that's where he gets his money, that and donations.
Not watched the it last-night, was it good?
Wild smash in the dark that ton or have you got proof?
there is no smiley to add that is 'tongue in cheek'. đ đ
đAll the [s]tanning-shop[/s] money laundering shop owners near to me run about in flash motors
He owns a successful and very lucrative chain of Islamic book shops
I thought he sold ray guns?
You mean he's no longer doing Time Team? đŻ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson_(activist)
" Lennon owns a sunbed shop in Luton."
Tommy Robinson aka Stephen Yaxley-Lennon
Well, he doesn't seem as thick as the vast majority of neanderthals who comprise the EDL membership, so I'd suspect he's managed to get by quite comfortably on party 'donations' for the last few years, and if he's got any sense, has spirited away some of those funds for a rainy day.
I take it he is now trying to recreate himself as some kind of media/celebrity persona. Looks like it might be working too.
He's probably made himself a right tidy little sum the way energy prices have gone up recently.
he doesn't seem as thick as the vast majority of neanderthals who comprise the EDL membership
My dog looks bright in that company tbh - though they would hate her for she is black and from Germany
she is black and from Germany
So were the SS...
If he's genuine and has had a change of heart then fair play to the guy. I saw the end of the programme but so far I'm not convinced.
He's probably made himself a right tidy little sum the way energy prices have gone up recently.
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No ton, proof please...
All the tanning-shop money laundering shop owners near to me run about in flash motors
The launderette-owners never seem to show themselves, a bit odd that. đ
patriotpro - how has tommy robinson's move effected the way that you personally view the EDL?
Will you be tearing down tommy's poster from your bedroom wall?
Or will you be following him and cancelling your EDL membership?
Tanning shops? Wait a minute - he's a racist who made his money from people who want to make their skin darker?
Tanning shops? Wait a minute - he's a racist who made his money from people who want to make their skin darker?
I know, coming over here with their natural tanned look, not prepared to put in the hard graft down the salon. Makes me sick etc etc....
I watched it. Very interesting bit of telly. Only time will tell.
Not seen the programme yunks so ill reserve judgement until then.
In the meantime i'll leave you n ton to your mellow-drama.
Any backing evidence that TR is a racist is also welcome...
patriotpro, have you read my input on this thread?
do you read things and take them in, in a totaly differant context to how they are written?
what does this... đ mean?
Any backing evidence that TR is a racist is also welcome...
It's confusing to ascertain exactly what Tommy Robinson is, given that he choses to hang out with Zionist extremists, white supremacist neo Nazis, anti Semites and more recently, even Muslims. What is clear, is that he is confused, angry, frustrated, violent and hateful young man who has chosen to direct his ire towards Islam and Muslims in general. Maybe he got bored with beating up women.
It will be interesting to see whether a violent thug can be rehabilitated into a positive member of society. Maybe he has seen the light, who knows. Maybe it's all just a cynical publicity stunt. We'll see.
Have any of the bookies priced this up?IMHO anything better than 13:8 on on cynical publicity stunt is a licence to print money.
Oh,as a side note,he's quite an interesting violent thug,in that he has got to his advanced age without being able to decide who he hates most,hence him hanging about with seemingly random other violent thugs.
Any backing evidence that TR is a racist is also welcome
That is the beauty of PC gone mad it means even the racists have to speak of cultures and other things to make sure their message is not racist. It must hurt to know you have lost to such an extent you cannot even say what you really mean - does it?
Hopefully he is having an epiphany, I am not convinced as yet, hopefully you will too
So where you shopping these days ?
The Muslasmic Ray Guns thing always made me laugh; then I found out he was trying to say Islamic Rape gangs - if someone more with it said that there are a few areas were they could really stir up trouble before anyone actually bothered to investigate... oh, they did...
I actually wonder if this is just the first steps in preparation for trying to get into politics proper. The EDL isn't a political party but if they had a party that represented their raison d'ĂȘtre then I'm sure it would do better than the BNP.
Of course we all know proper political parties espouse peace etc. even when they have close ties with thugs and murderers.
Any backing evidence that TR is a racist is also welcome
This is a very good point, Tommy Robinson left the BNP when he found out that black people weren't allowed to join.
Mind you, it took him a year of BNP membership before he discovered this shocking revelation, something which most people might have concluded after their first party meeting.
I saw the programme last night and I have to say that I was left fairly convinced that he was being genuine. And of course this sort of transformation from being a bigot to a liberal is hardly new and has occurred throughout history, an obvious recent example is Matthew Collins of Hope not Hate.
I did find him not wanting to see his old mate Mo Ansar a little strange.
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And I've also always been highly suspicious of Quilliam, which appears to me as some sort of dodgy Blairite front organisation.
So I'll wait and see how this plays out before being totally convinced of Robinson's Road To Damascus miraculous conversion.
ton - So the eye-rolling was sarcasm? If ive misread your comments then i sincerely apologise. đ
Junky - your twittering as usual...
PS - i heard Tommy buys his stone-island gear off of MO's bro's market stall but its not real so much cheaper - PS I have no proof of that so take with the pinch of salt all the other snippets of mellow-dramatic speculation on this here thread.
Perhaps he has gone to nPower đ
your twittering as usual..
Your evading as usual
Are your views so unpalatable you cannot publicly state them or are you ashamed of them?
The Muslasmic Ray Guns thing always made me laugh; then I found out he was trying to say Islamic Rape gangs - if someone more with it said that there are a few areas were they could really stir up trouble before anyone actually bothered to investigate... oh, they did...
Possibly also of note is original footage for the Youtube vid came from PressTV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_TV
Why is that 'of note'?
Why is that 'of note'?
I'm guessing because as Press TV is Iranian, it proves that the clip must have been tampered with in some way to make the EDL supporter look incredibly stupid.
Surely no one who supports the EDL can be that stupid ?
Yep, the whole thing was probably staged managed by the Iranian government. I bet the Iranian government even organised the EDL march. Just to discredit the EDL.
Having seen the "infamous" Robinson-Paxman interview, he doesn't seem particularly stupid, but just so pissed off that his mouth is moving ten times faster than his brain. It's maybe not surprising that he lost the incoherent Muslim-baiting once he calmed the flip down. Just weird that it took him so long to get there.
And as for Robinson...
Why is that 'of note'?
Because PressTV found the stupidest, drunkest, most incoherent idiot they could(not an easy task in the circumstances) in order to maximise the effect of the end product, that being propaganda.
I don't usually like propaganda, for obvious reasons. But this case does seem to be an exception.
Having witnessed a few EDL 'demonstrations', I'd say the bloke in that video is fairly representative of the average EDL member. Tommy Robinson may be a touch more intelligent than most of them (really not very difficult), but he's still an ignorant, uneducated, hateful violent thug. Perhaps he's now a bit less ignorant, hateful and violent. Who knows? Only time will tell.
can i just ask, does anyone on here think that it is possible to agree with some of the stuff edl and mr robinson stand for, but not be a mindless racist thug?
What particular aspects of their manifesto would you have in mind, Ton?
Black dog from Germany ?
You need a blonde blue eyed dog really
he doesn't seem particularly stupid
Well the group he led is not going to include, as a rule, the sharpest tools in the box but there will be plenty of tools!
My only experience was them descending en masse to Blackburn [ high Asian population. In order to protest about KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN using halal meat and complaining about how this ruined their English identity
Like I said not the sharpest tools in the box but definitely tools.
it was brilliant debating with them with coppers watching - he actually went to the coppers and asked that I be removed !!!! I explained to the copper how much fun it was to chat to these folks when they could not hit me and asked if he could just let me have a few more minutes fun...bless him he did
What particular aspects of their manifesto would you have in mind, Ton?
things like not wanting sharia law in britain?
Personally I am not very happy with Halal or Shechita meat.
I do not agree with unnecessary suffering to animals.
May be the only thing I agree with the EDL on.
does anyone on here think that it is possible to agree with some of the stuff edl and mr robinson stand for, but not be a mindless racist thug
yes but this is not the organisation to represent those views as it is made up of many racist mindless thugs.
No one is serious about imposing Sharia law on us beyond a few lone wolf nutters who probably number less than 0.00001 % of the UK muslim population never mind the general population. I dont think we need to quite get worried about this yet....certainly not whilst we are bombing the shit out of them and befriending "friendly" yet repressive sharia states like Saudi
I do not agree with unnecessary suffering to animals.
says the meat eater
I advise you to attend a slaughter house and see how humanitarian industrial slaughter is when done our way
Worrying about "their methods" is like worrying that the hangmans noose may chafe the skin IMHO
so the awnswer to my question is yes then?
things like not wanting sharia law in britain?
Is that a big worry?
if it were to happen, i reckon it could be a bit of a worry. in certain area's.
Are you worried about it happening?
so the awnswer to my question is yes then?
Yes it is.
Although not wanting Sharia law in the UK would also align you with 99% of British political organisations from the far left to the far right, most of whom wouldn't have that on any manifesto as it's as likely to happen as me becoming pope.
Are you worried about it happening?
no, not at all.
i am all for free speach and live and let live.
i dont get offended by the edl or the local muslim community.
a load of folk seem to on here tho....... đ
does anyone on here think that it is possible to agree with some of the stuff edl and mr robinson stand for, but not be a mindless racist thug?
Well Tommy Robinson reckons that he has come to the conclusion that no, you can't separate it from the mindless racist thuggery. Apparently that's why he's decided to leave the EDL. I HTH ton.
no, not at all.
Seems a bit weird to identify it as a policy worth endorsing, then.
says the meat eater
I advise you to attend a slaughter house and see how humanitarian industrial slaughter is when done our way
Have done. Used to work as a butcher many. many years ago.
Worrying about "their methods" is like worrying that the hangmans noose may chafe the skin IMHO
I do not think they are pleasant places but to not stun a animal first can only make things worse.
I also never used the expression "their methods" so why is it in quotation marks? That could sound like the words of a bigot, I see what you did there.
I dont get it. Why should we oppose Sharia law in the UK wgen we dont have Sharia law in the UK?
Why should we oppose Sharia law in the UK wgen we dont have Sharia law in the UK?
Yes we do
[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9975937/Inside-Britains-Sharia-courts.html ]Torygraph BBc Documentary Sharia Law Courts[/url]
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2009/jun/29/religion-islam-sharia-britain ]Grundian Sharia Law[/url]
The EDL thrive on fear, usually unfounded or illogical fear. I know plenty of people down here in Kent who left London because of the fear of black people taking over their neighbourhoods. There's a sizeable black community now who have moved down from London also. đ
It's understandable to be concerned when things change and some people fear the erosion of their way of life - there's nothing stronger than the pull of home is there? If home is recognisably different with languages and cultural influences that people feel excluded from then fear follows. That's what the EDL prey on. They take the most extreme elements of Muslim faith, suggest that they exist and thrive in our midst, tell people that no-one is challenging it and offer a visible and vocal opposition to a problem that is largely absent from our shores.
So yes, you could argue that there is a resonance in some of what they say. I suggest it's fuelled by nationalism and bigotry though. I see them as national socialists and anyone who supports them for whatever reason also supports that doctrine.
It would appear that their founder also thinks that, but we'll see how this pans out. Maybe he's just shit scared of getting his head kicked in.
Religious courts don't trump British law, and the decisions aren't legally binding unless both sides agree. Why no similar 'concern' over Beth Din?
Religious courts don't trump British law, and the decisions aren't legally binding unless both sides agree. Why no similar 'concern' over Beth Din?
Smaller population, less media coverage, been a while since the last terrorist attack.
This doesn't mean they should be viewed any differently. Just suggesting reasons as to why there is a focus on one and not the other.
"their methods" so why is it in quotation marks? That could sound like the words of a bigot, I see what you did there.
I was not trying to suggest you were a bigot with that comment nor for objecting to this method of slaughter- many non bigots do.
Apologies for offending you/suggestign this [ not sure I did tbh but it was unintentional and not my aim]
Junky - your window of opportunity for providing proof is now closed and by default you are twittering.
Consistent if nothing else.
To add a bit of focus, the catalyst (or straw that broke the camel's back more like) for the EDL forming was the 'Wooton-Bassett' incident. Remember that anyone?
To add a bit of focus, the catalyst (or straw that broke the camel's back more like) for the EDL forming was the 'Wooton-Bassett' incident. Remember that anyone?
Do remind us of the facts
I believe there was a minor protest by some extremists that was soundly criticised by British muslim groups.
Do remind us of the facts
You have access the world wide web - Do your own homework.
Back to the subject in question, there was a lot of positives to be had from that programme, one of which being that at least one muslim community leader acknowledges that the organised paedophile gangs is a problem in the muslim community. Another was that the koran could do with a bit of evolution in terms of some of it's scripture often being conveniently misconstrued by a percentage of muslims.
This is good, bit late mind, but good nontheless.
Will be interesting to see how TR's new venture develops...
Yes we do
Torygraph BBc Documentary Sharia Law Courts
The UK has shariah law only in the sense that it also has Jewish, New York or South African law. That is to say, if private individuals agree to settle disputes with reference to a specified body of law, that's up to them, no matter how silly. This is what arbitration is, all day every day. But as far as everyone else goes, and as far as non-consensual applications of the law to, there's no shariah law and no prospect of shariah law displacing civil and criminal law. Shariah law exists in the space that UK law allows it to occupy, and that's not a geographic one.
You have access the world wide web - Do your own homework.
I'm interested in your interpretation of the 'Wooton-Bassett' incident. I'm interested in your opinion. Your words. If this incident was the catalyst (or the straw that broke the Carmel's back more like) for the formation of the EDL then you must have an opinion. Surely.
the koran could do with a bit of evolution in terms of some of it's scripture often being conveniently misconstrued by a percentage of muslims.
That sounds like a problem with people deliberately misconstruing the base text rather than a problem with the base text itself.
Why do you think the Koran needs to evolve? Who should execute that evolution and how?
To add a bit of focus, the catalyst (or straw that broke the camel's back more like) for the EDL forming was the 'Wooton-Bassett' incident. Remember that anyone?
I thought that was a legitimate protest personally..
If I was an ex-pat living abroad, and the country I lived in was bombing the shit out of my homelands and welcoming the troops back as heroes, I'd probably feel compelled to make some sort of very strong symbolic protest too..
just my 2penceworth
private individuals agree to settle disputes with reference to a specified body of law
Konabunny - Agreed.
However there were a number of cases highlighted in the media, (on the BBC documentary as well, who can hardly be considered right wing) of females who were forced within their own community to settle martial disputes with Sharia Law arbitration.
Now even the most PC of us would be concerned about that?
Surely this will be mainly of interest to the racists?Will be interesting to see how TR's new venture develops...
is that why you are interested?
I'm interested in your interpretation of the 'Wooton-Bassett' incident.
It was definitely my least favourite PG Wodehouse book.
Surely this will be mainly of interest to the racists?
is that why you are interested?
Why do you think he's racist? I don't really bother keeping tabs on people on here - is there previous?
can i ask 1 more question?
can someone be a nationalist without people accusing them of being a racist?
Racism and nationalism are very similar, one believes that the colour of your skin makes them more special than those with different colour skins, the other believes that the nation they belong to makes them more special than other nations.
It's all ridiculous divisions of humanity, the sooner the human race moves past such ideology the better.
+1 MSP
It's all just an accident of birth, afterall.
so a person cant be proud of their country without being racist?
I think it depends what the pride is based on
Ton - as far as I understand the term, nationalism is about feeling that your country is superior to others, so yeah, being a nationalist could be seen as a bit 'tomorrow belongs to me'. Patriotism, on the other hand, is (in my opinion) fine and dandy, but unfortunately, the two are often confused, particularly by the 'I'm not a racist, but' crowd.
so are all the members of the snp racist then?
this is all getting very confusing..... đ