[Closed] Python eats pet cat

That would suggest that cats have an insignificant effect on constant wild bird population levels

Having had a cat clear out a nest of robin chicks we were eagerly watching in the garage, I'm slightly surprised that the domestic cat can be defended at all. The cost of these psychopathic little killing machines is the unnecessary deaths of millions of native birds, frogs, toads, slow worms, voles, shrews etc. I've yet to come up with a benefit, other than as python food. As has been noted, ownership of these pointless pets can be filed under

human activity

just pointing out your bizarre lack of empathy

As am I yours...

Why should it be ok for a molycoddled, spoilt [s]pet[/s] pest to kill and maim wild animals?

wild bird populations are not constant.

But not because of predatory activity from cats it would appear. Song birds produce rather large broods every year. Robins for example, will typically lay 4-6 eggs, and 3 successful broods per year is not usual. Life expectancy for a Robin is only about a year, but obviously a pair of robins only need two of their off-springs to survive for their population level to remain constant. The other 15 or so off-spring are produced to allow for losses including, losses due to predators such as hawks and carnivorous mammals (you might be surprised to learn that foxes can leap high enough to catch birds in mid-air) Of course due to human activity, song birds lack many of the natural predators (hawks, weasels etc) which they have evolved to compensate for. As I have said, I doubt what is taken by domestic cats (one bird every two years per cat) is significant. If it is, then that is probably because of the huge amount of other losses birds suffer as a result of human activity - loss of habitat, pesticides etc.

[i]"220 million other animals as mind blowing"[/i]

Not really imo. Because of the areas where they are mostly kept, I suspect the the overwhelming majority of 'other animals' killed by cats are mice.

Corroded, all the Stephens Island Wren shows is that the presence of cats would indeed be of grave concern if the UK was 1 mile across, and the birds on it were flightless.

Why should it be ok for a molycoddled, spoilt pet pest to kill and maim wild animals?

why should it be ok for a molycoddled, spoilt pet to be maimed and killed by a human?

I have said, I doubt what is taken by domestic cats (one bird every two years per cat) is significant.

I doubt what is taken by domestic pythons (one cat) is significant either...

Unless you're the Stephen's Island Wren

Presumably Stephen's Island Wrens hadn't evolved to deal with any threat from predators [u]at all[/u].
Once Stephen's Island had been discovered by humans, they were buggered.

I doubt what is taken by domestic pythons (one cat) is significant either...

On the level of cat population, no it isn't.

What's your point ?

cats are banned as pets in some parts of new zealand I believe

Why should it be ok for a molycoddled, spoilt pet pest to kill and maim wild animals?

why should it be ok for a molycoddled, spoilt pet to be maimed and killed by a human?

Neither is ok, but if I kill a molycoddled cat, it might save many birds from their grizzly fate.

We clearly have different views, and clearly neither of them are 100% correct. However as cats *are* a direct product of human activity, you're basically saying killing defenceless birds for no reason is OK, and by having a cat, you are by proxy doing so. At least if I killed a cat, i'd be doing it for a purpose.

What [i]IS[/i] the purpose of domestic cats, apart from a frivolous extravagance of human excess?

Do you have to have a purpose to exist, then? I think you're in trouble mate.

What IS the purpose of domestic cats

Originally vermin control. Also companionship............ and in my case, 'life-style gurus'.

BTW as well as cats, I keep birds - including wild rescued birds.

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Now tell me .....what's "the purpose" of MTBing ?

Do you have to have a purpose to exist, then?

I guess that'll be a question for Richard Dawkins, or God, Allah, Buddah, or whoever, mate....

Now tell me .....what's "the purpose" of MTBing ?

A question that has perplexed walkers for the past 30 years or so...

"On the level of cat population, no it isn't.

What's your point ?"

You were suggesting that cats don't pose a threat to wild bird populations. I am suggesting that snakes don't pose a threat to the cat population, so why worry about it?

I am suggesting that snakes don't pose a threat to the cat population, so why worry about it?

I'm sorry ........ maybe I haven't been paying enough attention to this thread, but I wasn't aware anyone was worried about snakes having a detrimental effect on the UK cat population ?

But if this is the case then, yes - I can see your point.

As I have said, I doubt what is taken by domestic cats (one bird every two years per cat) is significant. If it is, then that is probably because of the huge amount of other losses birds suffer as a result of human activity - loss of habitat, pesticides etc.

Those human activities, whilst destructive, do serve a purpose when you look at the increasing pressures placed on the planet thanks to the ever-increasing human population. Again, how do cats help us provide space or shelter for our own kind? They are a destructive frivolous excess with no useful purpose.

Perhaps we are too, but how do you propose we solve that? Limit the numbers of children people have, sterilise chavs, euthanasia, stop treating the ill? Where do you stop? Compared to that, limiting cat numbers seems somewhat less controversial....

So basically, you'd like to kill off useless members of the population, but can't, so cats will do?

you're basically saying killing defenceless birds for no reason is OK

No I'm not, show me where I've said that, what I've been saying is that kicking cats its wrong and I said something along the lines that you sound like a pathatic waste of skin to me.

So basically, you'd like to kill off useless members of the population, but can't, so cats will do?

Ultimately, the single most destructive force on this planet is the human population. Either we limit ourselves before we hit the planet's limits, or we'll destroy most of the rest of the natural world in an attempt to stave off the inevitable. Quite simple facts when you consider water and food shortages predicted over the next 20-50 years.

Compared to that cats (and their effects on the wild birds near my garden) are hardly of consequence, but as we've all got so worked up about that, it would be a shame to lose our track on the topic... (Which after all happened when you diverted the argument onto the philosophy of human existence a couple of post back)

No I'm not, show me where I've said that, what I've been saying is that kicking cats its wrong and I said something along the lines that you sound like a pathatic waste of skin to me

I'm saying [u]keeping[/u] cats is wrong, as they are a pathetic waste of fur and wildlife, and their owners are a pathetic waste of skin...

And by endorsing cats, you are tacitly agreeing that the mindless killing of wild birds is OK. After all, that's what cats do. I can't help but think that this thread would pan out differently if instead of piously defending cats, one or two owners posting on here took out the middleman (middlecat?) and shot the birds for fun. As domestic cats are kept for fun, and they kill birds, that's basically the same idea.

Compared to that, limiting cat numbers seems somewhat less controversial....

And compared to the total effect on the the environment by humans, resorting to 'limiting cat numbers' is clearly a pointless and futile exercise. As I have already suggested, British song birds have evolved to deal with losses sustained by predators. If the insignificant losses they are experiencing from cat kills is having a dramatic effect on song bird populations, then this can only be because so many other issues are effecting their population levels.

[i]"Perhaps we are too, but how do you propose we solve that?"[/i]

Are you [i]seriously[/i] suggesting we cannot manage our environment better ? Other than 'reducing the cat population' ?

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If we let our pet pythons get big enough, perhaps they can control the human population?

If the insignificant losses they are experiencing from cat kills is having a dramatic effect on song bird populations, then this can only be because so many other issue are effecting their population levels.

And by endorsing cats, you are tacitly agreeing that the mindless killing of wild birds is OK

No, wrong again. I havent endorssed cats, I dont have one if if one came in my garden my pet lurcher could very well have a similar effect to the python, except quicker. What I actally have said, if you coulf be bothered to read, is that kicking cats, or any other animal is wrong. Other animals do what come naturally but apparently what ever passes for your brain cannot control itself.

As an aside your original post, I think suggested that cats shitting in your garden should be kicked it didnt mention twittypie

You seem to be deliberately avoiding the question.

LOL ! 'deliberately avoiding the question' ? - why would I do that ? 😀

I wasn't aware there was a 'question' ....... what is the question - how to improve the environment for British song birds ?

Well I think that's probably a topic for another thread. Although I would suggest that pesticides are probably a good area to look at for a start. And I don't mean just the pesticides used in agriculture - also those used in domestic gardens. I suspect that the lack of insect life to raise broods probably has far more effect on song bird populations than the one bird each cat takes every other year on average.

btw, I'm surprised that the vilification of magpies hasn't started on this thread yet - [i]oh how we like to blame other species[/i]

🙂 I was referring to zokes's valid enquiry about the purpose of domestic cats. You did mention pest control but I doubt many house cats are kept for pest control these days.

I'm not at all surprised magpies haven't been vilified yet. They are an important, indigenous and natural part of British ecosystems, clearing up carrion, for example. While both kill songbirds, the difference between a magpie and a cat (ok, one of the many differences) is that the magpie has a role in the wild. The cat, so far as I can see, is a human indulgence.

I thought it was hilarious...

JUSTICE FOR WILBUR

Funny As F***

This is the one I always reach for when discussing cats

[url= http://www.abdn.ac.uk/~nhi775/cat_predation.htm ]http://www.abdn.ac.uk/~nhi775/cat_predation.htm[/url]

Bucket-water-job done

http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/editorial-080828-1.html

I'm off to batter some pussy!

As an aside your original post, I think suggested that cats shitting in your garden should be kicked it didnt mention twittypie

I would kick the owner too, but as most cat-lovers on here seem to demonstrate, i'm currently aiming my boot at the more intelligent party. My original post actually simply highlighted the hilarity of a someone's pet cat being eaten by a pet snake in the snake owner's garden. The result of which led the pig thick cat owners to blame the snake, not look as to why the cat was in someone else's garden in the first place.

And ernie_lynch, have you let that PaddedRudeFred dimwit onto your account again?

(What is it with people with underscores in their names?) 😕

I would kick the owner too, but as most cat-lovers on here seem to demonstrate, i'm currently aiming my boot at the more intelligent party.

Yeah your posts have been very intelligent.

result of which led the pig thick cat owners to blame the snake

Blame the snake I didnt see any of that, a few people rightly thought it was irresponsible to leave a python unattended in a back garden.

You then rabitted on about kicking cats which had shit in your garden, something which you might be better off taking up with the owner but I expect your to scared of things which kick back.

Yeah your posts have been very intelligent.

You then rabitted on about kicking cats which had shit in your garden, something which you might be better off taking up with the owner but I expect [s]your[/s] [b]you're[/b] to[b]o[/b] scared of things [s]which[/s] [b]that[/b] kick back.

Clearly cleverer than you then...

I'm afraid that kicking a cat and letting it learn its presence is not wanted is a darn sight less cruel than letting your lurcher 'see to it', which is what you implied might happen if a cat were to enter your garden. Is the potentially violent dog some sort of compensation for something? Not sounding very big now, are we?

And as there are about eight cats that frequent my garden, I feel i'd be wasting a lot of time looking for the correct owner to kick on each occasion.

You are surprisingly childish zokes. But if you want to correct other people's posts just to prove how clever you are, then you missed the double 'o' in too.

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Oh, I see that you have edited it now !!!

You're taking this very seriously - good for you !

I'm afraid that kicking a cat and letting it learn its presence is not wanted is a darn sight less cruel than letting your lurcher 'see to it'

You really are quite stunningly stupid arent you? Do you not understand that your thought processes and my dogs should be somewhat different.

Also if your going to use quotation marks to make a point at least quote what I said.

PS still waiting for that email so that I can give you the address for you to send me some cat shit via recorded delivery.

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You really are quite stunningly stupid arent you? Do you not understand that your thought processes and my dogs should be somewhat different.

Oh I see. Right, I'll go and buy a violent dog, leave it in my garden, then all I need to worry about is clearing up dead cats and one animal's crap, which I'll tie up in a little plastic bang and hang on the nearest tree.

Problem solved, it might even stop that pesky kid with his balls you mentioned earlier, and all passed by the moral superiority that is a_a

(Of course, my thought process should be not to kick the cat, and yours should be not to leave your dog in the garden, lest kitty purr by. But that's just semantics)

Problem solved, it might even stop that pesky kid with his balls you mentioned earlier, and all passed by the moral superiority that is a_a

Show my where I mentiond a kid with a ball?

Show my where I mentiond a kid with a ball?

Someone with similarly simple thought processes to yourself mentioned it a while back

yours should be not to leave your dog in the garden, lest kitty purr by

Dog lives in the garden, your thinking seems confused, earlier you were laughing at the fact that a python ate a cat which had roamed into the pythons lair, with the implication that pets shouldnt be allowed to roam (and shit) in other peoples garden but it was ok for a python to be in its owners garden.

Someone with similarly simple thought processes to yourself mentioned it a while back

So whilst you will correct my grammar and use quotation marks around things I didnt write you will also berate me for something I didnt write. There doesnt seem to be much point discussing it with you any further. I'll just leave you with this tip. Please dont ever kick a cat when I'm watching.

Your explicit statement is that I should not be allowed to prevent cats from roaming into my garden by personally discouraging them by whatever means I see fit at the split second I see them. As you seemed to imply your dog may prevent such a problem, you're knowingly leaving a dog that you openly admit may kill a cat somewhere where such an encounter may happen.

Basically, just like what was discussed earlier about it being ok for cats to kill birds, yet not for a human to inflict less lethal harm on cats to prevent them killing birds; you're now stating that it's not OK for me to kick a cat, yet it would be OK for me to buy a dog which might kill one.

If I were a cat, i'd consider being kicked and learning my lesson a much more favourable option than encountering your lurcher.

I'm sure you can now see why I appear confused - I am. On the one hand I can't kick a cat as that would be cruel, but on the other, I can leave a dog for which I have responsibility where it may kill a cat.

For the record, I have no argument with your dog seeing off a cat, in much the same way I was vaguely amused by the python. I simply can't understand why you're happy to leave your dog where it may kill a cat and not consider that outcome as cruel, whereas it seems I'm worse than a seal clubber if I were to merely kick a cat.

I'll just leave you with this tip. Please dont ever kick a cat when I'm watching.

Why, might you be cruel and inflict pain on me? Oh the irony...

I really tried to resist, last try at making you understand. My dog may attack a cat, however it would be dumb cat that didnt notice her (I suspect pythons on the other hand hide quite well) and it would be an accident she doesnt understand a cat is not fair game. You on the otherhand are apparently an itelligent species so should be able to see that attacking a cat and inflicting pain for the crime of shitting in your garden is quite wrong, but you dont see it that way. Cruelty in my mind has a level of thought, enjoyment and pleasure. I am not cruel for leaving a dog unattended in my garden I'm very sure of that. You on the otherhand must have not been hugged enough as a child.

Spot on.

And you, quite simply fail to understand my point. You confess that your dog may injure or kill a cat that strays into your garden. The blindingly obvious way for you to mitigate this risk, and therefore your 'cruelty' by proxy is to keep rover indoors. Making the choice to keep him outside is making the choice that you will be responsible if it encounters a cat, as you are presumably also an intelligent being that could foresee such an attack.

Trying to go back on topic. If I buy a cat, in the full knowledge that it will kill wild birds, yet derive pleasure from owning it, and I am no less cruel from deriving pleasure by dispatching the birds myself. I can see by owning a cat I would endanger local wildlife (not to mention my own health if it crapped in a neighbour's garden), and chose not to. You also seem to have missed the point that cats really aren't that stupid, and if they get a boot for being in my garden, they will learn one way or the other that my garden isn't a nice place to be.

On the other hand, I could just buy a dog (or python?) and leave that in the garden, and if it eats a cat, then ce la vie...

Don't get me started on ****ing dogs! Had three dog egg strikes last night, and stopped once in an area which had obviously been mined by the kennel club. So anagallis_arvensis, whilst your dog may well have a go at my cat, I'll happily kick your dogs poo chute right back inside its little furry butt if you let it crap all over trails..... fair trade?

I clear up after my dog end of story, if I didnt kick me not her. Mind you if you kicked her you better be a fast runner.

I clear up after my dog end of story

So why would I kick your dog in such circumstances? Similarly why set your dog on my cat? How about setting it on me? And likewise if you do you had better have a very large book down the back of your shorts, as I will open a whole case of whoop arse on you and your dog both should you choose that route tough guy.

Grrrrrrr

why would you kick any dog in such circumstances, its the owner that needs educating.

Similarly why set your dog on my cat?

Explain to me where I said I would. Problem with this site is that apparently no ****er can read.

Has Cadel Evans hacked into multiple accounts on here?

Dogs are fine in my book - any mammal that can lick its nads is A O.K. by me.

Cats on the other hand fulfil no useful purpose in life except destruction and as a stuffed pencil sharpener. And don't get me started on cat lovers! They're as insincere and predatory as the animals they keep - and yes that includes my ex-wife!

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Jeepers creepers, guys, GIVE IT A REST FFS!!!!!!!

I don't think anyone is really going to kill anything, are they?

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Calm down! Calm down!

Mind you if you kicked her you better be a fast runner.

Is your response to everything a meaningless threat across cyberspace?

Can we not start restricting things to 140 words?

My head hurts..... 😥

Did you just call me a **** ?

Right thats it ... outside now!

I don't think anyone is really going to kill anything, are they?

Clearly a_a's dog will if it gets near a cat - a fact he's proud enough to brag about on a forum

Yeah and I'll rearrange the mutts butt if I get its poop sprayed all over me, and I'll tan his if he sets his mutt on my pussy..... Grrrrr some more!

Did you just call me a * ?

Right thats it ... outside now

No I called you a * not a **** .
You'll have to hang on while I get dressed, wouldnt want my dressing gown coming undone whilst have a wrestle would we.

Clearly a_a's dog will if it gets near a cat - a fact he's proud enough to brag about on a forum

You clearly cannot read and someone who talks about kicking cats as an aide to training is at best to be pitied.

DING! DING!

Round 2.........!

Trying to go back on topic. If I buy a cat, in the full knowledge that it will kill wild birds, yet derive pleasure from owning it, and I am no less cruel from deriving pleasure by dispatching the birds myself. I can see by owning a cat I would endanger local wildlife

Hahaha, what utter toss. God knows where you've learnt any of that.

Kicking cats is cruel and absurd!

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tankslapper, exactly my point. Super soaker water pistol is good too.

Hahaha, what utter toss

Thereby demonstrating my point. Kitty is a killer - you know this, yet still fail to see how keeping an animal that DOES and WILL kill wildlife is wrong. If I were to kick your cat I would definitely be kicking the more intelligent party.

As tankslapper has eloquently suggested, I could just kill the thing, as I would know I was killing a cat not to eat it, just as moggy knows it's killing a bird but won't eat it. It is after all my instinct to protect my territory....

tankslapper, exactly my point. Super soaker water pistol is good too.

There was a point, and you missed it

WHAT! a ****!!!!!! .... You lousy bicyclist!

Bring your mates, and don't you worry about yer dressing gown, let the buggers swing, I'll be ripping them off and stuffing them somewhere that precludes dog egg trail interfaces!!

@ tankslapper - so you're saying cats don't serve a purpose, what about the companionship they can bring to some people? As for serving a purpose.. *slips in to your character* if a dog isn't a rescue dog/drugs dog/sheep dog/police dog etc, whats the point in having it?

if a dog isn't a rescue dog/drugs dog/sheep dog/police dog etc, whats the point in having it?

None whatsoever, but with the exception of a_a's lurcher, they don't tend to kill things on a whim as can be much better trained. Also it's not socially acceptable to let them wander free and crap in your neighbours' gardens. At least if a dog chases a sheep it is acceptable for the farmer to shoot it....

Riding on cycle trail through local nature reserve when a dog walker is spied walking past the big sign saying nature reserve dogs must be kept on a short lead. Said dog walker says to partner "Oh look she's found something to play with" as their dog runs about in the undergrowth chasing a ground nesting bird FFS!

and the difference between my cat and her dog is???

the difference between my cat and her dog is???

an irresponsible owner?

dogs are thick as two short planks, where as cats secretly rule the world?

"and the difference between my cat and her dog is???"

As a rule, dogs aren't left free to roam, whereas cats are.

@0091paddy My point is cats do what cats do. If people want companionship get a dog – why have a killing machine? Besides, what other purpose do cats serve? Sheep cat anyone?

As a rule, dogs aren't left free to roam, whereas cats are.

Sighs deeply and very regretfully find himself agreeing with a_a

You clearly cannot read ............

a_a

an irresponsible owner?

PREEEEEEEECISELY! Thus no need to extract retribution from the innocent party wheter feline, canine or reptile! Unless course any of them are crapping where I ride, in which case poo pipe kicked up furry, or for that matter scaley bum will ensue, simply as an aid to training. So you lot stop being nasty Tiddles, Fi-Fi or Spike and beat up their owners instead.

Problem solved, so now can we talk about intresting or amusing stuff instead, like muffin tops, gunts or bunts for instance.

A cat owner by definition is irresponsible....

No one owns a cat 🙂

A cat owner by definition is irresponsible....

Your language might be (deliberately?)provocative, but I can't see how an owner could possibly prevent their cat from crapping in neighbours' gardens and killing wildlife. By contrast, it's perfectly possible to prevent a dog from doing those things.

No ransos - it's a fact. If you let your animal do what the heck it likes then that's irresponsible. (Unless its neutered in which case its partly irresponsible)

If a dog owner got on the way cat owners got on then the dog would be thrown in the pound. Ergo cat owners and ownership leading to mass destruction of wildlife and defecating at will = irresponsible. FACT!