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I've been puzzled by the the almost pathological hatred the Tories have for the common man. They are not the Tories I remember from my youth, and Labour seemed to adopted a lot of the disdain as well.
If it's true, this could go some way to explaining it.
I’ve been puzzled by the the almost pathological hatred the Tories have for the common man.
Living in a bubble? I hear many defenders of the tories who think that Labour will (recite list from DM/Express) and that any pain is worthwhile to keep the scroungers in line etc. etc.
I’ve been puzzled by the the almost pathological hatred the Tories have for the common man. They are not the Tories I remember from my youth,
The Tories of my youth closed the steelworks, put 12000 people in my town on the dole and sent the coppers round to give them a good hiding when they complained about it.
If that wasn’t pathological hatred of the common man, I don’t know what is.
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I’ve been puzzled by the the almost pathological hatred the Tories have for the common man.
If I was a Tory, and I'd based my entire career on fooling people into voting for me even though it's massively against their interests, by repeating essentially the same mantra of bullshit every 4 years, I'd probably hate my own voters too.
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They are not the Tories I remember from my youth
So which ones were they? When have the Tories ever been benevolent to the "common man"?
EDIT : Yeah, what perchy said.
I heard Theresa's speech on the radio earlier today. You're wrong, she and her party are all about the working people of this country
I’ve been puzzled by the the almost pathological hatred the Tories have for the common man. They are not the Tories I remember from my youth
"The General Strike has taught the working class more in four days than years of talking could have done."Arthur Balfour, 1926
They are not the Tories I remember from my youth
Surely, humour?
They are not the Tories I remember from my youth
Certainly are from mine just not quite as bad but working on being worse.
Rubbish Perchy the police were very friendly.
Here's one handing out ice pops.
EDIT : Yeah, what perchy said.
Indeed.
And Redcar, and the trouser fumble the Welsh Valleys suffered.
The Tory’s are closing in on themselves, creating an inward retarded view and sucked in by their own mantra.
I’ve been puzzled by the the almost pathological hatred the Tories have for the common man.
I thought it was why they existed
I’ve been puzzled by the the almost pathological hatred the Tories have for the common man. They are not the Tories I remember from my youth
Didn't grow up in the 80's in the north then? My journey to school took me past Parkside colliary. So I got to witness, almost daily, rows of black marias full of Thatchers tooled up stormtroopers, all bussed in from the south on premium overtime, beating the living shit out of the dads of my mates at school. All for having the affrontary to want to keep their jobs, and maybe not have to live in abject poverty
The Tory's are the lowest form of human life. They are all utter ****s devoid of any shred of empathy, compassion or human decency. They hate us! Always have! And we all hate them right back! I cracked open a bottle of bubbly when that evil bitch died, and I'd happily dance on her grave, then piss on it!
Bizarely, right under Binner's post I've got a pop-up advert for a subscription to the Torygraph, sorry Telegraph.
And these present shower of shit are even worse than their 80's incarnation. They're *ing unhinged and want to turn the Uk into some sort of massive Victorian Workhouse, where we're all serfs doffing our caps to our masters.
Our only hope of salvation is the fact that they're also totally *ing incompetent!
the fact that they’re also totally ****ing incompetent!
At least that's something all modern political parties can unite on.
That picture is from Orgreave.
That’s what the Tories thought of the working man.
They destroyed the area I grew up in (Barnsley).
I detest them.
I’ve been puzzled by the the almost pathological hatred the Tories have for the common man. They are not the Tories I remember from my youth,
When was your youth, and what do you remember from it ? 😳
When have the Tories ever been benevolent to the “common man”?
That’s not entirely fair. I despise them from the bottom of my being, too, but there is a legitimate tradition of being ‘red Tory’ or One Nation Tory, or whatever you want to call them. In my experience, many of the latter sort cared as much about the well being of people as the left-of-centre parties. They’ve always been a minority, but they have been there.
The Tories are just especially vile now because they have been 100% co-opted by neo-cons, New Populists (UKIPers), and complete, unmitigated asshats, such as we have never seen before.
The motto of this year’s Tory conference should be:
If Assholes could fly, this place would be an airport.
The most tragic thing about this present collection of soulless, joyless moral vacuums is that if their iconic bitch-queen did return from the dead I think she’d be as utterly appalled by them as the rest of us.
Yeah. But blue passports people.
Oh look another thread bashing the current in power political party.
Sure the bashers above could do a better job, baffles me why the above arnt MPs. Of course I expect another similar thread when Labour get back into power.
😉
I can't comment on this subject because there'd be nothing left after the swear filter was finished.
It’s not a case of bashing whoever’s in power. I’ve despised these utter and complete *s with every fibre of my being for decades - with a hell of a lot of justification - and I’ll carry on loathing the *ers post-Brexit once they’ve done enough damage to see them out of power for generations
Oh look another thread bashing the current in power political party.
In the last 5 years which policies have benefited the general working person the most?
... and whoever did the graphics for the big screens at their conference has just gone on ‘The List’ for crimes again Typography.
Sweet Jesus! It looks like they’ve given a 12 year old with ADHD a can of red bull and Mac with after effects on it
The ****s!!!
They are not the Tories I remember from my youth,
I detest the one's I remember from my youth.When that witch Thatcher shuffled off this mortal coil the news reports showed clips from back in the day when she was in charge,I thought with the passing of time I'd got over it all until those news clips were shown,I ended up turning the air blue & shouting at the telly ,utter bunch of arrogant self serving...I can't finish off this sentence as the swear filter will go into meltdown...
Binners,one of my cousins was a miner at Parkside,his description of the tories from that era would also overload the swear filter!
Luckily my family never felt Thatcher's wrath but as I watched the vans full of coppers heading north I knew something was very
From that moment I've hated the tories. I guess some of them might be ok but I'm not prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Binners, when you are finished with the grave can I set it on fire?
Nice picture of Rees-Mogg with his favourite rhythm material...
I'm from an area of the north that the Tories absolutely decimated in the 70's and 80's. Tens of thousands of people forced out of work because of privatization. I hate them.
I hate the working classes who vote for them.
I know a lad, stuck in someone's nice little rental earner/former LA property, on minimum wage, in a job that used to pay a reasonable wage before he was forced into contracting. He can't afford to drive, go on holiday and lives in a house share. Existing to go to his dead end job that will never change his position in life. I was stunned he thought the Tories have done their best for people like him and more importantly they have punished them ****ing lay-a-bout scroungers down the road!
North of England- started work in 79, indirectly involved on the miners strike.
I can not write down how much i hate these *****
Too many politicians off all persuasions these days have degrees but not much other experience of the real world. It's not that long ago I could name most of the cabinet and shadow cabinet. These days I'd struggle to name half a dozen…
I should have pointed out that I left the UK in 1970 and didn't return until 2004, so I was in a different bubble, an Australian one. 🙂
I wasn't paying much attention to UK politics in that period.
Aneurin Bevan
What is Toryism but organised spivvery? … No amount of cajolery can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party … So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.
<cite> speech at Manchester, 4 July 1948</cite>
Oh look another thread bashing the current in power political party.
Sure the bashers above could do a better job, baffles me why the above arnt MPs. Of course I expect another similar thread when Labour get back into power.
Myself and my partner have spent our entire working lives doing our best for the old the sick and the poor. don't you insult me.
We have seen first hand the people forced into poverty and ill health by these inhumane vermin. We have seen the damage the tories do and have done our best in little ways to alleviate it - all for wages that to many of you are poverty level
To shamefully misquote Verbal from The Usual Suspects;
”the greatest trick the Tories ever pulled was to convince the world that they weren’t entirely selfish nasty bastards.”
A few weeks ago I went to see The League of Gentlemen* at the Liverpool Echo arena and they did a scene in the local shop where a woman ( Mark Gatiss ) said to Tubs. "Hello. I'm your local Conservative representative"
Sticking two fingers up at her, Tubs shouted "**** OFF"
The whole arena went mad cheering. 😂
*You really should go if you get the chance. It's bloody superb.
Another hater here, from another area destroyed by that ****ing woman and her ****ing friends.
Never forgive, never forget.
I should have pointed out that I left the UK in 1970 and didn’t return until 2004, so I was in a different bubble, an Australian one.
Well that explains it.
I was stunned he thought the Tories have done their best for people like him and more importantly they have punished them **** lay-a-bout scroungers down the road!
But thats exactly the strategy...always scapegoat some poor tossers with no power so the angry will direct their fire at the wrong target.
Jews, immigrants, foreigners, gypsies, skivers, layabouts, ****less chavs. single mums, poles, romainians, benefit scroungers.......it doesnt matter who - as long as they have no power or representation - these are the source of your problems...not the landowners, not the 1%, not the billionaires who pay no tax they are on the side of hard working people like you - not laughing behind your back.
I'm all in here.
Will be postering my house up with Corbyn stickers come the G.E, if it ever happens.
What part of your soul must be missing to contemplate even supporting, let alone voting for, the utterly inhumane vermin that is a Tory? I can only conclude that you must have a form of mental illness. It’s the only explanation.
It's people who have got stuff that don't want it to be in the hands of people who haven't got stuff.
Funny because a lot of them claim to be Christians, and how they reconcile Conservatism and Christiany - is one of the mysteries of space and time
They need to read The Spirit Level.
Helpful if you and your billionaire tax-dodging mates own pretty much the entire countries media.
Divide and conquer
There are still plenty of us who’s memory is still raw about what they did....
Have you ever stood there as a powerless spectator and seen how quick heroin takes hold in a community cut adrift by a government who couldn’t care less, and where the hopelessness of mass unemployment and zero prospects is all pervasive?
i believe that bitch referred to it as ‘managed decline’. There was nothing managed about it from what I could see, believe me.,Looked to me more like ‘left to rot’.
Like RS said .. never forgive, never forget!
Watching May banging on about ‘Opportunities for all’ while simultaneously *ing us has led to me inventing new swear words
i *ing despise them!
As much as I hate the Tories, the thought of a Corbyn/Momentum government is more worrisome. I'm sure i'd be better off for 5 to 10 years, but how would our children and grandchildren pay for the excess spending?.
Money doesn't grow on trees, and whilst many of Jeremy's promises are fantastic, they are undeliverable long term.
His constant admiration and political will to follow what Hugo Chavez did in Venezuela, the subsequent outcome of those actions, and still to this day, not admit the socialist reforms undertaken were misguided.
We need a new, modern, forward thinking political party in this Country. Who knows? it may happen.
His constant admiration and political will to follow what Hugo Chavez did in Venezuela, the subsequent outcome of those actions, and still to this day, not admit the socialist reforms undertaken were misguided.
Venezuela is not really running a pure socialist economy. There is a large private element to it and the ups and downs (which are blamed on Socialism and constantly repeated) are a product of its success or failure of the oil market, as well as being currupt and badly managed. It did do well for a long time though.
It hasn't failed because of ideology.
Corbyn/Momentum government is more worrisome. I’m sure i’d be better off for 5 to 10 years, but how would our children and grandchildren pay for the excess spending?.
One answer would be growth in the economy.
Second answer would be how are we paying for it now as we spiral downwards?
Third answer would be: Tories track record on having budget surpluses are pretty dismal. In fact Labour have sat on more surpluses over the last few decades. So spending out of control is not necessarily a Labour issue.
But again often repeated.
They seem fine to me. But fortunately I'm not northern nor have a victim complex.
Boiled down to its most basic ingredients . . .
The Tory party are the Mill Owners who live in the big house with the servants, and the rest of us are "In Service".
Where we used to walk we may have our own cars (which we pay dearly for) and our own smart phones (which the Mill Owners use against us without most of us even realising) and "own our own houses" (which we pay dearly for) . . . and we may not all work in the pits or the mills, but whether it's in front of a loom, or in a call center or in front of a monitor all day long, at a basic level it's all just the same.
How will Labour pay for its programme? Perhaps fair taxation similar to the rest of europe? We are low tax low earnings low regulation economy.
The OP does have a point tho - pre 80S there was a paternalistic streak in the tories " we will look after the little people" that seems to have gone but the utter shits " its our money and poor can't have any" have pretty much obliterated the paternalistic ones
They seem fine to me. But fortunately I’m [s]not northern nor have a victim complex.[/s] alright Jack.
FTFY.
The Tories won’t leave the countries finances better off, that’s not what they do! They’ve always been about not helping those who need help, and helping those who least need it, utter ****s.
Ive worked with many people on low incomes who support them. And guess what, they’ve not helped them, they’re still on low incomes no better off. But then, they all read the Mail or Express with their lunch AND think of them as good newspapers. Which is basically why we’re ****ed and will remain ****ed.
I did read the OP and thought Epic should have qualified his era for childhood. Lots of 70s/80s kids on here.
Meanwhile down here in the South East.... 😉
And yet bizarrely, enough turkeys voted for Xmas last year, somehow Royston kept his seat here by 31 votes!
Money doesn’t grow on trees, and whilst many of Jeremy’s promises are fantastic, they are undeliverable long term.
But it does, the current shower shook the tree for £1bn for the gangsters in Ulster to remain in power despite there being no more money for NHS nor the local authorities.
They also forget the quantitative easing program.
To be even handed I don't trust politicians of any persuasion. But last week I walked out of a school function when our MP turned up. The school has 30-40% of the kids living in the bottom 10% on poverty metrics. And this Tory tosspot turns up for photos. When all of his voting is decreasing the help these kids might get.
**** *
piemonster
...I did read the OP and thought Epic should have qualified his era for childhood. Lots of 70s/80s kids on here.
Yup, born before the NHS. 🙂
Further reflection. When I was young most of the Tory MPs would have been people who had served in the trenches in WW1 or WW2 or Korea at some point, many with good records.
They would have been in closer contact with and dependent for their lives on the sort of people our current Tories regard as subhuman. They would have been more likely to see us as humans.
Meanwhile down here in the South East…
Meanwhile down in the South East.......what?
Further reflection. When I was young most of the Tory MPs would have been people who had served in the trenches in WW1 or WW2 or Korea at some point, many with good records.
They would have been in closer contact with and dependent for their lives on the sort of people our current Tories regard as subhuman. They would have been more likely to see us as humans.
Most as officers. Major skill, at least in the part of WW2 where my father fought, getting other people killed. They were probably better at sounding human, but they still produced that woman and the insane Joseph.
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">Why haven't the people revolted, mainly because they're spineless hand wringers </span>
Given that fiat money is printed on paper at the whim of the govt, it's more accurate to say that money does quite literally grow on trees when they want it to.
Anyone who is surprised at the tories hasn't been paying attention.
Most as officers. Major skill, at least in the part of WW2 where my father fought, getting other people killed.
Not sticking up for the Tory ****ers but you do know that in WW2 Officers were a lot more likely to be killed than the lower ranks?
How will Labour pay for its programme? Perhaps fair taxation similar to the rest of europe? We are low tax low earnings low regulation economy.
Yes at some point we have to accept who has to pay for a decent level of service. Of course the ability to pay higher taxes implies an improvement in pay, particularly sorting out the "gig" economy.
Thinking about Binner's comment re. Thatcher being appalled by this current bunch, I reckon he's right and I'm reminded of a quote by Walter Sobchak in "The Big Lebowski" commenting on nihilism -" Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos".
Thatcher had a plan whether you liked it or not (I too am a child of the coalfields so I don't need to expand on my opinion) whereas this lot are the nihilists. They have no idea. Their pig ****ing posh boy led the country down a path to ruin purely out of party interest.
I find it somewhat disheartening that people will describe other people as vermin, or sub-human.
It's exactly the sort of thing the right wing press are (rightly) vilified for when talking about refugees, immigrants etc.
I don't think it does your argument any favours either.
I’m not puzzled by it.
I am puzzled why the people vote for it.
I find it somewhat disheartening that people will describe other people as vermin, or sub-human.
It’s exactly the sort of thing the right wing press are (rightly) vilified for when talking about refugees, immigrants etc.
I don’t think it does your argument any favours either.
I was going to post this bit couldn't be arsed with an argument. The pissing on graves bit etc is distasteful and actually is a poor reflection of the author IMO.
Meanwhile down in the South East…….what?
A comedic quip intended to draw a pun on the stereo typical north/south divide.
As a child of the seventies who grew up with parents working 4 jobs between them and massive interest rests, second hand clothes etc and leaving school with 5 grade C GCSE's, its a bit of of hard work that now has me in a fortunate place for my family and my own life. I appreciate I'm fortunate not to have had relatives miners strikes and with industry ripped away in my region, but some people could actually do far better by moving thier energy away from continual gripes and bitterness of the past into building a more successful future for yourselves.
Sadly, you'd all rather moan on the internet that do that.
I find it somewhat disheartening that people will describe other people as vermin, or sub-human.
Me too, but in this case the reason for doing so is at least understandable.
but some people could actually do far better by moving thier energy away from continual gripes and bitterness of the past into building a more successful future for yourselves.
Some of us are capable of both.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
I find it somewhat disheartening that people will describe other people as vermin, or sub-human.
its a reaction.
It comes from the fact that thats how they treated large swathes of the population. Like vermin.
My issue with Thatcher and the Tories wasn't what they did - I understand that the economy had to change and modernise - it was the manner in which it was done. It was a totally hate-filled and malicious piece of social and cultural vandalism. It as class war personified. It was vengeance on the working classes for the miners bringing down the last Tory administration. It was collective punishment dropped on millions of people who had done nothing whatsoever to deserve it
You can't just systematically close all the major employers in loads of areas, putting millions out of work - all areas safely a good distance away from you and your wealthy friends, I might add - and do absolutely nothing to mitigate the fallout from that. Thats what they did. Then when those areas rebelled, they militarised the police to quell any rebellion in the most violent manner imaginable. Then at times appear to be actively enjoying the spectacle.
if you question the language being used about them, then to add to Slowoldman's Big Lebowski Quotes 'you weren't there, man'
Respect is a reciprocal thing that needs to be earned. And the very smallest consideration is that you exhibit the most base elements of humanity. And if they're incapable of rising to that very low bar, then I'll call them what I *ing like. They deserve it! The *s!!!
Money doesn’t grow on trees,
How do you think money is created?
but some people could actually do far better by moving thier energy away from continual gripes and bitterness of the past into building a more successful future for yourselves.
Sadly, you’d all rather moan on the internet that do that.
My future is fine thanks. Unfortunately I can't say that about the people who have been raped by years of tory governments. I guess those people should just try harder...
As a child of the seventies who grew up with parents working 4 jobs between them and massive interest rests, second hand clothes etc and leaving school with 5 grade C GCSE’s, its a bit of of hard work that now has me in a fortunate place for my family and my own life. I appreciate I’m fortunate not to have had relatives miners strikes and with industry ripped away in my region, but some people could actually do far better by moving thier energy away from continual gripes and bitterness of the past into building a more successful future for yourselves.
Sadly, you’d all rather moan on the internet that do that.
You mean like the Brexiters did by voting for Brexit? I suppose they voted out of love, peace and harmony etc?
Having said that, the working classes have constantly brought this on themselves by allowing themselves to be ****ed over by Tories and then blaming immigrants for it.
Helpful if you and your billionaire tax-dodging mates own pretty much the entire countries media.
One once again - this is a key point.
Th ownership of our press by a small ultra right wing clique is a huge stain on our society and once you understand this it becomes clearer how they control the population
Two lessons from history
"Bread and circuses"
" the big lie"
I know I know - Godwins law!
The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous
Joseph Goebbels 1941 commenting on Churchill.
Given that fiat money is printed on paper at the whim of the govt, it’s more accurate to say that money does quite literally grow on trees when they want it to.
This can't be overstated enough in a serious sense of printing for infrastructure.
I have nothing more to add and applaud all the comments so far
TJ wins the thread, had no idea that Goebells said that.
Th ownership of our press by a small ultra right wing clique
The Guardian, The Independent, The Observer, The Financial Times, The Times, The i, The Morning Star & the Mirror.