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Have we done the latest work trend yet?
Most workers are “quiet quitting”, according to a new survey released by Gallup. Quiet quitting describes employees who put in minimum effort and feel disconnected from their work.
Gallup estimates that lost productivity owing to low employee engagement could account for $8.8tn globally, or 9.9 per cent of global gross domestic product.
FT: https://www.ft.com/content/20f50964-9ed6-4c88-87bf-5f1b94574825
Also Gallup: https://www.gallup.com/workplace/398306/quiet-quitting-real.aspx
That sounds like my whole working life
I prefer managed mediocrity.
I prefer managed mediocrity.
Wasn't that 2022?
New ? Been in a pipe for the last 18months ?
And let's be honest many companies that suffer from quiet quiters often brought it on themselves
Its a fancy term that seems to have more than one definition. I've normally seen it used to describe a work to rule/no additional hours or roles scenario.
I think it has always existed. Talking with friends I get the impression that demands and expectations in a variety of jobs have got so disconnected from what is realistically attainable that people have given up trying.
demands and expectations in a variety of jobs have got so disconnected from what is realistically attainable that people have given up trying.
Yes many companies have expectations and demands that are reliant on goodwill.
In essence they are making an unviable business viable in many cases by making goodwill their profitmargin.
It's a perjorative phrase invented by the business media world to describe the unforgivable action of a worker who does exactly what they are contracted to do. To be bandied around by middle-managers when they're annoyed their underlings aren't on call 24/7 but aren't able to reprimand them because they're not actually employed to be.
Gallup estimates that lost productivity owing to low employee engagement could account for $8.8tn globally, or 9.9 per cent of global gross domestic product.
Another way of wording this might be: Gallup estimates that $8.8tn globally is added to businesses' top line through the goodwill of employees who go over and above what they're employed to do for no extra remuneration.
I had a boss years ago that asked me if I really wanted to be working there (joinery company) as it didn't seem like my heart was in it.
I had to admit that I didn't, so I left.
August 2022 - Quiet quitting is the new big thing
October 2022 - quiet quitting is over
https://www.businessinsider.com/quiet-quitting-already-over-layoffs-jobs-recession-economy-2022-10
Post covid news: Create new world for something that has existed since the beginning of time. Claim it's a new trend or mental model and blame it for the downfall of society.
It used to be called lazy described half the workforce some of the places I had summer jobs at growing up.
It also requires B grade or lower quality managers to exist and flourish.
Some might call it quiet quitting, but the pre-cursor to that, I call, being 'managed out'.
- Being forced to be on call for a pittance and not being allowed to go to the pub when on call (remote IT support job, not driving or medical stuff).
- Getting blamed for not resolving issues when specialised technical resources are not made available (by the same manager)
- Getting writen up for turning up late to work when you've been up till 4am dealing with some BS that you don't have any control over.
And yes, I've been there!
I'd hoped that I'd have been made redundant from the total bunch of #%@£ts that reverse-took-over and wrecked the Co I was in for near 30 years. But the wehaaaankers wouldn't, even when they put others at risk of redundancy.
Several friends there who were similarly brassed off (quite a lot!) decided to 'quiet quit' and hold out until either they got shoved out, or their min pension age was reached.
(I decided I couldn't wait that long and couldn't suck up the total baaaalux any more, and ****ed off to an alternative business in the end)
Have we done the latest work trend yet?
Latest trend is "lazy girl jobs"
There doesn't appear to be male equivalent, because misogyny.
It used to be called lazy
I disagree, lazy has always been there. But a lot of people have taken stock and reacted to the poor corporate working conditions that have been on the rise. People are just saying **** it, I am not going to take this shit anymore, people who have histories of grafting throughout their lives are realising it has got them nowhere, and are returning the "loyalty" that their employers have shown them.
Most people want to be productive and engaged in their working lives, but if that option isn't available due to poor management and inane corporate structures, then they are now just looking after themselves without the pretence of a career and the hard work myth, most people have jobs not careers.
It used to be called lazy described
It also requires B grade or lower quality managers to exist and flourish.
Agree'd lazy as a B grade manager would call it. Head too far in the sand out of touch with the issues on the shop floor managing from the back.
A leader* would see it from the floor and work with the team to promote and develop a non toxic culture.
Truth is - many managers are adopting the same attitude because they are not getting the support and resource required to adequately deliver the expectation.
*I've had some great leaders in full on shitshows that have fostered a team spirit against the odds pulled the delivery oy the bag . And I've worked in some great teams micro managed by a total shitshow who have had hand out projects go to pot.
slackboy
Full MemberThere doesn’t appear to be male equivalent, because misogyny.
article:
The posters appear to be unanimously women
🤔
I quiet quit every time my CEO (who I have the mis-fortune to report directly to) tries to micro-manage the entire workforce, interferes in everyone's work AND sets insane targets for deliverables.
(Frankly, I don't know how he has time to do all the meddling he does....
Actually, yes I do...because he spends zero time thinking about strategy and where the company is going)
But a lot of people have taken stock and reacted to the poor corporate working conditions that have been on the rise. People are just saying **** it, I am not going to take this shit anymore, people who have histories of grafting throughout their lives are realising it has got them nowhere, and are returning the “loyalty” that their employers have shown them.
Nail on the head. I think less and less people are willing to put up with work bollox any more, especially with such a buoyant job market (in the UK at least).
I quiet quit every time my CEO (who I have the mis-fortune to report directly to) tries to micro-manage the entire workforce, interferes in everyone’s work AND sets insane targets for deliverables.
This +1, new boss for ~12months has killed the enjoyable job. I'm coasting and seeing how long I can get away with it.
This +1, new boss for ~12months has killed the enjoyable job. I’m coasting and seeing how long I can get away with it.
I was insulated from a lot of this shit until my boss quit a few months back and he hasn't been replaced, hence no sanity buffer between me and the CEO...
vlad - time to get out.
frankconway
Full Member
vlad – time to get out.
Too close to retirement to consider another full time "career"...I'm counting down the weeks
Too close to retirement to consider another full time “career”…I’m counting down the weeks
If it all works out for you you may get unfairly dismissed and get a double payout at or just after retirement.
I've been sliding into this mindset since our Dept was subjected to a disastrous and ill-conceived restructure 2.5 years ago - we were losing 1 person a month last year, which in a team of 40 is huge.
I've decided i want out - at 50 years old i don't think i can face another 15/16 years of being overloaded, unsupported and fed up. I've been doing a Project Management qualification which was going to be my ticket out (hopefully around Christmas) but just failed the exam, so the whole plan will be shifted back 4-6 months.
Poor leadership (Grade B managers) are 100% responsible for my mindset.
I'm doing this now as well.
I was a low-level manager with a small team, working my socks off. After a couple of changes to my immediate line manager, and the continual ratcheting up of the processes I was supposed to operate, I realized I could no longer do my job to the standard I expected of myself.
So for a while I became a quiet-quit manager (no-one noticed, so I think I must have really sucked as a manager even before) and then eventually I switched role back to software development.
It was quite an emotional wrench to leave my team (and apparently they are not happy about it) but trying to do my original job was slowly killing me and sucking all the joy out of everything I did.
I'm still with the same company, and I'm still in two minds as to whether I should have just left entirely. Only time will tell, but Quiet Quitting so far is much preferable.
As above, it's been and gone mate.
Yep I resemble that remark.
Did 8 hours overtime last year. Planning on hitting zero this. Could use the extra as everyone could but am lucky to be ok financially. But hate the company who seem to be enjoying the financial crisis to basically force the staff into working extra hours. Nobody has had a pay rise in a decade, but you can work an extra shift a week to make your money up. Manager wasn't impressed that I was planning on telling my barber to work Sunday too instead of passing on a 20% increase.
Hopefully they crack and lay me off in the not too distant future.
So for a while I became a quiet-quit manager (no-one noticed, so I think I must have really sucked as a manager even before) and then eventually I switched role back to software development.
Sounds like we've had similar experiences. I remember a few years ago telling my boss that he was demanding the impossible (he wanted me to recruit a software team paying 10-15k below market rate salaries) so I passed on the responsibility to someone else and became a developer again. I probably should have left at that point, and I would be better off now if I did, but the only reason I didn't was because that's what he wanted/expected. Instead I quietly compensated myself for all the stress and ball-ache by working an unofficial 4 day week and no one noticed. It was at that point I realised that I'd figured work out. 😀
Working hard seems to have very little correlation with job security as redundancy / closure is usually a board level decision with no link to the individual.
Working hard also doesn't seem to get you promoted or paid more as much as simple networking or toadying or even just lying.
To quote an old Viz comedy tea mug "churn it out and F off early" life is too short and more and more people are now waking up to that.
Blackflag pretty much sums it up for me.
To quote an old Viz comedy tea mug “churn it out and F off early” life is too short and more and more people are now waking up to that.
My old boss (the last time I had a permanent job before going self-employed, 9 years ago), bought me that mug as he said it summarised my attitude to my job. I take that as a badge of honour! 😀
Yes noticed references in that guardian article about lazy girl jobs to hustle culture and couldn't help but think it more as hassle culture.
I think its mostly an office culture thing, and I think its been around for years just has a 'label' now.
People work really hard and have decent success increasing thier salaries and responsibilities until they hit the middle/senior management ceiling. At that point working hard work seems to have little correlation to getting promoted or pay increases. In fact the observed behaviours of senior / exec are in fact the opposite of what you;ve done so far to get up the slippery pole.
Choices:
- change - work on 'politics' and forget about working 'hard'
- continue working harder and harder - eventually burnout due to lack of recognition
- quiet quit - work to the objectives you;ve been asked to
- get another job - and start the cycle again. all you are doing is buying a little time before you realise you are back in the same loop
I've been asked over the years to take on more responsibilities, covering resignations, needing to 'prove' you can work at the next level before you can be promoted. Etc... its just a mugs game
Next time I have my builder in, I'll ask him to do a few other jobs, not on the quote and say its because I might pay him more next time!!??!?! wonder how that conversation would go.
My work in particular is having a really hard time with staff engagement, and is kidding itself that it can keep paying below market rates and offer way way below inflation rises and keep people. To quote one director - ' they want to give us meaningful work'. Nearly spat out my coffee. And no, I do not work at a charity.
Yea ........
I've been made redundant, then (eventually, after pursuing a different career for 5 years) hired back on a fixed term contract, then that was ended, then hired back on another one, then extended.
I've not quiet quit, but I suspect I take less shit, do less extra curricular stuff and have openly discussed the mechanics of how to quit my job and come back on a proper contract rate without upsetting IR35 with my department manager and how if I don't see some career development soon I may as well double my money, which can't be normal 🤣.
People work really hard and have decent success increasing their salaries and responsibilities until they hit the middle/senior management ceiling.
It isn't a middle manager thing, it happens all down the food chain, lots of people work hard without any success in moving up the ladder or increasing their salaries.
There has been a working myth sold to society throughout my working life, which seems to be based on 'survivorship bias" rather than the reality of the majority experience.
To quote an old Viz comedy tea mug “churn it out and F off early” life is too short and more and more people are now waking up to that.
Well, it can be a bit more complex than that. For me, I actually enjoy being able to get stuck into a good job and help people out. Obviously I'd rather not have to work, but if I do I want something stimulating, challenging and rewarding. If I get that, then I will work really hard and I will be happy. I will continue working on an interesting task because I actually want to see it through. However, if my manager gives me shit; I only get recognition for what I don't do not what I do; I get bogged down with boring pointless tasks then my entire life becomes miserable regardless of how many hours I am sat here.
If you're just sat there compiling TPS reports all day or whatever, then yeah it's a continuous task stream and you can and should start and stop at defined times. But my job's not like that and that seems to be the case for more people these days.
As well as pay staff well, what employers really need to do is stimulate their staff. Most of us want more than just money, we want a life worth living, and work is an unavoidable and huge part of that for most of us.
“churn it out and F off early”
Made me chuckle
You're too late its "Lazy Girl Jobs" now....
Its almost like the media just spend their time trawling Tik Tok for random catchphrases to spin into a news story.
Having said that, I agree with the majority of the posters general opinions on this thread.
I also think "quiet quitting" (if we have to call it that) is likely a reaction to the kind of slightly unhinged lunatics you see preaching on Linked In telling everyone how they work 100 hours a week and get up at 3am every day and how everyone should be "hustling".
It seems that if you do the job you're asked and no more it is now some sort of form of protest- it used to just be doing the job you were paid for. My dad is 73 and could never understand why me and my brother would sometimes work after 5pm if we weren't paid, and we would shake our heads- but I'm starting to see his point.
My wife and I quiet quit our last jobs (same employer, 10y ago), made the decision to leave around April but had to hang on to the end of the year thanks to a prior commitment that we didn't want to renege on. I spent most of the intervening months learning to swim properly (which somehow I'd missed as a child) and training for my first marathon, both of which have been far more long-term benefit than another 8 months of hard work would have been. Toxic employer wasn't treating us fairly, managers knew this but wouldn't stand up for us because they were weak and basically phoning it in themselves.
Actually, when I say "quiet quit", we were quite vociferous in our complaints over that last year. When we weren't at the pool. (which only opened at 9am, so meant cruising in to work around lunchtime).
an anti-work, anti-ambition sentiment has been brewing among gen Z for quite some time now
Good. I've been hoping for a while that this would happen and start to bring in a new age.
I'm reluctantly at this stage myself, employer has been cruising on goodwill for too long now and enough people have left and not been replaced that we can't realistically pick up the slack anymore. Management are hiding behind us from our clients and that's the point where I checked out because I'm not covering for their problems forever.
Currently coasting until I can decide what to do next and in the last six months I've been able to lose two stone and massively improve my health and fitness by concentrating more on myself.
Gawd!!! I’m glad i don’t employ many of you lot!!
Why? Do you knowingly take on more work than you have capacity to deliver? If not then your workforce should be able to do their work in their contracted hours. If they're not effective at their job and take 2 hours to deliver something that should be done in 1 then it's on you to sort that out. Issues that arise from an effective employee working according to their contract are not generally the fault of the employee.
Gawd!!! I’m glad i don’t employ many of you lot!!
Then I'm glad I don't work for you.
Gawd!!! I’m glad i don’t employ many of you lot!!
..and we may be glad we aren't employed by you
''Gawd!!! I’m glad i don’t employ many of you lot!!''
How much unpaid overtime do you think people should normally do?
I hate LinkedIn, and one reason is the hustle culture they promote, and this is a healthy reaction. I don't expect it from the people I employ.. if we need to work really hard sometimes, that's good, all the time... not good.
I'd near in mind you don't get good productivity just doing lots of hours as well. Other countries work less hours, and are more productive and profitable, and I like that a bit more
an anti-work, anti-ambition sentiment has been brewing among gen Z for quite some time now
Gawd!!! I’m glad i don’t employ many of you lot!!
I don't think that's entirely fair. Anyone entering the job market 2008< has probably had three or four decades worth of economic turmoil imposed on them in a quarter of the time (financial meltdown, austerity, Brexit, Ukraine), is it any wonder we're a bit jaded by the concept of a career when I can only point to 3 people from both my uni and work cohorts that have stayed in the job they started in. That's 90% of people either getting made redundant (some several times) or deciding the grass is greener elsewhere often in an entirely different job and industry.
Why bust a gut in a faceless corporation for the shareholders when on average we've only ever been 2.5 years from another financial apocalypse where we'll potentially be redundant again.
work is a 2 way relationship. plenty of people work hard every day and enjoy it and make plenty of money for their employer. However when one party in the relationship starts taking the piss, the other party will only take it for so long. (this goes both ways....)
And as said above quiet quitting isn't doing bugger all, its doing what is asked of you, but no more chasing the imaginary carrot of progression by doing extra hours / taking on extra responsibilities etc... and being paid the same.
We seem to be fostering a culture of work above all else in this country. It’s a terrible idea and we should all be working less in my opinion. About 90% of existing jobs are unnecessary bollocks any way. We should bring in a universal basic income for all. Then those that want to work themselves in to an early grave can feel free to do so whilst the rest of us get on living or doing something that is meaningful to us. Keep that money rolling in whilst the world burns.
I mentioned in a work training session that I switch my work phone off after work as it’s family time. Everyone looked at me like I’d just happily shit myself in front of them. Mildly offended would be a good description. I felt sorry for them and their families tbh.
However when one party in the relationship starts taking the piss, the other party will only take it for so long. (this goes both ways….)
It's like the salary scam that many fall for.
"Your salaried so stay as long as it takes"
The following week.
"Why are you leaving early it's only 15:00"
"I've finished my work"
" You're contracted to 17:00"
“How much unpaid overtime do you think people should normally do?”
None.
Anything in excess of your contracted hours is overtime.
This should be on a purely voluntary basis and paid at least time and a half.
There should be no sanction for people sticking to their contacted hours.
MoreCashThanDash
Full MemberIts a fancy term that seems to have more than one definition. I’ve normally seen it used to describe a work to rule/no additional hours or roles scenario.
ie "doing the job"
Couple of people have called it right, it's nothing but a new way of bashing people for not working for free. Sometimes you can choose to do additional work or go above and beyond for your own good reasons and that's fine but we've pretty much normalised coming in early, working late, picking up work that's left undone because people have left or been made redundant. There are entire industries that basically only function because of workers doing extra for nothing and how many people really get anything worthwhile out of it?
I had a boss years ago that asked me if I really wanted to be working there (joinery company) as it didn’t seem like my heart was in it.
I had to admit that I didn’t, so I left.
I had that before I'd even been accepted for a role once. When I was at college I went for a weekend job at Texas Homecare (remember them?). Had an interview, fine and was provisionally accepted. Went to learn how to use the tills - had a bit of a demo (there were 2 or 3 of us there at the same time, all new starters). I was happily having a play and learning how to use the til - scanning stuff in etc and ran up an imaginary bill of about £500k. Supervisor came over and accused me of messing around and asking if I wanted a job. Told them "not here and not for you" and left 😀
Gawd!!! I’m glad i don’t employ many of you lot!!
You have a problem with people fulfilling their contractual obligations?
an anti-work, anti-ambition sentiment has been brewing among gen Z for quite some time now
What a load of shit.
It's doing what you're paid for.
we’ve pretty much normalised coming in early, working late, picking up work that’s left undone because people have left or been made redundant.
I worked at a brilliant gaming company that was then taken of by a big American Corporate firm (of out-and-out bastards) who decided to enforce our contractual obligation to work a 'reasonable' amount of unpaid overtime.
They then repeatedly slashed the lead times on all jobs until it was just completely unattainable. Well... we thought it was unattainable. They didn't, because there interpretation of a 'reasonable' amount of unpaid overtime was 12 hour days, 7 days a week with no holidays. They had actually drawn up work schedules to this effect.
Everyone voted with their feet and left within a couple of months, including an entire department walking out one morning, and after that they just couldn't recruit because all specialist sectors are incestuous and bad news travels fast.
They had bought the market leading company in the field, absolutely destroyed what had been a fantastic working environment in a matter of weeks and then watched their market share plummet as all their highly skilled, experienced staff walked out. Their competitors were absolutely delighted to offer jobs to the evacuees.
Christ only how many millions, or probably billions, they lost with their brilliant new attitude to their staff, but ultimately doing this is just totally counterproductive. Nobody benefits, but unfortunately the desire of some senior management to be Billy Big Bollocks seems to override this
I read an article in the Economist that said UK productivity was the lowest of the G12, excluding Russia (though I read the article last year so things could have changed since then...)
They also mentioned that back in 2000's it was second only to the USA. What's changed in the interim I wonder?
I started full-time employment over 47 years ago and since that time I've seen my fair share of folk who would do the very minimum to ensure their continued employment. There's a massive difference between being at your work and being at work.
When I got pushed into the sales department when I was 18, little did I know that 22 years later I'd still be doing that role. With no qualifications outside of GSCE's and 22 years experience, I often feel I am quiet quitting. This current downturn is really not good, and my motivation and drive are at an all time low. A manager who does not have any empathy, and only talks about targets. We don't have an overtime option, but would be required to work outside the normal 9-5. Doesn't happen often though.
Relying on the manufacturing industries right now, the outlook is not good.
So, locked into a dead end job in an industry that is struggling with no way out to earn similar money in a different industry. I earn just above national average for a technical sales job with over 20 years experience. Maybe I'm being taken for a ride.
our contractual obligation to work a ‘reasonable’ amount of unpaid overtime
I've a pretty firm idea of how much extra work I believe is reasonable for me to do for free!
Indeed. Thats why I've spent most of my career as a freelancer. If I'm working then the meter is running 😀
You wouldn't believe how much it effects your attitude. When you're in a full time job and some bell end wants to change everything at the eleventh hour, to justify their own jobs, there used to be a lot of swearing.
When you're freelance, its just more hours on their invoice
work is a 2 way relationship
This. I am not a robot.
I read an article in the Economist that said UK productivity was the lowest of the G12, excluding Russia (though I read the article last year so things could have changed since then…)
They also mentioned that back in 2000’s it was second only to the USA. What’s changed in the interim I wonder?
We do score top marks for lowest investment by companies in themselves and also by HMG in UK infrastructure!
We have a culture of low skill, low paid employment which discourages making any investment in machines or employees to improved productivity.
When I heard about "Quiet Quitting" a year or so ago, I realised I was way ahead of the curve for once!
I bounced around a bit after Uni before landing at my current company, got a job that I enjoyed and was really good at but then (like others have said) had a change of boss. New boss was to be perfectly honest a bully. Nothing was ever good enough, work late but don't be a second late. Do extra stuff but don't let your core stuff slip. Changing priorities on a daily basis.
Managed to get promoted up and across away from him.
Since then I have had 2 job titles but fundamentally I am a team of 1. My boss (whilst good) also manage a different but related team.
Worked my butt off for a couple of years but after watching people who are fundamentally bad at their jobs but are really good at BSing or stay really late (mainly due to their inefficiency) get promoted, I decided to stop bothering.
Now I work my contracted hours (mainly from home), do my job and nothing more. No one covers for me whilst I'm on holiday so some things tend to grind to a halt but that's not really my problem. The laptop closes at 1700 and I basically don't think about work until 0830 the next day at the earliest. The work phone goes on holiday with me but is turned off and only taken for "I'm stuck in a airport/foreign country" type emergencies.
My work attitude in GIF form:
I read an article in the Economist that said UK productivity was the lowest of the G12
Productivity is a result of the skill of the work force, the systems and the plant that they work with. You can have people working 14hr days peeling potatoes by hand but the productivity would be low. You can have one person operating the magic peeler 5000 with a through put of 5000 potatoes per hour and the productivity is high. Simarly a worker who produces a high quality code ina afternoon is creating capital for a company and hopefully helping their profit. This is highly productive.
yes, no longer have individual performance measures, hence we get the same pay/bonus as the worst performers, well under inflation. many restructures and job losses in recent years to bare bones in many areas,
senior management support is at an all time low 46%,
goodwill is burnt out, i do 37.5 hours a week now, in the past it was mid 40s
I worked in a small department in financial services run by a total ***t of a boss. Being small we knew we had to be a bit more flexible and multi-skilled - at times it made things more interesting. But the boss also used this to handicap those doing well - piling on new tasks which guaranteed mediocrity or failure by the unfortunates who were lumbered. It was perfectly summed up by a junior employee who observed “you don’t get promoted here, you just accumulate more responsibilities “, and quiet quitting is the pushback on that sort of mentality.
Gawd!!! I’m glad i don’t employ many of you lot!!
are you Musk or Bezos?
I was once put on a PIP for not beating SLAs by ‘enough’
I still laugh about it now, having got a huge payout on leaving 😁
(I didn’t leave, directly, because of that but started doing exactly as I was told and nothing more for the duration of the PIP, 2 YEARS, until the line manager quit, and her boss was made redundant. I was offered VR 18 months later, payout was a years salary, bit their arm off.
‘I’m still standing’ is one of my faves of Elton John’s)
This is a salaried thing isn't it?
I've never understood salaries. If you're contracted for 160 hours per month, or whatever, then why has anyone ever regularly gone over that without sorting the problem.
I currently drive a truck on the same route every day on day rate. My finish time varies by about two hours, but my average equivalent hourly rate is acceptable. If I was regularly getting back late, lowering my equivalent hourly rate, I'd renegotiate my day rate.
Why don't people on salary do that?
It's a sort of class/ego/snob thing, isn't it. Day rates are seen as something for the workers, salaries are what management get (although, most salaried staff are simply, in old school terms, white collar workers themselves).
I’d renegotiate my day rate.
Wow, that simple eh? 😉
How much do you get paid on the days where you don’t drive the truck, for whatever reason?
It’s a sort of class/ego/snob thing, isn’t it?
I always think of it as an American thing.
I worked (very, very briefly) in a studio at a large American corporate where there were a small number of ‘salaried’ senior staff and all the rest of us were barely-tolerated, freelance plebs.
The presenteeism was absolutely off the chart. Us lot, who were paid by the hour, were in 30 seconds before we were due to start and out of there like a Polaris missile 0.0000000001 of a millisecond after we were due to finish
The salaried corporate whores would be in an hour before us and stop for at least an hour after we were gone
I wouldn’t mind, but they did absolutely **** all during that time (or for the rest of the day, for that matter), because it was us lot who did all the actual work! But it was just what was expected of ‘staff’ … to be seen ‘putting the hours in’, so it’s just what they all did. Every single day, without question
Absolutely bonkers! The mugs!
Wow, that simple eh?
Yes, there's a shortage of truck drivers and they don't want me to leave.
How much do you get paid on the days where you don’t drive the truck, for whatever reason?
It hasn't happened yet, but I wouldn't get paid.
However...
I was part time doing three days a week. This job* came up doing 5 to 6 hours five days a week, so I was asked if I wanted it instead.
*By different job, I mean different route/collection/delivery for the same company. A different role, if you like.
I read an article in the Economist that said UK productivity was the lowest of the G12
Productivity is a result of the skill of the work force, the systems and the plant that they work with. You can have people working 14hr days peeling potatoes by hand but the productivity would be low. You can have one person operating the magic peeler 5000 with a through put of 5000 potatoes per hour and the productivity is high. Simarly a worker who produces a high quality code ina afternoon is creating capital for a company and hopefully helping their profit. This is highly productive.
Economists talk about economic productivity, which is IIRC something like money earned for the company per hour worked. This is what some companies refer to when they say productivity, so you can increase it in perverse ways e.g. by lowering quality (one way of spending less time) or charging the customer more.
Yes, there’s a shortage of truck drivers and they don’t want me to leave.
New to that game. Or. A short memory ? Truckers T+c have been in decline for years and they reached crisis point to get you in that position Of being able to name your price - it hasn't always been that way.